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midnightmaraude
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I have 6 jars in pressure cooker. all I coukd fit. I have 4 more jars made and wrapped in tin foil in the fridge ready to go next. can I take the jars in pc out and set them aside while I do other 4?
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You can, but generally not a good idea to quick cool. I'd wait.
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg]
#19999219 - 05/16/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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You risk cracking your jars, i'd let them set in the PC, lid off for an hour before moving them anywhere.
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Don't put jars directly from the fridge into the hot PC they'll just shatter.
You can do the next four. Once the pressure drops just take the ones that are done out, bunch them together and wrap a tea towel around them so they don't cool off too fast.
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Re: quick question [Re: Quexl]
#19999322 - 05/16/14 08:18 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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thank u
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what is a tea towel
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Just a small towel.
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg] 1
#19999376 - 05/16/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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or a towel-towel, whatever.
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Re: quick question [Re: Quexl]
#19999413 - 05/16/14 08:42 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can do this, just keep it clean I've grown some honkers and found you can grow and do about anything with this stuff as long as things stay clean. I've even grown on rock-wool and sugar...
Experimenting is part of the fun...
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Re: quick question [Re: Tauri]
#19999429 - 05/16/14 08:47 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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thank you guys. I'm using instant pot pc. wrapped the other 6 in a towel and the pc insert was cool by the time I put em in. theyre in for another 100 mins. can't wait to noc em up tomorrow.
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hope you checked to make sure there was enough water left!
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Re: quick question [Re: Quexl]
#19999786 - 05/16/14 10:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quexl said: hope you checked to make sure there was enough water left!
there was plenty of water left
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well 10 jars inoculated. hard measuring .25 cc I just roughed it. a lil in each of the four holes until the whole cc was done. gottem sittin utility closet. we shall see
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oh...the recipe I used was 3 cups verm 1.5 brf 1tbsp gypsum 1.5 cup mixture of 50/50 coffee water
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midnightmaraude said: oh...the recipe I used was 3 cups verm 1.5 brf 1tbsp gypsum 1.5 cup mixture of 50/50 coffee water
That won't work. Dump them and start over, but follow directions this time.
And your jars won't crack if you pull them out of the PC while hot. Just run your cycle, let it come to atmospheric pressure naturally and then pull them out. No need for a towel or any of that shit.
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36fuckin5 said: No need for a towel or any of that shit.
Just trying to help, but ok, I'll remember that.
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Re: quick question [Re: Quexl]
#20002791 - 05/17/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also wouldn't get in the habit of keeping stuff in the fridge. Fridges are full of nasty shit.
I realize you put the jars in BEFORE PCing them...but still. Try and always avoid the fridge. The only thing I would put in there are colonizing/colonized jars, but I'd put them in a box first.
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Never put colonizing jars in the fridge. It'd be OK to put unsterilized grain jars in the fridge for a day or so while you wait to PC, but anything sterile and not 100% colonized won't last long. Putting non-sterile grain jars in the fridge isn't the best idea though.
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bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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midnightmaraude said: oh...the recaboutipe I used was 3 cups verm 1.5 brf 1tbsp gypsum 1.5 cup mixture of 50/50 coffee water
That won't work. Dump them and start over, but follow directions this time.
And your jars won't crack if you pull them out of the PC while hot. Just run your cycle, let it come to atmospheric pressure naturally and then pull them out. No need for a towel or any of that shit.
why won't it work? I gathered the info from other people who had successful results. what about it won't work? I'm gonna atleast give it a shot. that sytinge was $55 buzzed aldrin from bestspores.
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is it possible contam issues with the coffee? I pc'd them for 100 mins if that matters
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dude. Give this shit up. Your recipe is totally stupid and is going to turn into a huge bacterial mess. Whoever told you to do that should be banned. Follow RR's videos for PF Tek. They are the golden standard.
The only thing more whack then putting coffee in your brf cakes was paying $55 for a syringe....

