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First grow COMPLETE! Now onto MONOTUB (need some advice!!)
    #20035646 - 05/24/14 05:49 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys, first time poster, been reading for a few months now,

I check this cultivation board everyday for hints and tips, and to observe what and what not to do when cultivating.

I am using the PF Tek w/ BRF Cakes as my first go, as it was the one that appealed to a beginner the most. I got a few spore prints, and decided to go ahead with a GT print into a spore syringe, and inoculate 12 1/2 pint jars.

I used the correct mixture, and it colonized perfectly! Took about 3 weeks to fully colonize, and then I left it for an additional week for consolidation as advised by the Tek guide :smile:

I proceeded to dunk them for 24 hours, then roll them in verm, andplace them in my SGFC. I have drilled many holes in a grid-like fashion with a 6mm drill bit (1/4" for you guys), and put about 4cm of hydrated perlite in the bottom, and the cakes on top of that with jar lids as a barrier.

My humidity is constantly around 93-94%, and a temp is a stable 22 degC, fluctuating +/- 2 degC for day/night. It is sitting in my room as pictured, so it gets a 12/12 cycle as per our normal daylight/night hours.

I mist twice a day (this is where my concerns come from), and fan 3 times a day. Up until yesterday, I was misting the shit outta them. Pretty heavy handed I must admit. And then I started to notice a bit of fluffy stuff growing through the verm, and it looks to me like it could be aerial mycelium. Now I am no expert, hence coming here for advice. I also do not know what knotting looks like, and because I haven't seen a pin before, I don't think I will be able to identify it until the mushroom actually starts to grow!

They have been in the chamber for 6 days now.

The pictures are below!

PC'ing/inoculating:




Mycelium!




Fully colonised/consolidated:




Dunking for 24 hours:




How they have been sitting for a week @ 22 degC/93% humidity:




How they look:




Up close. Too much misting??




And the others:





Advice on how to proceed? Stop misting so much? Mist more? Fan more? Fan less?

Am I hyping myself up over things that aren't actually wrong, and I should just chill the fuck out and wait for stuff to happen?

Thanks guys!

Edited by deeunit (07/10/14 08:29 PM)

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20035681 - 05/24/14 05:55 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I think they look fine buddy!


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20035839 - 05/24/14 06:32 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

that SGFC will work much better if its out of that corner tucked away.  u want it exposed to ambient air on all sides, including the bottom, so elevating it with something like a milk crate or 4 jars is good.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20035917 - 05/24/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Your perlite layer is a little thin, which means it'll be prone to drying out.  That's not a huge problem.  It just means you're going to have to keep sticking your finger in it and checking it, and also hose it down in the shower a few more times when it gets dry.

You used the wrong jars, but you got away with it.  Good on you.  :thumbup:

Those cakes look nice and healthy, and you should continue treating them just as you are.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20035947 - 05/24/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I can't tell for sure but it looks like you don't have holes at your perlite level or on the lid, is this the case?

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20035971 - 05/24/14 07:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't tell for sure but it looks like you don't have holes at your perlite level or on the lid, is this the case?




Hey,

Thanks for the replies so far! I have elevated the SGFC so it is now not sitting below the level of the surrounding area, now it is well above, so should give better air flow.

Yeah, I don't have holes below the perlite level (main reason is because I don't want to run an additional tray under the SGFC, ease of use purposes), and I also don't have holes in the lid. Should I drill holes in the lid?

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20035988 - 05/24/14 07:32 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, and also below the level of the perlite.  It's imperative that every surface be covered with holes.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20035991 - 05/24/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Yea and he holes at the perlite level are probably the most important, well they all are but it allows air to be drawn up through it thereby humidifying the chamber. Once you drain your perlite it doesn't drip and doesn't really fall out through the holes especially wth course perlite. Or use a window screen on the bottom inside

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20036014 - 05/24/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Cool, I've gone ahead and drilled the holes in the lid, will have to look at doing the holes at the bottom once the first flush (hopefully!) is successful!

