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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19574449 - 02/16/14 11:41 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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Great thread mate! Im going to go through this thread when I get the chance tonight. Im getting ready for my first 'from seed' grow…
Ive been storing the seeds for about six months in a dark container, the seed were found in various tuffs of hair on the original peyote plant.
I recently went out and bought some local made cactus soil and pot.
I was wondering if I'm taking the right steps though.
1. Put soil in pot. 2.Pat seeds into surface of soil 3. Put aquarium or granite rock chipping on surface. 4. Put soil/pot into plastic container to create green house effect?
Do I need to let the seeds breath from the green house at anytime?
Watering?
Thanks mate hope to hear from ya!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Outofmymind69]
#19578225 - 02/17/14 04:32 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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To avoid mold I would not use any organic material first.
Also more seeds have age, harder they are to germinate, also heating from below help germination.
I suggest just to use coco coir, perlite and pumicide&rocks. Nothing more, that kind of growing medium doesn't mold. Fertlizers can be add trough water spray later, rest minerals cactus will have from small rocks under the soil.
It goes basically like you said, add tray inside plastic dome what capture heat and humidity. High temperature from heat mat helps heat stay in and it will mimic desert climate with hot days and cool nights.
So you just add growing medium to pot. Then: -Soak the growing medium for good, moist but not wet. -Sow seeds on top of soil(don't bury) and forget them there. -Add your pot inside of somekind plastic transparent dome with drainage holes at top and below. -Use heat mat if possible with timer, day time on, night time off.
And yes you can open the humid dome daily basis if you want, there is no harm if most of the time dome is above the seedlings and small amount of time away. My plants are at the moment above heat mat and under fluoro light and I have not used humid dome for long time for them. I my watering cycle is 2-3weeks at the moment.
Holes at top and heating mat causes passive air circulation, hot air always rise up and if there is small holes, it causes air circulation.
I would avoid organic material and use liquid fertilizers and add organic material on after first transplant when your peyote plants have dry and moist seasons. Later on after watering, you don't need a plastic dome. But otherwise when it's dry you can use "mini-greenhouse" with heat mat to capture heat and let cactus enjoy.
If you are going to use organic soil, keep it in microwave for one minute or more before you use it, it's very likely soil have mold, that's why I like to use only rock and coco coir with perlite.
You can later on see when transplanting your seedlings are literally attached to small rocks and perlite with roots. Also peyote doesn't actually need hardly any organic material in soil, you can give fertilizers naturally comes from decaying organic material by using common cactus fertilizer with small dosages. Fertilizers can cause moss above rocky surface but it doesn't cause harm to seedlings.
More I would worry old seedlings, one year old seeds can germinate good but later on when they are older, it's more likely seeds doesn't germinate.
--------------- EDIT: Few photos for fun, 17th day of February.. Takes quite long time after watering before these seedlings plump up like this.
Edited by intelligentlife (08/23/14 11:51 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19638065 - 03/02/14 03:04 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pics from today.
2nd day of March.
 I think after summer, koehresii and williamsii can be seen and separated to their own pots after this pot is starts to go too small.

I have taken the discolored seedling and grafted it to pereskiopsis.. I hope it starts to grow on top of it so I can see is it really variegate type.. If so, I hope it attach and I can grow it as grafted and maybe degraft after it's getting bigger. I show pics later from that graft, if it have success..
This is gone ok but survival rate of seedlings was ~30% ..from 100 seeds I have these ~30seedlings(including grafted ones)
Well, toughest and most water tolerant ones have survived.. I hope my another projects go better with lophophora, lessons learned. I have spot out two head seedling growing in another tray full of peyote.
Edited by intelligentlife (03/02/14 03:14 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19638356 - 03/02/14 06:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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your lophs are gorgeous. I use a very similar method when germinating cacti from seed. I find nothing works like a good ole heating pad and a ziploc container.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: lol98xlol98]
#19674904 - 03/10/14 05:38 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Introducing some spring sun for my plants, soon about 9months old. These haven't got a drink of water for a while.
10th of March


I think to keep these in drought week more, giving some sun and next period of sunny weather, I water these
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19674922 - 03/10/14 05:52 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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They are beautiful! 
Keep up the good work!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: applesmasher420]
#19677712 - 03/10/14 07:22 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great log and nice looking cacti. Will be following and learning, thanks.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: NarkedAt90ft]
#19678377 - 03/10/14 09:14 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: bootster]
#19684793 - 03/12/14 09:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Story from koehresii what got root rot from this patch! There is much of luck and not luck at all during time of this specimen. Now it's on it's journey back to own roots! 
12/27/2013 (Suddenly I realize my first graft have attached!)

01/03/2014 (Growing...)

01/11/2014 (After this I forgot to take pics for long time)

03/12/2014 (I remember to take picture!)