Wouldn't the sheer cost of it cause you to sit down and think "Hmm. Theres a lot of shit I could buy for $55. Maybe I shouldn't waste in on a recipe that everyone is telling me will fail and instead try it on a sure fire recipe so I can at least enjoy $55 worth of tripping"
Christ.
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midnightmaraude said: why won't it work? I gathered the info from other people who had successful results. what about it won't work? I'm gonna atleast give it a shot. that sytinge was $55 buzzed aldrin from non sponsor.
3. Spores are sold for microscopy use only so mycologists can ID mushrooms. If you're going to misuse them to grow a controlled substance, keep it to yourself. Any post which mentions 'such and such' vendor, will be deleted and you'll receive an official warning. Do not plug non sponsors.
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midnightmaraude said: why won't it work? I gathered the info from other people who had successful results. what about it won't work? I'm gonna atleast give it a shot. that sytinge was $55 buzzed aldrin from non sponsor.
3. Spores are sold for microscopy use only so mycologists can ID mushrooms. If you're going to misuse them to grow a controlled substance, keep it to yourself. Any post which mentions 'such and such' vendor, will be deleted and you'll receive an official warning. Do not plug non sponsors.
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you guys have got to be kidding me!? I'm not some jerk. for the past week I have been reading constantly. I spent the $55 because the spores sounded interesting and well Ican aafford to give it a shot. now why slam me for using coffee? I didn't pull that outta my butt I learned it from HERE! and now you wanna flame me for it? real nice and supportive. thanks. I'm going to let this sit. maybe it works maybe it doesn't. if it works you will be hearing from me. end rant.
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and how stupid is the rule to not plug sponsers? isn't that why they're sponsers? other forums openly plug/review their sponsors, why not here? jeez
Edited by midnightmaraude (05/18/14 10:39 AM)
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He explained that because it's illegal to grow plenty of things, the rule exists that nobody mentions sponsers in posts. It's a pretty simple rule and it honestly makes perfect sense, nobody wants our sponsors shutting down because someone came here and reported to the authorities they saw people using their spore syringes for growing, not microscopy.
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Plugging non-sponsors is what they were talking about. As for the recipe, if it works, great. Maybe because it's not an established tek, people don't respect it, at least I don't think it is. Maybe you can give some idea of where you got it from? I have heard of using coffee, just never in cakes(to my knowledge). That's not to say it can't work, but probably people have tried it with less than stellar results.
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg]
#20005194 - 05/18/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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avorg said: Plugging non-sponsors is what they were talking about. As for the recpe, if it works, great. Maybe because it's not an established tek, people don'processespect it, at least I don't think it is. Maybe you can give some idea of where you got it from? I have heard of using coffee, just never in cakes(to my knowledge). That's not to say it can't work, but probably people have tried it with less than stellar results.
A+ for your response. thank you.
I think it foolish and hasty to just assume with 100% certainty that it will fail and to just throw it out. cmon, let's atkeast see what happens. afterall isn't that part of the learning process?
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midnightmaraude said: oh...the recipe I used was 3 cups verm 1.5 brf 1tbsp gypsum 1.5 cup mixture of 50/50 coffee water
That won't work. Dump them and start over, but follow directions this time.
And your jars won't crack if you pull them out of the PC while hot. Just run your cycle, let it come to atmospheric pressure naturally and then pull them out. No need for a towel or any of that shit.
2 parts verm, 1 part water, 1 part brf is the same thing as 2 parts verm, 1 part brf, 1 part water. I hope OP didn't dump his cakes.
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Re: quick question [Re: Psilicon]
#20005454 - 05/18/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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van der griegen said:
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36fuckin5 said:
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midnightmaraude said: oh...the recipe I used was 3 cups verm 1.5 brf 1tbsp gypsum 1.5 cup mixture of 50/50 coffee water
That won't work. Dump them and start over, but follow directions this time.
And your jars won't crack if you pull them out of the PC while hot. Just run your cycle, let it come to atmospheric pressure naturally and then pull them out. No need for a towel or any of that shit.
