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    #20048754 - 05/27/14 10:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This is part of my series "The Basics"

Credit goes to PussyFart, aka NotaHacker420, for introducing me to the idea of not bothering with pre-cooking WBS. I do not cook, simmer, or boil WBS in any kind of way before it goes in to jars to be sterilized and I do not use WBS with cracked corn.

There are some key points to prepping WBS.

--We want the grains to have enough moisture without being too wet. One of the most common mistakes people make is making them too wet. This can lead to slow colonization and result in bacteria taking over. Too wet can also make it sticky so it's harder to shake later.

--We want our grain jars to be shakable once colonized. The right moisture content and some room at the top of the jar helps make them shakeable.

--Pressure cooking is essential.


Here's what I do:

1) Measure out WBS.
    I use 1/2 quart dry WBS for every myco-quart I plan to sterilize.

2) Rinse and Remove Floaters
    I put the dry ingredients in a big pot and fill with water. My WBS seems pretty dirty and it takes several rinses to get it clean, but the water should be clear when done.
    I remove the sunflower seeds. Some people don't, but I do. It's easy because they float. I find it easier to remove them than to leave them in. I end up having to skim the water anyway to remove all the garbage in there and the sunflower seeds get removed right along with it.

Dry WBS

Filling and stirring

Floaters

Scooping out the floaters and sunflower seeds

After removing floaters and sunflower seeds

After 5 rinses I put in my soak water

About 1/3 qt of floaters

4) Soak
    After rinsing, cover with hot tap water. I let the water get good and hot and fill the pot to about 3 inches above the WBS. Then, I sprinkle about 3tbls of gypsum on it. Don't mix it in because the gypsum will just settle to the bottom. I let soak 12-24 hours.

5) Drain
    After the soak, I pour in to a colander to drain. I don't rinse it again; it just drains. I shake it up a few times, but that's about it. It doesn't matter really how long you let it drain; almost all the water that will drain off does so in the first 10-15 minutes.


At this point, some of you some may be confused. It's been drilled in to your head to boil/simmer/cook your grains so they steam evaporate, the grain absorbs more water, and whatever other logic. This is not Rye Berries. Cooking is not needed. This is a fact.

6) Load in to jars
    After draining load in to jars. The WBS appears wetter than you are used to. That's okay. The extra moisture will be soaked up during sterilizing and then cooling.


7) Put On Lids

8) Pressure Cook/Sterilize

9) Shake
    After PCing, let the PC cool. Wait till the PC is just warm to the touch. Remove the warm jars shake them to redistribute the moisture. You will notice the WBS is wetter at the bottom. As they cool, the shake allows the moisture to be soaked up by the cooling grains. You can shake them while they are still hot, but the hotter jars are more susceptible to breaking if you accidentally bang them.

Also, if using plastic lids, plastic cools at a different rate than glass and if you take them out while still too hot, the lids can get warped and don't tighten right.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20048774 - 05/27/14 10:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be honest and say I'm a rookie mycologist, but i was under the impression that the cooking before sterilization is for getting rid of endospores. Am I way off here? please correct me if so... either way I will be trying this out. thanks for the tek :thumbup:


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: GhettoShroom] * 4
    #20048796 - 05/27/14 10:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Boiling/simmering does not get rid of endospores, that's what pressure cooking is for. There are many people who do the simmer/boil for their reasons. I don't not subscribe to the cooking


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20048816 - 05/27/14 10:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I believe people that boil/simmer before PCing are doing so in order to achieve what they consider to be ideal moisture content.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20048857 - 05/27/14 10:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey jedi today was the TEK day for you! :raisemyglass:


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20048881 - 05/27/14 10:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Boiling/simmering does not get rid of endospores, that's what pressure cooking is for. There are many people who do the simmer/boil for their reasons. I don't not subscribe to the cooking




Good to know, thanks!


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: GhettoShroom] * 1
    #20048911 - 05/27/14 11:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The few times I did WBS I never simmered either or else I ended up with an exploded mess. Good writeup :super:


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: Pastywhyte] * 2
    #20049057 - 05/27/14 11:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i go back an forth when I use WBS, which is rare, i still dunno if i like the simmer or no simmer more.  i just stick to rye.  WBS bit me in the ass as a noob, and ill never forgive it :lol:


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: blindingleaf] * 1
    #20049380 - 05/28/14 01:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:fonz:


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #20079968 - 06/03/14 09:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thx for the support guys. Ya'll is awesome


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20256345 - 07/11/14 04:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just wanted to say I thought your pictures were beautiful, especially the one with clear soaking water.

:Awemazing:

Sweet.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: elasticaltiger] * 2
    #20256398 - 07/11/14 05:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Leave the sunflowers in! They provide lignans, fats and other nutrients that the other seeds don't have. I actually don't strain any of my floaters at all. I'll have random pieces of bark and beetles in my grain jars, and it all gets colonized all the same. I hate being wasteful.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: TheEaglesGift] * 1
    #20256406 - 07/11/14 05:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you certainly can leave floaters but most find they dont hold water worth a shit


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #20256417 - 07/11/14 05:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I only take out floaters because they 'float'

It's like... am I going to go to the trouble of keeping the floaters in while I rinse my grains multiple times or am I just going to let them go?

Plus during my 3 - 6 rinses sticks and twigs pop up amongst the floaters and those bitches need to go yo.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: elasticaltiger] * 1
    #20256440 - 07/11/14 05:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I guess I'm just not as ANAL as you guys.

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    #20256626 - 07/11/14 07:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I find the best way is to drain, heat up some water seperately and quickly cover the grains with it and drain imedietly.  This way you dont cook the grains and you still get maximum steam off which leaves the grains dry on the outside. 

By the way OP, this is why we do this stage.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: Edmunter] * 2
    #20256849 - 07/11/14 09:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Leave the sunflowers in!




Make me. I haven't seen any use for them. I remove them.


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...and you still get maximum steam off which leaves the grains dry on the outside. 

By the way OP, this is why we do this stage.




I'm very aware of steam evaporation and why it's done; this isn't my first day at the job. It isn't necessary with WBS. Maybe it is if the sunflower seeds are left in, but I wouldn't know.

My method works great and others will agree. This IS the way I do WBS.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20256857 - 07/11/14 09:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Leave the sunflowers in!




Make me. I haven't seen any use for them. I remove them.



They make great spawn.

Lol just sayin. They will not hurt a thing.


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: PussyFart] * 1
    #20256868 - 07/11/14 09:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just followed your rye grain prep, I have a bunch of WBS I could use, but I'm wondering is there much difference between using rye and WBS in this game?


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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: PussyFart] * 1
    #20256881 - 07/11/14 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

PF, I'm sure you're right. But, it's a personal preference.

cr0sis, both work well. I actually prefer rye. WBS seems to colonize a tub slightly faster and is cheaper. But, I haven't seen any difference in final results.

WBS vs Rye Berries


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