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Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus?
    #19988657 - 05/14/14 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 days ago)

Hey everyone, im fairly new to this forum so feel free to correct any mistakes i make or will make in the future. Also, sorry if this is in the wrong section.

I kind of just wanted every ones input on the freezing/thawing process of san pedro? Is this an unnecessary process? Why do people do this?
I've read that when thawing, some type of slime is usually all over the slices of the san p.
Is this true?

I've only made san pedro tea twice so sorry if i come off as a noob.

Any help/answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #19988877 - 05/14/14 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 days ago)

Completed my first extraction a few days ago, froze/thawed a few time and oh yea, they get slimey. So make sure to keep them in a container. You'll notice that the the opinion on freezing and unfreezing goes back and forth. I went for it because, well why not. And the idea of breaking down the cells with the process seemed like it wouldnt hurt.  It also helped it break down when blended.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: Damn]
    #19988938 - 05/14/14 09:56 PM (8 years, 6 days ago)

I freezed and thawed once.... NEVER AGAIN!! lol it just ended up being more hassle then what I needed and at the time i was unable to do a tea and drying out the slimy cactus chips in the oven is hell after doing so.

But if your doing a tea I see no reason not to, It makes sense that the ice that forms in the cactus (after all cacti are 90% water) would rupture the cell walls and make for a more potent brew. But if you plan on powdering the cacti Don't Do This. Absolutely way to much effort in my opinion.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: Damn]
    #19991487 - 05/15/14 12:52 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Thanks for the reply, im assuming the container will have some slime at the bottom. What should i do with this? Should i just throw this away or would it be good to like add it to the tea when its ready?

Like i said i said in my original post, i have made this tea twice. Both times i used 12" of cactus. De-spined it, blended it, simmered for 2 hours & then Low boil for 4 hours. How much water should be in the pot before i strain it? Does it depend how much i want to drink?

I feel like these are some pretty dumb questions but please bare with me as i am new to the whole cactus thing :P


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: newageshaman]
    #19991555 - 05/15/14 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Wait theres more than one way to consume san pedro? I really need to do some more research, i just cant seem to find alot of like techniques that people use.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #19992609 - 05/15/14 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Yes there is a few different methods of consumption, easiest in my opinion is tea. Then you have boiling down to a tar and caping up in gel-caps. Another is just to eat the cactus raw which I could never do, the last is best for storage I think an that's taking the outer green layer of flesh under the skin and drying in a oven then powderizing.

As for when to strain the solids, I usually do this after 6 to 8 hours of boiling and simmering. Then boil down to a manageable amount such as a cup or half a cups worth.

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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: newageshaman]
    #19992845 - 05/15/14 05:10 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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Yes there is a few different methods of consumption, easiest in my opinion is tea. Then you have boiling down to a tar and caping up in gel-caps. Another is just to eat the cactus raw which I could never do, the last is best for storage I think an that's taking the outer green layer of flesh under the skin and drying in a oven then powderizing.

As for when to strain the solids, I usually do this after 6 to 8 hours of boiling and simmering. Then boil down to a manageable amount such as a cup or half a cups worth.

:peace:Good Luck and Happy Travels:peace:




Do you add water throughout the 6-8 hour extraction?


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: healing]
    #19992924 - 05/15/14 05:29 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Depending on how much evaporation happens between that 6 - 8 hours I would usually add an extra 2litres or more. I try to make sure to have enough water in my pot to last the full 8 (I have 40litre pot specifically for brews) but it doesn't always pan out that way.

Then once the boiling is finished I let it cool (or run a cold bath to submerge the pot if im in a hurry) Then get a old shirt and strain the solid cacti gunk into a smaller pot for the final boil.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: healing]
    #19995062 - 05/16/14 01:06 AM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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Yes there is a few different methods of consumption, easiest in my opinion is tea. Then you have boiling down to a tar and caping up in gel-caps. Another is just to eat the cactus raw which I could never do, the last is best for storage I think an that's taking the outer green layer of flesh under the skin and drying in a oven then powderizing.

As for when to strain the solids, I usually do this after 6 to 8 hours of boiling and simmering. Then boil down to a manageable amount such as a cup or half a cups worth.

:peace:Good Luck and Happy Travels:peace:



Ahhhh ok now I see, i was kind of winging it the first 2 extractions.
Might just stick to the tea, but will definitely read up on the other methods just to gain some knowledge on the subject. Thanks alot for the help.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #19995401 - 05/16/14 02:25 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Yeah save the juice that gets released. Melt water is good stuff


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19995484 - 05/16/14 02:44 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

I wonder what would happen if you just collected the melt water after multiple freezes and thaws and just concentrated that into a cup of tea. It would obviously be less practical than making tea but it would probably still be just as active as boiling down all the cactus chips or outer skin.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: newageshaman]
    #19995497 - 05/16/14 02:47 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

It works really well it just isn't as efficient as far as getting all the goodies out of the cactus. If you got plenty of cactus though, it's not a bad way to go. I know of one guy who runs a cactus nursery who only drinks the meltwater. Just throws the rest out. He's got plenty of cactus though.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19995567 - 05/16/14 03:13 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

If I'm ever in over abundance of cacti I may try it, do you know how many times he freezes and thaws?

Until then I will continue just blending up the pieces and boiling.


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: newageshaman]
    #19996603 - 05/16/14 10:55 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

If you freeze, the ice crystals rupture the cell walls, allowing easier extraction upon thawing.  Plus its a great way to store fresh San Pedro, just despine well, cut into half inch thick stars and freeze solid in your freezer, stores really well. Then when yits trip time, weigh the stars, add a same weight of fruit juice, blenderize and its ready to consume.

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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: newageshaman]
    #19999588 - 05/16/14 11:27 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

What's up man, I'm planning to go for my 3rd extraction tomorrow. I have 18-24" of frozen san Pedro chopped up. After I thaw and do all that other stuff, when would be a good time to add the melt water?


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Re: Freezing/Thawing San Pedro cactus? [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #19999601 - 05/16/14 11:30 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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If I'm ever in over abundance of cacti I may try it, do you know how many times he freezes and thaws?

Until then I will continue just blending up the pieces and boiling.



My friend who does the meltwater actually only uses the water released by the first melt.

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What's up man, I'm planning to go for my 3rd extraction tomorrow. I have 18-24" of frozen san Pedro chopped up. After I thaw and do all that other stuff, when would be a good time to add the melt water?



I add the meltwater towards the end of whatever other process I am doing and then reduce it all together. I think the tek in my sig is pretty straightforward. Let me know if I can make it more so. Basically combine all your liquids at the end and reduce them together is what I do.

Or you can drink the meltwater on its own and then ingest whatever else you have. It's not too bad to drink. Not too good either.


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