2 parts verm, 1 part water, 1 part brf is the same thing as 2 parts verm, 1 part brf, 1 part water. I hope OP didn't dump his cakes. 
I didn't.
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Here's an update. It will be day 3 around noon today. I checked this mornign and didn't see any mycellium yet but didn't see any type of bacterial growth either. Will update this post once I do see something.
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5 hours short of 4 days. I took a look this morning and saw what looks like mycellium forming by one of hte inoculation holes. Others have a little white blotch. I took a pic will try to post soon.
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the little white bloch is myc. It usually starts off a greyish white and gets thicker. 4 days is nothing man, stop checking so much. Patience you must have.
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here's a pic
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looks like myc to me but why them jars
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I saw them in the store too, they say wide mouth half pint but they have an enormously wide base so it kinda ruins it for our purpose
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tripdawg420 said: looks like myc to me but why them jars
whatcha mean? the tek said half pint wide mouth jars?
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you need the straight jars its going to be hard to get the cake out
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Re: quick question [Re: Mdahmer]
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Mdahmer said: I saw them in the store too, they say wide mouth half pint but they have an enormously wide base so it kinda ruins it for our purpose
ohhhh I didnt know there was a different version? so what are the cons with this type of jar?
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tripdawg420 said: you need the straight jars its going to be hard to get the cake out
I wondered the same thing. hmmm well worst case scenario that's what they make hammers for. lol
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Lol you could also just use a clean spoon or something to break it p and spawn it to coir/verm or even just verm like in vybes tek.
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Re: quick question [Re: Mdahmer]
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Mdahmer said: Lol you could also just use a clean spoon or something to break it p and spawn it to coir/verm or even just verm like in vybes tek.
I'll have to read about that
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The cons are geometry. You will not be able to get your cakes out of those jars without first breaking them up with a sterilized spoon or something. Uh, good luck with this one, I'm curious as to how you'll solve it.
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DroolingRock said: The cons are geometry. You will not be able to get your cakes out of those jars without first breaking them up with a sterilized spoon or something. Uh, good luck with this one, I'm curious as to how you'll solve it.
I've been in "tighter" spots.
if it's a no go ill just use vybes tek. no biggie
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His tek works, but I've never seen anyone say, "Man, I'm glad I did verm-cased brf trays before trying bulk. I don't know what I'd have done with all those mushrooms. "
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Re: quick question [Re: Psilicon]
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van der griegen said: His tek works, but I've never seen anyone say, "Man, I'm glad I did verm-cased brf trays before trying bulk. I don't know what I'd have done with all those mushrooms. "
you all on this board have very conflicting view points.
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van der griegen said: His tek works, but I've never seen anyone say, "Man, I'm glad I did verm-cased brf trays before trying bulk. I don't know what I'd have done with all those mushrooms. "
you all on this board have very conflicting view points.
Thats what makes us so damn smart :
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For some stuff it's really preference and opinion based, other things are more solid. I'd say for the most mushrooms from those cakes since you pretty much have to break them up (unless you break the jar) is to spawn them to bulk of some kind. I did a few half pint bulks by mixing each cake with its own qt of 70/30 coir verm and it worked well.
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Re: quick question [Re: Mdahmer]
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Mdahmer said: For some stuff it's really preference and opinion based, other things are more solid. I'd say for the most mushrooms from those cakes since you pretty much have to break them up (unless you break the jar) is to spawn them to bulk of some kind. I did a few half pint bulks by mixing each cake with its own qt of 70/30 coir verm and it worked well.

Yes, we definitely do disagree on a lot. But almost all of us agree that a bulk substrate is better. Even if you forgo proper pasteurization and just bucket tek some coir/verm, you'll have better results. It really is as simple as mixing some coir in with the verm and then dumping hot water on it, and your results will be soooo much better. You'll be delighted you skipped fruiting cakes.
