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 Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans?  [Re: Stonehenge]
#19977521 - 05/12/14 05:32 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mexico is still an independent nation and only gave up a little land to usa and none to spain.
 I've never met anyone so ignorant of history. Mexico was under Spanish rule before England had colonies in North America and remained under Spanish rule until after the American Revolution. Mexicans today are largely Spanish people intermixed with the natives. Very few pure natives still survive today.
Also, Mexico lost almost half of their land mass to the U.S.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19977529 - 05/12/14 05:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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mexico wasn't a country until a few centuries after the spanish conquests.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Enlil]
#19977721 - 05/12/14 06:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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What are you blathering about now, enhil? I never said when mexico was invaded. You dodge all the questions and make up shit.
>Mexicans today are largely Spanish people intermixed with the natives.
A good example of making up shit or just having no clue. The only spanish people in mexico are tourists or a few legal residents. The mexicans, not spaniards, are mostly decendants of natives with some spanish and other ancestry. What has that got to do with anything? When you get caught in an error your ego makes you say some of the weirdest things. Get a job, kid.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19977778 - 05/12/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The more you post, the more stupid shit you say. Most Mexicans are mixed between Spanish and natives. The native culture and people in Mexico were decimated just like the were in the north. They didn't win anything or kick anyone out of the country. You should try to learn about a topic before you post misinformation. You make yourself look foolish and uneducated.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: robbyberto]
#19977786 - 05/12/14 06:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Verbal diarrhea. Your whole post.
This is your vocabulary lesson for today
Logorrhoea
Logorrhoea
Logorrhoea or logorrhea ( Greek λογορροια , logorrhia , “ word- flux”) is defined as an “excessive flow of words” and, when used medically, refers to incoherent talkativeness occurring in certain kinds of mental illness, such as mania. Logomania is the medical condition and mania with underlying symptom logorrhoea. The spoken form of logorrhoea (in the non-medical sense) is a kind of verbosity which uses superfluous (or fancy) words to disguise an otherwise useless message as useful or intellectual, and is commonly known as “ verbal diarrhea” or “diarrhea of the mout
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Logorrhoea
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: spore baby]
#19977806 - 05/12/14 06:42 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Indians couldn't fight Whiteys
firewater and are still losing that
battle today.
End of story.
Fire water and small pox took them out
Nothing they could have done
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Enlil]
#19977812 - 05/12/14 06:44 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is totally stupid crap. As usual you use straw man arguments and seem to suffer from that logorrhea that was mentioned
I will ignore en's red herrings and constant attempts to derail the thread. Getting back to the main point i was making, the natives did not resist the intruders and much like liberals today they welcomed them in. Their downfall should serve as a warning to all of us.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19977822 - 05/12/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol read a book.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19977829 - 05/12/14 06:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is totally stupid crap. As usual you use straw man arguments and seem to suffer from that logorrhea that was mentioned
I will ignore en's red herrings and constant attempts to derail the thread. Getting back to the main point i was making, the natives did not resist the intruders and much like liberals today they welcomed them in. Their downfall should serve as a warning to all of us.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Enlil]
#19977834 - 05/12/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
The more you post, the more stupid shit you say. Most Mexicans are mixed between Spanish and natives. The native culture and people in Mexico were decimated just like the were in the north. They didn't win anything or kick anyone out of the country. You should try to learn about a topic before you post misinformation. You make yourself look foolish and uneducated.
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Your saying the native population was reduced by 1/10
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19977836 - 05/12/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The natives had no way of fighting a virgin soil epidemic. Similarly, if we ever get attacked by a deadly epidemic, liberals and conservatives alike will suffer equally.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: solomilitia]
#19977911 - 05/12/14 07:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Liberal touchy feely sentiments lead to their downfall. There would have been no firewater and no disease if they had kept the interlopers out. They still may have lost some of their lands but not all. The pitiful remnants they have left aren't really theirs to keep, they are part of usa and subject to usa law. By putting up a significant fight they would have been able to sign a decent treaty and enforce it.
The colonists of the day were liberals too. They promised the natives many things and never gave them or took them back. Hence the term 'indian giver'. If that isn't a definition of a liberal i don't know what is.