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20036034 - 05/24/14 07:47 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

The first flush isn't going to happen unless you get holes in the bottom of that FC.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20036066 - 05/24/14 07:54 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

You really need to drill the holes in the bottom as soon as possible. I was concerned too about perlite falling out, but very little, if any does.

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20036091 - 05/24/14 07:59 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Alrighty, so I've gone ahead and drilled 14 more holes on the bottom, and as many on the top. Also, continued the grid pattern down all 4 sides to go below the level of the perlite, not stop at the level of the perlite like it did previously.

Thanks for all the advice team!

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20036102 - 05/24/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Excellent!  With those holes in the bottom, air will be free to circulate up through the wet perlite, bringing FAE as well as moist air up to surround your cakes.  That's what you need to trigger pinning.  :thumbup:


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20039051 - 05/25/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Sweet, so after making the holes in the bottom and the top, the humidity is the highest its been @ 98%, and things are looking up!

Ill keep ya'll posted when exciting things start to happen :smile:

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20039163 - 05/25/14 04:09 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

nice!! proof positive the mechanics behind the SGFC work well!  you will end up using it a lot in the future too for small bulk trays and isolate/clone testing small cakes or bulk substrates


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20039631 - 05/25/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:  If you get into monotubs you'll be tempted to toss it, but don't!  It'll come back in handy if you decide to pick up exotics.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20081552 - 06/04/14 03:50 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Alrighty guys, an update!

So about 5 days a go I saw the first pins! It was crazy, I wasn't even looking for them, just staring at the cakes, and saw some odd coloured bits of verm, which turned out to be pins breaking through the surface!

And as the pictures that follow will show, a fair few decided to come on through! Being my first grow, I'm pretty fricken happy with how everything has turned out so far.

Totally going to give tubs a go next!









Regarding the second to last pic, the two most prevailing mushrooms seem to be heading down towards the perlite. I would have thought that they would head up (towards light, oxygen etc). Should I be concerned about this? Or should I leave them be?

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20086295 - 06/04/14 11:25 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

bump regarding the question!

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20086313 - 06/04/14 11:29 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry I missed the question there.  No, do not be concerned, and do not try to point them in any direction other than the one they want to point in.

It's very possible they get a little perlite embedded in their caps.  Let them dig their faces into it as much as they want--you can just rub it off at harvest time without any problems.  The cakes do look a bit too moist, though.  I'd let them dry out completely before misting again.

That one cluster is pretty gorgeous, by the way.  :super:


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20086382 - 06/04/14 11:46 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid: hell of a job man:congrats:(now lets do some grains and agar noob:awelol:)


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20086409 - 06/04/14 11:52 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Sorry I missed the question there.  No, do not be concerned, and do not try to point them in any direction other than the one they want to point in.

It's very possible they get a little perlite embedded in their caps.  Let them dig their faces into it as much as they want--you can just rub it off at harvest time without any problems.  The cakes do look a bit too moist, though.  I'd let them dry out completely before misting again.

That one cluster is pretty gorgeous, by the way.  :super:




Sweet! I'll let the moisture on the top of the cakes sorta dissipate to stop any bacteria. And I'll let the mushrooms do their thing :smile:

I'll post more progress pics as they start to blossom!

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20086496 - 06/05/14 12:23 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

We always love more pics.

But don't worry about bacteria--that's not why you want the cakes to dry out.  It's actually that they tend to pin better when the moisture fluctuates between very moist and dry at the surface.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20086566 - 06/05/14 01:11 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

those are sum of the best tall pints iv ever seen great job at that you made your own syringe?? nice work man. :thumbup:

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: ZEPH]
    #20086648 - 06/05/14 02:26 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)



Doing awesome, read up on agar work so you can get some isolates from your favorite cubes!  Looks like you really did your homework, congrats..

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    #20090881 - 06/06/14 12:35 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys, really appreciate the feedback :smile:.

Another question tho.

The picture below shows that cluster, and the veils are starting to break on a majority of them.

At what point do I do a print? Or should I wait for the 3 big ones in the bottom pic? As they look like they will be the biggest and healthiest of this yield.