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PsilocyBen17 said: dude. Give this shit up. Your recipe is totally stupid and is going to turn into a huge bacterial mess. Whoever told you to do that should be banned. Follow RR's videos for PF Tek. They are the golden standard.
The only thing more whack then putting coffee in your brf cakes was paying $55 for a syringe....

Wouldn't the sheer cost of it cause you to sit down and think "Hmm. Theres a lot of shit I could buy for $55. Maybe I shouldn't waste in on a recipe that everyone is telling me will fail and instead try it on a sure fire recipe so I can at least enjoy $55 worth of tripping"
Christ. 
well so far so good. I realize contams can show anytime but so far it's just beautiful myc!
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Yep, it does look like it's doing pretty well.
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Looks good so far 
You didn't do yourself any favors by using that jar style, though.
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg]
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Yea I think people might have misunderstood about your recipe. To make sure you just used 50/50 coffe water right? With a normal 2-1-1 ratio of ingredients? I use 25& coffee in my water and works good. I think some people thought you put coffee grounds in your mix
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Re: quick question [Re: Mdahmer]
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I think the other problem was that people couldn't divide, and 3:1.5:1.5 looked busted to them.
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Re: quick question [Re: Psilicon]
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van der griegen said: I think the other problem was that people couldn't divide, and 3:1.5:1.5 looked busted to them.
lol. true. yes it was 50/50 coffee,water blend. no grounds. and 1 tbsp of gypsum.
I don't know jack about mason jars except the 800ml I use for moonshine. so when I read half pint wide mouth I didn't know they had two different styles and this was the only tupe they had. I'll have to break em with a hammer is all.
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You sure? Because spawning to bulk and using those jars to make cherry bounce sounds like a much better plan than that to me.
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Re: quick question [Re: Psilicon]
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg]
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I'll third that. Don't be nervous about spawning man it's not as daunting as it may seem and you will increase your yield. How many jars do you have total?
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Re: quick question [Re: Mdahmer]
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yea my bad bro sorry for the bad advice. I read your recipe quick and thought you put coffee IN your jars. Sorry man.
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PsilocyBen17 said: yea my bad bro sorry for the bad advice. I read your recipe quick and thought you put coffee IN your jars. Sorry man.
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Re: quick question [Re: Mdahmer]
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Mdahmer said: I'll third that. Don't be nervous about spawning man it's not as daunting as it may seem and you will increase your yield. How many jars do you have total?
I have 11 jars total. I trust your judgement. I have this sgfc made, will I not be needing that? gotta link to a tek for what your speaking about?
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If I was in your shoes I would make a few trays with them, although it is enough spawn for a mini mono. I don't know how to link things on here. Basically you need to know how to pasteurize your bulk, check out frankhorrigans journal on how he does shit. Once you have that done it's really just getting your cakes out in nice size chunks so it's easy to cheese grater them then mixing with your bulk sub in a tray. If you want more specifics you can PM me and I'll explain how I did it with some of my cakes I just don't wanna type all that this minute. Could someone throw some links for him you think would help
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I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket, a shiner should know that... Fruit some cakes as is, and do a little bulk if you're up to it. That way you don't get in over your head and end up losing everything because of lack of experience. A lot more research will be needed on your part to decide what bulk will work for you, and if it's something you want to tackle now.
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg]
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Did you read the thread? That's impossible with the jars he has.
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That's a strange thing to say. You can fruit from jars you know. But what I meant was as "cakes". Either break them up into a tray or something and you could even case with verm if you wanted. You could also re-consolidate them by moving to another clean jar or container, tamping them into shape, and letting them re-establish. Then you can do the whole dunk-n-roll to SGFC routine.
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg]
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I think I'll smash all jars, fruit 7 cakes and make two verm trays with 2 crumbled cakes each. hell, this is all for fun either way. that fails I still have pristine shine to fall back on. cheers fellas
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I like that plan. Your fall-back sounds like my "plan A"
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Smashing the jars isn't gonna give you cakes. You'll break up your cake into chunks. Let it finish, kinda pulverize it with a knife so it'll all come out and spawn them. Don't smash your jars.
