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Pinheads aren't growing anymore
    #20031982 - 05/23/14 08:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They have been this size for 6+ days now, and haven't grown since. Defective? :confused:


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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20032039 - 05/23/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Taking a wild guess and saying the strain / variety is KSSS. They look like blob mutants. :sunny:

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: fatchillin]
    #20032079 - 05/23/14 08:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nope I innoc'd them with orissa india. They have been in there for over 2 weeks, I just redunked them again and still haven't seen the pins take off. I have 3 more jars I want to crack the lid on but don't want the cakes to stall out like these are doing. Any ideas?

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20032097 - 05/23/14 08:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

they are mutants, look up KSSS mutants, the indian varieties have a tendency to throw the short squat mutant phenotype. at least what I've seen, that's the common occurrence.

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20032105 - 05/23/14 08:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Are those double-stacked cakes?

Seems like a lot of pins for small(what I'm guessing are 1/2 pint) cakes. Might have spread itself too thin and gave up. I would remove the pins that have been there, keep misting/fanning, and see what happens by the end of another week.

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: avorg]
    #20032127 - 05/23/14 08:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I only recently double stacked them after dunking them last night. I placed a little bit of verm around the edge at the bottom to prevent pooling. One chamber is easier to mist and fan rather than two lol
And sounds good, I'll take a little snack tonight :thumbup:

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20032166 - 05/23/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Not aborted yet.  Maybe a water issue.  Put them on a plate of water for 12-24 hours and let them absorb it.  MAY take off.


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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: 2bittoker]
    #20032356 - 05/23/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

This is just a guess but the might be using their energy to "fuse" together since you stacked them

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20033694 - 05/24/14 08:16 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I've only double stacked them not too long ago, they have been that size for 5 days, and another 2 after being double stacked. I figured submerging them in water would have surely made the pinheads shoot up.i picked a couple of the pinheads off that were easy to pluck.

I feel like the mycelium would have no problem giving energy to fusing them, allowing for more network water travel, anddd to giving those pinheads some juice. I just feel duped, seeing all of these other fantastic first time grows and mine has gone nowhere :confused:

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20033702 - 05/24/14 08:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They have enough energy to fuse it just seems like bad timing to me, I'm sure they're putting all their energy into fusing now and the pins will just be sitting waiting even more. This is straight speculation on my part mind you, just what it seems to me is going on

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20033720 - 05/24/14 08:37 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I've just never come across such odd performing shrooms, this is my 3rd grow though so I don't have much experience lol.
Thanks for the input Md, I guess I'll just wait and see what they do :s I'm going to be birthing my other 3 jars in 3 days

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20033725 - 05/24/14 08:40 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You say it could be a water issue and I've been using spring water, could that be a problem?

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20033742 - 05/24/14 08:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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You say it could be a water issue and I've been using spring water, could that be a problem?



Not a water issue in the type of water you are using.  Sometimes cake bite off more than they can chew push out more pins than they can support.  Sometimes they'll choose a few to grow and abandon a few, which you see as those really small mushrooms that dont really produce any spores.  Sometimes they'll delay the growth off all of them.  If they're delayed too long, they'll abort.

Just get a plate/sauce of some kind an put water in it and put the cakes on the water. Edit: for 4-12 hours, I believe.  They'll absorb what they need to finish the flush, if it is a water issue.


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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: 2bittoker]
    #20033747 - 05/24/14 08:49 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

That cake in my sig is a good example.  That large mush came in at the same time as that pin, but the cake abandoned the pin to focus its energy into that one mushroom.


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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: 2bittoker]
    #20033760 - 05/24/14 08:56 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They had standing pools on the edges of the cakes at the bottom where I have them placed on lids. So I added some verm around the edges to collect the water. So placing them back into some standing water would be okay? I've heard water chilling like that isn't good for the cakes. I've moved the cakes around a couple times already so just want to be positive about shifting them.

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20033773 - 05/24/14 09:02 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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They had standing pools on the edges of the cakes at the bottom where I have them placed on lids. So I added some verm around the edges to collect the water. So placing them back into some standing water would be okay? I've heard water chilling like that isn't good for the cakes. I've moved the cakes around a couple times already so just want to be positive about shifting them.



I pick up cakes mid flush.  Look at my grow log.  Moving them isnt like moving a plant. 

Take it from the master himself:
You can slowly inject water, but it will still take 24 hours or so for the the injected water to make its way into the individual cells.  I'd suggest placing the fruiting cake into a saucer of water overnight if it starts to dry out.
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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: 2bittoker]
    #20033788 - 05/24/14 09:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Okay sounds good, I'll try that tonight after I get off work and see if it helps overnight. 'Preciate your thoughts :thumbup:

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20037715 - 05/25/14 08:43 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So no extra growth from any of the pinheads. Invitro pinning has occurred on one of the cakes, the pins have been there for at least 2 days when I first notice them. They look to show similar traits like my cakes, lemme know what you think


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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20037726 - 05/25/14 08:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm thinking no wonder they're not growing more, you haven't even birthed them yet..
or is this some sort of "novelty grow" where you only want in vitro fruits? :confused:

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: spacechildo]
    #20037732 - 05/25/14 08:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Check my first post. I have 8 cakes in my sgfc, 3 cakes are still in their jars.
The cakes not birthed yet are showing the same stubby pins as the ones I have in my sgfc.

Would love input so I don't waste another 3 cakes to mutation :philososloth:

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20037754 - 05/25/14 09:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

taking a wild guess here and saying the cakes in sgfc also pinned in vitro?
all your pins are on top of the cakes where the conditions for growth (humidity and water reservoir in the cake) is the worst.

down on perlite level there will be 100% humidity and the water in your cakes will have drawn down there.

your pins are struggling because of this. new ones will probably start growing at the base of your cake.

try to consolidate cakes for a week -> 10 DAYS and fruit before in vitro pinning occurs.

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: spacechildo]
    #20038016 - 05/25/14 10:39 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

My first cakes I felt like I birthed them too early (did not wait for invitropins). I initially had them seperated in 2 chambers but found misting them tedious, so I moved them together into one sgfc.

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Re: Pinheads aren't growing anymore [Re: Cubenthusiast]
    #20038025 - 05/25/14 10:43 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

well if pins started out normal and then turned into what you have I'm a guess too much or not enough water content or mistings.
something about their environment is not right. what do you do?

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