When I was taking pics from other grafts, I accidentally hit my camera to scion, drop off! (Well, got my self a cutting)

Waiting to dry and then I plant it sit on the shady windowsill and wait this button starts to grow roots. Then I have root rot, grafted, degrafted l. koehresii growing on it's own root again!
 I probably can later plant this among each other to pot where all this date sow lophs spent time!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19718955 - 03/19/14 02:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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19th day of March.
Plants have been enjoyed windowsill light and occasional sun about 10days now and taking some tan. I watered these few days ago first time after I have moved these to environment where all adult plants are. 
All lophophoras taken some tan from evening direct sun

Close up photos

Metric measuring tape to give some idea of the size of plants, these reach age of 1 year at mid-summer
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19754077 - 03/27/14 06:37 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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27th of March. I just took picture same time I took photos from flowers 
 I have started watering from bottom for these, before I just sprayed so much water from top and let excess come out from below, not I dip the pot to water like I do for adults.
I see occasional direct sun light have done wonders and color of the plants is just
Edited by intelligentlife (03/27/14 06:40 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19771974 - 03/31/14 06:32 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I decided for fun to take pics at close range, haven't done that for a while.
Pics are Taken at 31st day of March


I like some lime-green coloration and also very deep gray, also those bluish one are beautiful.. Sun have done wonders for these.. Also these "suffer" from drought also. I haven't watered even I have think I water, just purposely keep them dry, it's hot and sunny.. Soon I dip this pot to pool of water and let soil soak totally.. I randomly water these by dip pot to pool of water or just spray so much water to these plants skin excess water comes out from drainage hole.
Soon I know and can ID what cactus is williamsii and what is koehresii.. Even this age so far, I see there is different looking ones but can't say what is williamsii. Few williamsii I can ID but there are most of the plants I am not sure about is it koehresii or williamsii.. 
Well, nothing more, just some close accurate photos, as accurate as my old cellphone camera allow me to take.
Few pics was blurry and I deleted them, but I tried to take pics almost every spot of the pot from close range.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19827980 - 04/11/14 11:34 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was today in good mood and took pics and look this pot of lophs..
They are totally grown, few plants have started to get in touch with lophs next to them.
I tried to took close up photos from randomly.. My camera is old cellphone camera with digital zoom so I can't use much of a zoom without ruining quality of pics.
11th day of April 2014
Whole pot of lophs at picture below. I am starting to see some ID already from few plants what is williamsii and what is koehresii, but I let these grow together enough time.. Lophs seems to like grow as crowded

Pics from top angle:


Pics from different angle:


Biggest plant diameter is 1,5cm, then few 0,9-1,4cm.. average diameter is somewhere at 1cm..
I am kinda satisfied to speed of growth. 1,5cm peyote cactus button under one year.
Next watering going to be after I see plants starts to shrink. At beginning of month I dip this pot to pool of water, these can take now more longer time before they even starts to shrink. Plants stays firm kinda long time and behave like adults.. also they have been few weeks enjoying spring sun and can take it good. Ofc these got shade from bigger columns and only have direct evening sun.. So far, none of these have got sunburn and seems sun have done only good for these, it's very nice to see they have starting to take their own forms and so on.
Next winter is going to be first winter for these.. If I can ID williamsii separate from koehresii before winter, I probably do it before season of 2015 starts. Before I can't ID all williamsii, I grow these in this pot, I have no rush to transplant these anyways.. I just don't have any excess space in my garden.. But somehow I like these as they are, with lophs, no need to hurry with watering and their growth, except all I can say, pretty fast I have achieved to grow these to size of 1cm.. I wonder how these are after season of 2014.. Some williamsii I can spot for sure but there are few I am not sure.. 
I wonder how long it takes these are at age of flowering.. Growth speed probably slow down after this season because I start to give hibernation seasons also..
What about you think of these? I have fertilized these trough water spray some time ago, rest minerals and stuff they will have from rocks in growing medium.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19827989 - 04/11/14 11:37 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those lophs are incredibly beautiful, IL! Well done! I the color spectrum you've got going on these ones.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: theMallacht]
#19828093 - 04/11/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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One word say everything: SUN
Also few failures with growing from seed teach much more than same amount of succeed cultivation.
Edited by intelligentlife (04/11/14 12:09 PM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19910841 - 04/28/14 08:47 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Again new pics! It's starts to get little crowded! Pics are taken at 28th day of April
Close up pics:

Photo from top taken at cloudy day at their spot:

These are adjusted very well to same conditions I have adult peyote plants.. These have spent about 2 months at windowsill where they have got spring sun every evening.. early morning and day time trichocereus columns give shade for lophs I have.
These are so awesome! I wonder what size these are after end of season.. I have skip last winter and after end of season, these plants will going to have rest period like adults do.
Feel free to comment!
 yey....
Edited by intelligentlife (04/28/14 09:27 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19911573 - 04/28/14 12:39 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fucking Awsome!!!!!!!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: oriky]
#19911596 - 04/28/14 12:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah those guys are looking great.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19980792 - 05/13/14 10:06 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am really enjoying your blog. They have grown up so fast!!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: weilii-coyote]
#19980918 - 05/13/14 10:35 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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They look awesome intelligent
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