Next time read more before you start.
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[]36fuckin5 said: Smashing the jars isn't gonna give you cakes. You'll break up your cake into chunks. Let it finish, kinda pulverize it with a knife so it'll all come out and spawn them. Don't smash your jars.
Next time read more before you start.
really, that's your advice? read more? you don't have to be a pompous ass man. it was an oversight. no where I read stated there was a different type of half pint jars other than regular and wide mouth.
and fyi i did read a post where a guy successfully hit the jar releasing the cake intact but thanks for the advice
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and fyi i did read a post where a guy successfully hit the jar releasing the cake intact but thanks for the advice
I bet it wasn't a shouldered jar though. Some people have trouble getting them out even with the proper jars where the hole is as wide as the cake! There's no way you could remove a cake intact from one of those without destroying the jar and even that would be tricky.
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and fyi i did read a post where a guy successfully hit the jar releasing the cake intact but thanks for the advice
I bet it wasn't a shouldered jar though. Some people have trouble getting them out even with the proper jars where the hole is as wide as the cake! There's no way you could remove a cake intact from one of those without destroying the jar and even that would be tricky.
what I meant was he successfully hit the jar with a hammer and breaking it to release the cake. I am in complete agreement they won't come out either way. worst case scenario is I break em up and spawn to case.
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You would either spawn to a bulk substrate, or you would apply a casing layer.
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12days. not an expert by no,means but looks good.
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So these were inoculated on May 17th. I don't know would you say they are 90% done? Then I'll have to wait the week for them to be consolidated. Problem is I'm going away Friday the 13th, coming back for Sunday and leaving again on Monday not returning until late June 18th.
I'm trying to get the timing down here. WOrried they will be done and need to be birthed and if I birth em and put em in I won't be able to tend to them. Opinions on how to manage this? Let's say they finish in 2 or 3 days and with the week to consolidate we have June 13th (Exactly when I first leave).
Like how long will a consolidated jar keep beyond the week, if needed?
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Anyone? In short, will these keep until June 18th?
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ok.... so I put the mycelium in with the coir and vermiculite mix. it's in trays covered with foil, holes poked in for gas exchange. about how long does it take to colonize the substrate?
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I use a 1/4 ratio. Sometimes less. Mine take a week. What ratio did you use?
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I did 1 cup myc (cheese grated) to 2 cups of the coir/verm mix, that mix was one brick coir and 4 qts verm. 5 qrts water I think
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Somethings wrong with that picture.
1 brick of coir mixed with 4 quarts of verm is going to be wayyyy more than 2 cups....more like 32 cups atleast. Are you saying you made 16 bulk trays?
Did your properly pasteurize your coir/verm sub?
Im confused, and am going to need a little more info if I am to be of any help
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I thought the same thing.
If you use a 1:2 ratio like he(I think) described, a week is very doable.
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sorry. I meant 2cup to 1 cup ratio. . I didn't pasteurize. I know. so we'll see what happens. long story, unexpected visitors.
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That's a decent ratio and coir/verm is pretty resistant, so you might be okay.
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hoping man. I left one cake in jar in case. at least I can fruit that and get the spores to start over. Irushed after company left and had tbe myc approaching the 24 hour soak mark and had to go visit uncle in hospice. life happens right?
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Yikes man I hope you didnt soak your bulk for 24hrs....
Also, when you say you didnt pasteurize did you atleast sterilize?
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by bulk you mean the coir/verm? I soaked the mycelium for a day in the fridge. not the substrate. and no I didn't sterilize. I know I rushed it. hopefully the myc will win out. if not back to the drawing board.
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well what did you do with your brick of coir? and I hope you still have 95% of the coir/verm mix left if those weird shaped jars are your only spawn..?