Too bad they didn't have a tea party back then and present a united front to the whiteys. Chris columbus, not his real name, should have been attacked within an inch of his life and sent back home with stories of fanatical natives with no fear of death who attack mercilessly. Every visitor should have met the same reception.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19977968 - 05/12/14 07:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is nothing the natives could have done. No amount of resistance could have stopped a virgin soil epidemic. I can't imagine the dream world you live in where people can fight viruses with bows and arrows. Just when I think you've hit the rock bottom of your ignorance, you reveal an even deeper level.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Enlil]
#19978233 - 05/12/14 08:05 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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and again, i submit that you haven't a clue as to what you're talking about (stonehenge) when you're talking about "liberal touchy feely" stuff, whatever that means.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: millzy]
#19978355 - 05/12/14 08:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ha ha, its funny the depths of liberal rage when confronted by facts. Facts to a liberal are like garlic to a vampire or like honesty to a politician. They don't like it and sometimes get furious. Then of course comes the name calling, that is liberal for arguing a point. When two libs fight with each other, they call a bunch of names, huff and puff, and then each declares themselves the winner.
Of course the natives would have done much better if they had nipped the europeans in the bud. Even a fool should realize that, but not a damn fool which is often the case. The woolly headed among us would tell you that just giving in is the best policy.
Examples of giving in practiced today
Free or reduced rate tuition for children of illegals. - They should charge them more, not less
Welfare and all other services. - We have to pay for it, they don't
We let them send all their money back home - no benefit to us
Just like the poor good hearted natives who shared their food, shared their knowledge and let the bums from overseas get a foothold. They paid a big price for that and we will too.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19978368 - 05/12/14 08:26 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Liberal liberal liberal
liberal, ahhh liberal liberal
liberal l-liberal liberal liberal
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19978384 - 05/12/14 08:28 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said:
Ha ha, its funny the depths of liberal rage when confronted by facts. Facts to a liberal are like garlic to a vampire or like honesty to a politician. They don't like it and sometimes get furious. Then of course comes the name calling, that is liberal for arguing a point. When two libs fight with each other, they call a bunch of names, huff and puff, and then each declares themselves the winner.
Of course the natives would have done much better if they had nipped the europeans in the bud. Even a fool should realize that, but not a damn fool which is often the case. The woolly headed among us would tell you that just giving in is the best policy.
Examples of giving in practiced today
Free or reduced rate tuition for children of illegals. - They should charge them more, not less
Welfare and all other services. - We have to pay for it, they don't
We let them send all their money back home - no benefit to us
Just like the poor good hearted natives who shared their food, shared their knowledge and let the bums from overseas get a foothold. They paid a big price for that and we will too.
you're the only one calling people names. and my politics are too fluid to fall under a singular label - a concept i'm sure you're quite unfamiliar with seeing that you don't possess a junior high level understanding of history.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: millzy]
#19978392 - 05/12/14 08:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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and thinks he's king shit, yet cannot back up a single proposition he's ever made.
fuming yet, Stonehedge?
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19978502 - 05/12/14 08:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Point out a few truths and its like stirring an anthill. They come running out with futile snaps of their jaws trying to come to grips with something that is bigger than they are. No one can dispute the fact that the plight of the natives is very much like what happens every time libs take control. The same thing happened in ancient rome, which was once the center of the known world and who extracted tribute from far and wide. Then in a few generations they fell apart and finally the great empire is no more.
The same thing is happening here. The fuzzy thinkers can't get their minds around the fact that when you allow unlimited immigration or don't enforce the laws you have, give rewards instead of jail sentences, you run into what the indians did, what rome did, and what many other once great civilizations encountered. I would add england to that list. Even isreal is finding that immigration is their downfall.
They will tell you that most people in mexico are spaniards, that was actually said to me and the one who said it never apologized for his blunder. Actually, most spaniards are in spain, very few in mexico. So on and so on. They will say the natives did the right thing by laying down and accepting immigrants. Now they are a defeated people and can only gaze unhappily on their once beautiful lands teaming with buffalo, bison, deer and much grazing. The red man knew how to live in harmony with nature, the interlopers do not. But they got in and took over. Then, the next wave of interlopers will take it away from them. Watch and see.
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Re: Could "indians" have won against europeans? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19978564 - 05/12/14 09:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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no, we understand your ramblings, we're just telling you about your misconception of historical events having nothing to do with "liberals".
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