Thanks ones again! I will defintely look at agar in the next week :smile:



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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20090939 - 06/06/14 12:50 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

damn dood, why not just post pics to the shroomery?  i had flash backs of geocities

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    #20090961 - 06/06/14 12:58 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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damn dood, why not just post pics to the shroomery?  i had flash backs of geocities





Sorry for the ignorance, but what do you mean post pics to shroomery?

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Testertips]
    #20090970 - 06/06/14 12:59 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

stop misting now if your gonna take prints, i wait till i see some spores and go for it or if i'm trying to be real clean just before the veil tares but i like to see some spores


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20090977 - 06/06/14 01:00 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

sorry man, kidna drunk but your pics took hella long to download... wondering if you posted to another site instead of uploading to the this one.

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    #20090996 - 06/06/14 01:04 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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stop misting now if your gonna take prints, i wait till i see some spores and go for it or if i'm trying to be real clean just before the veil tares but i like to see some spores





what strain?

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    #20091007 - 06/06/14 01:07 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Hahah all good man, nah uploaded them to a third part site so shouldn't take too long!

Alright I won't mist until tomorrow arvo and see if they flatten out.

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    #20091013 - 06/06/14 01:10 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

that one was a weird one all together lol, was supposed to be an AA+ grow but when loading my last syringe i grabbed a cambo syringe and blasted it in my aa+ water by accident

indeed i did get a bit of both but as you can see for some reason i got a mix of black and purple spores:crazy: my stoner life in a nutshell lol


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20091017 - 06/06/14 01:12 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Hahah all good man, nah uploaded them to a third part site so shouldn't take too long!

Alright I won't mist until tomorrow arvo and see if they flatten out.




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    #20091020 - 06/06/14 01:13 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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that one was a weird one all together lol, was supposed to be an AA+ grow but when loading my last syringe i grabbed a cambo syringe and blasted it in my aa+ water by accident

indeed i did get a bit of both but as you can see for some reason i got a mix of black and purple spores:crazy: my stoner life in a nutshell lol




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    #20091026 - 06/06/14 01:15 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

no not yet probably tommorow :thumbup:


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    #20091046 - 06/06/14 01:23 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Testertips]
    #20103456 - 06/09/14 03:16 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Alright guys!

Harvested from two cakes, 110g wet of fruit! So I am super stoked with that, cause I have another 4 cakes to harvest from this first flush!

I dried them over night (around 10-12 hours) in the dehydrator, and they were cracker dry (snapped with no force at all) at the end of it. I put them inside of a zip lock bag with as much air out as I could get, and then inside of an airtight jar with some desiccant at the bottom!

However today I opened them up (couple days later) to see how they were, and they were a bit soft (softer than before, can bend now!) however there was no nasty smells, just mushroom smell!

Is this bad? Or is this ok? I plan on consuming them in the next fortnight :smile:

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20107462 - 06/09/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I'd put them in the dehydrator again.  Probably the caps weren't completely dry.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20107768 - 06/09/14 11:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

looks so good! :smile: How long did it take for you to see your pins? I already got EVERY ONE of my jars pinning invitro, so i dunked em all and they were put in the sgfc 2 days ago! I am doing golden teacher, so excited :grin: , cant wait to try tubs later.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: mushman15]
    #20107850 - 06/10/14 12:01 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I'll whack them in the dehydrator again!

How long is too long? Will I cook the goodness out of them? Or is it pretty fool proof?

It took 9 days to see pins, and another week to harvest. Just dunked and rolled for the second flush, so it'll be interesting to see how they go!

All in all I got around 400g wet from 6 cakes, so for my first attempt I am well stoked!

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    #20107884 - 06/10/14 12:19 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

It's pretty foolproof, and no, you won't wreck 'em.  :smile:


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Psilicon]
    #20138109 - 06/16/14 04:26 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Alright, so the cakes are back into there SGFC and pins are back, so the second flush is under way!

First flush bought in 35g cracker dry, and is currently being stored in zip lock bags, airtight, with desiccant in tea bags :smile:

However I am now keen to give mini-mono/mono tubs a go. I've got a few questions however.