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If you are using BRF you shouldn't have dunked. Just grate it up and mix it in with your coir/verm. Frank has a nice thread on the benefits of dunking WBS when using it as spawn, but he only dunks for 20 minutes.
So you didnt pasteurize OR sterilize? Dont expect results. But I'll keep my eye on this thread just because I'm curious. This hobby isnt for people who are in a rush....kind of a stupid move dude, no offence.
You prepped all your spawn jars, waited a couple weeks for them to colonize, prepped your verm/coir BUT THEN decided you were in a rush and didnt bother spending an hour or two to pasteurize it? Naughty Naughty!
I wish you all the best dude. but next time pasturize. it takes a very little amount of time and saves you a lot of trouble.
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I read people who grated and dunked. at the least dunked 24 hrs in cakes then rolling in verm before fruiting. I dunno. we'll see. like I said. I have one cake left in the jar. so maybe I can also salvage a spore print or two
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I do. like I said. I took a cup of the myc and mixed in 2 cups of coir/verm. and then another cup of myc /2cups coir and so on til i ran out of a cup of myc.then i mixed it all up and put it into 6 separate bread containers.
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so you didn't add water to the coir brick? what did you do to turn a brick of coir into a mix of verm and coir is my Question
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no I put coir brick , 2 quarts verm and 5 quarts hot water in. let it sit for an hour mixed it all up per the instructions, checked moisture and then mixed.
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hmm. that recipe seems a little skewed. I usually use twice as much verm but I'm sure it wont make a huge diff. goodluck.
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well it's been 5 days. I took a peek. I'm afraid it's contam. Itook a picture, perhaps some could weigh in please. :-( all 6 look the same btw.
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the pink on the sides is from the flash. color is same throughout
I'm thinking cobweb mold. suggestions? toss it, see if mycelium overtakes it? I saved one brf cake still in jar. what would you do? fruit it and get spore print? could i try to get a piece of it in a jar of steralized bird seed and start over?
ugh
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How's it smell?
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what should it smelll like or not? I have bad sense of smell. I'll ask wife to smell
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Should smell like fresh mushrooms. Usually it's pretty easy to tell an off smell. Cobweb has a musty odor.
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ahhh ok I smelled.that as I was grating the cakes. I didn't smell trays. I'll try again
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well I smelled she smelled. I didn't smell musty odors nor did she but we also didn't smell mushrooms like I did when I opened the jars. the left over coir verm in the bucket I looked at and it had maybe one or two cobweb molds. nothing lime what ya see in pic
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So there's hope after all. How much longer by the looks of it do you think it has til it's ready to be put in the sgfc? Also, would you suggest taking it out of the tray or keeping it in it? I have a bakers rack to sit on the perelite to keep them off it if you say take them out.
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So tomorrow will be day 7. Questions I need answered:
1. Should I fruit? If so, should I remove from tinfoil tins and set on wire rack over perelite?
Do they need to be dunked first?
TIA
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fruit it and leave it in
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Yeah,
Just see what happens.
The look of that tray and the lack of mushroom odor has me somewhat skeptical, though. I had something that looked like that years ago with a non-descript, maybe grainy odor. Ended up being schizophyllum commune. Kind of tricky because like cobweb, it can grow side by side with cube mycelium.
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Do you think I drowned the myc? I used the cheese grater on the cakes and ptu the shavings in a plastic bag full of water and stuck in fridge.
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never done anything like that. Why fridge?
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Itook this a few min ago. iI took a deep sniff and I smell that same sweet smell that came from the jars. so time to fruit guys?
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Go ahead, nothing to lose.
A learning experience if nothing else. Keep us posted.
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Re: quick question [Re: avorg]
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ok. 6 inches perelite. light 6500k 6 trays are uncovered n loaded.
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never done anything like that. Why fridge?
posts I r ead said the cold helps prevent bacteria from forming. a good sign, a few trays I put a lil coir verm on top. those have NO white stuff except the parts that weren't covered by that layer. also, no white in the 5gallon bucket of left over still!
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wrong sized holes under perlite level? and myc can eat through those trays (alu), you could line them with plastic next time.
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1/4" holes man. and yes it's below the perelite and the bottom and the sides and tops.
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never done anything like that. Why fridge?
posts I r ead said the cold helps prevent bacteria from forming.
old posts or just misunderstood people lol, whatever bacteria forms during the dunk is easily taken care of with a quick rinse
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alright, the holes below the perlite just looked much smaller than the ones above when I zoomed in.
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Well...This is day 4 of fruiting step. No pins yet. I have been misting and fanning 3 x a day. On two trays there was a little bit of trich. I cut it out and put a salt mixture on the remaining half. This was yesterday and so far no sign of additional trich on the same trays or the others.
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midnightmaraude said: oh...the recaboutipe I used was 3 cups verm 1.5 brf 1tbsp gypsum 1.5 cup mixture of 50/50 coffee water
That won't work. Dump them and start over, but follow directions this time.
And your jars won't crack if you pull them out of the PC while hot. Just run your cycle, let it come to atmospheric pressure naturally and then pull them out. No need for a towel or any of that shit.
why won't it work? I gathered the info from other people who had successful results. what about it won't work? I'm gonna atleast give it a shot. that sytinge was $55 buzzed aldrin from bestspores.
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Cronc ... I know man... I'm gonna see how this all plays out.. You're shaking your head about the trich right?
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well I checked em. been a lil over a day. no sign of new white trich on the cut trays or the ones that were fine. so far so good?
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I'm going to hop in here and say that apart from an initial misunderstanding these guys have given you plenty of help and been extremely patient. Being new here I'm not in much of a position to dispense advise but I will say you should probably get your brick that had trich and get it the hell out of there and hope that the rest don't start showing trich as well. Also, it's my understanding that fruiting can take a week or more. Be patient and you may yet be rewarded.
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sorry man it is just easier when i'm on my tiny ass phone to use a quick smiley if i only got a couple words to say, as for your sub just keep watching it, i'd agree with the above to get it out now but i know first hand what it's like to not wanna throw the towel in but just know the risks you run when you attempt things like that, the real bitch is you can think it's all fine and go to bed and wake up and it's everywhere
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Re: quick question [Re: cronicr]
#20214090 - 07/02/14 06:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr, thank you. as of this morning all bricks are still clear. I figure if it's going to happen the spores are already all over em. time will tell. I'm doing my part misting, fanning, light on off 12 hours a piece and every two days rewet the perelite.
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the pic w the two trays have a sprinkle of coir verm over the top. is this ok? the damaged brick as shown looks ok. and the other pic is my best brick I think I have going.
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look what I just found :-)
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-------------------- It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
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Re: quick question [Re: cronicr]
#20225663 - 07/04/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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not outta the woods yet I know. got a couple others popped up on a few trays but that's it so far. I did get trich on one tray and took your advice and planted it outside.
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Just wanted to wrap this up here. I didn't get the yield I expected but honestly I only ended up with 2.5 trays. They are on their second flush now and I'm done with them. Having learned the basics and reading more threads I'm definitely going with the monotub route. I took two caps and set em up so I can get some spore prints and get rolling with some wbs quarts.
One thing I'm experimenting with. I saved one colonized brf cake. Placed the jar and a quart of bird seed I prepared inside a plastic bag and crumbled some of the brf cake into the bird seed. I took a look at it last night and it seems to look okay. I'll take a picture and post here later. If that does okay and colonizes can I spawn the birdseed to other quart birdseed jars or will the myc not be strong enough??
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I've always been interested to see how a BRF>WBS would play out. Post pics later plzzzz!
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Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said: I've always been interested to see how a BRF>WBS would play out. Post pics later plzzzz!
I definitely will.
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So did you spawn them both into the bag? Or use the bag as some kind of still air thing and break up your Brf to put into the grain jar?
Either way I wouldn't trust it to work, and even if it did colonize and look ok I still wouldn't g2g out with it.
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