1. What to use as spawn.
Should I continue to use BRF cakes, and crumble them into Damions Coir Tek?
Should I give Rye berries a go? Or WBS? (WBS looks like a fair bit of effort drying it out on a counter top etc)

2. Substrate?
I am pretty keen to go with Damions 50/50 Coir + Verm Tek. Looks simple, straight forward, and easy to do. Should I add any gypsum/coffee grounds to it as well?

3. Chamber?
Now, here is where I get a bit confused. Can I put the substrate+spawn in a tray, sit it on perlite, and put it in my current SGFC?

Is a mini-mono, and a mono, essentially the same thing, just differing sizes? (Sounded like a silly question, most likely it is)

With the tubs, I put the substrate+spawn into the tub on top of a black rubbish bag, with the appropriate holes drilled (two just above mixture, two close to top), with duct tape over, put inside of a black rubbish bag, and left to fully colonize.

Then, introducing to fruiting conditions is where I remove the duct tape, and fill the holes with polyfill, and allow the tub access to a 12/12 light source? Misting/fanning seldom (or when I notice the cake getting too dry/or moisture forming on the surface).

Does this sound about right guys?

If so, I might just give the mono tub option a go (Using 27qt or a 40qt tub).

One last question, where abouts is a substrate+spawn calculator? I am pretty keen to get everything right the first time, similar to the cakes!

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20138527 - 06/16/14 08:40 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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1. What to use as spawn.
Should I continue to use BRF cakes, and crumble them into Damions Coir Tek?
Should I give Rye berries a go? Or WBS? (WBS looks like a fair bit of effort drying it out on a counter top etc)



if u have a PC, use grains, it will take a lot of cakes to do that.

substrate: yes, coir, verm, gypsum, coffee is ur call, but can be risky contam wise, so i would not include it ur first few rounds

chamber:  any of those

u have the idea of the tub it seems.  no difference except size for mono/minimono.  i use 27 qt ones and 66 qt ones.  66qt need at least 4 qts spawn for best results, 27qt only needs one really, but two helps.


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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20255142 - 07/10/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well guys, long time no post!

My most recent grow has consisted of a monotub!

The cakes burnt out after their second flush, it was pretty average, so I buried the cakes in my garden!

I proceeded to go with Damons5050 Coir Tek, with around 1:3 ratio (I had left over cakes I crumbled into the substrate).

It's been colonizing for 2 weeks now, and I wanna get some opinions on:

-How long is left for the colonization,
-How I should go about putting it into fruiting conditions.

I don't have polyfil, I have some make-up remover pads that are made up of the same thing roughly, and I'll either break them up and stuff the holes with that, or just tape them over the holes.

I then plan on misting/fanning the tub a few times a day (I assume this is right?)

Any feedback would be great!





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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20255945 - 07/10/14 11:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Colonizing for 2 weeks?  That's a very long time brother, something sounds fishy here.. I hope you don't have a contamination.  It's hard to tell whats going on in that picture though.. It's a bit fuzzy.. as far as stuffing your holes.. w..t..f.. just get some polyfil.  If you're in the USA just go to walmart, it's cheap and well worth the money.  Taping those make up pads sounds super sketch.

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: Dilated]
    #20256021 - 07/10/14 11:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Haha I'm in NZ, we don't even have something called polyfil over here.

Make up pads however are of similar texture, but i'll try suss some polyfil or at least micropore tape.

The ratio between spawn and substrate was quite low, i think it was 4 half pint jars to what you see there. I am hoping that is the main contributing factor to why its taking a while to colonize; there wasnt much spawn to begin with.

Also, it still smells mushroomy in there, and there is no cobweb mold; rhizomorphic strands can be seen up in there as well.

I'll leave it for a couple more days, I am hoping it was my original ratio thats contributing to this slow process.

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Re: First grow, few concerns, need reassurance/advice :) [Re: deeunit]
    #20256039 - 07/10/14 11:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Oh ok well I guess that clarifies things a bit.  Polyfil is in alot of things as well.  Maybe you have an old pillow :wink:

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