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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: Johnwall11] * 1
    #19952923 - 05/07/14 06:14 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I take my straw out of the barrels with a pitchfork and let it drain on a screen table. Seems simpler to me than a basket and pulley. Also maximizes the space...shrug...


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: mrtumnas] * 1
    #19954125 - 05/07/14 01:38 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Pleeeeeeseee use the return/new line/enter key once in a while, your posts are so difficult to read as a solid block of text.

Anyway, don't bother with a basket you will never lift it. Use net bags, onion sacks work perfectly :


I don't use an ultrasonic humidifier any more I use mist nozzle in front of the incoming air stream. Not perfect but less hassle than an ultrasonic.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: mrtumnas]
    #19963312 - 05/09/14 11:16 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I take my straw out of the barrels with a pitchfork and let it drain on a screen table. Seems simpler to me than a basket and pulley. Also maximizes the space...shrug...




Thanks that does sound more efficient! Appreciate the help!


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: solarity]
    #19963398 - 05/09/14 11:43 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Pleeeeeeseee use the return/new line/enter key once in a while, your posts are so difficult to read as a solid block of text.

Anyway, don't bother with a basket you will never lift it. Use net bags, onion sacks work perfectly :


I don't use an ultrasonic humidifier any more I use mist nozzle in front of the incoming air stream. Not perfect but less hassle than an ultrasonic.





Sorry about sentence spacing,I had lengthy paragraphs..and new to posting in forums.. I will start using proper spacing!!

Appreciate the input! I can get my hands on large onion& potato sacks! & Their are misting nozzles located inside the greenhouse already so that would awesome if i could get those working instead of using ultrasonic. Thanks y'all !


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: Johnwall11] * 1
    #19964238 - 05/09/14 03:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Where are you? You seem very worried about heating the GH, usually the issue is cooling!
Most of your space will be fruiting space - that usually determines everything (see the link in my sig) and 15-18C is ideal for quite a few species, inc a lot of oysters.

One thing you can do if you have access to the well is to run several hundred feet of pipe through the well water. Circulate water through the pipe and then run that through heat exchangers in your air stream as it will be about 13C (depending in your location) which will be warmer or cooler than your ambient. Note that this is a cheap option as you can use old car rads for the heat exchangers, cheap underground water pipe and a used pump.

I can thoroughly recommend starting with a small pilot operation, you will learn so much and you can re use any kit you buy. I just re-used a control box I originally built for my pilot operation 4 years later!

You don’t need drums, almost any metal container will do the trick, again depends where you are.

To keep your drum heating costs and time down, do not put the straw in until the water is at temp, and cover the water surface. This is more important than insulating the drum I did the maths in another thread somewhere...

There is so, so much to learn about setting up a farm unless you run a pilot you can waste a load of time and money on pointless things. Would be-farmers focus on the lab or the FC and forget about how many fridges they will need, what sort of containers they will use, how they will keep track of orders, what they will do with their used substrate...


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: solarity]
    #19968971 - 05/10/14 06:41 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Cold pasteurization with hydrated lime is effective and cheap (requires very little lime) but the issue is where to put the waste water.

For the risk of pointing out the obvious, I'd recommend reading Paul Stamets's 'growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms', there's a free pdf on Google. If interest to you would certainly be the breakdown of different oyster species - what temperatures they need for spawn colonization, fruiting.

Solarity - what kinds of things were you referring to when you mentioned dealing with expended substrate? What are some value added considerations for the used substrate?

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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: MrRipley]
    #19972064 - 05/11/14 01:24 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Don't know about value added, just work out a way to get rid of it! 1 Ton/week can get out of hand pretty quick if you don't have a plan (trust me on this one !!)


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: solarity]
    #19972707 - 05/11/14 04:39 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Don't know about value added, just work out a way to get rid of it! 1 Ton/week can get out of hand pretty quick if you don't have a plan (trust me on this one !!)




Or a garden.  We have a 100x50ft plot and it can take probably 5 tons of spent substrate to deep mulch it 6-12".


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: drake89]
    #19973632 - 05/11/14 09:02 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Talk to local farmers or anyone who produces compost in your area for sale. They will take everything you have. I have two at the farmers market who are going to come once a week and pick mine up. I'm also going to experiment with reusing and composting my own for resale. Time willing???


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #19974244 - 05/11/14 11:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

and you could use the heat that is produced by composting to warm up colonisation or fruiting rooms. doesn't drake do something like this?


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #19974989 - 05/12/14 07:15 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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chefinainteasy said: I'm also going to experiment with reusing and composting my own for resale.




Don't give that away for free, that shit is like gold! (if you have a space to compost it obviously) People will pay good money for properly composted spent substrates.

Just another avenue to bring money in.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: nanncee]
    #19975260 - 05/12/14 08:36 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Yea that's fine if you have somewhere to compost it. If it takes a year to compost then even if you only grow 150kg/week then that's 52 Tons of compost sitting around that you have to take out of it's bags, compost, then re-bag, brand and sell. Ok if you have nothing else to do and that space has no alternative more profitable use.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: solarity]
    #19980422 - 05/13/14 07:48 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Yea that's fine if you have somewhere to compost it. If it takes a year to compost then even if you only grow 150kg/week then that's 52 Tons of compost sitting around that you have to take out of it's bags, compost, then re-bag, brand and sell. Ok if you have nothing else to do and that space has no alternative more profitable use.






Like I said, IF you have the space it can sit on or even can find a cheap piece of land to do it on, it's a great value added item to bring in more revenue.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: forrest]
    #19980762 - 05/13/14 09:59 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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and you could use the heat that is produced by composting to warm up colonisation or fruiting rooms. doesn't drake do something like this?



I was hoping to but ill probably have to wait until I can afford a tractor.  You need an absolutely massive pile.  I probably won't use spent substrate.  I found a German company that markets this commercially so ill post details if I go through with it.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: solarity]
    #19980840 - 05/13/14 10:20 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the help! Im am located in Paul Stamet country aka Washington State! I am in farm country but as close as you get to being in the city while still being zoned properly for farming. I am 25 min away from Seattle. The reason I was concerned about heating is our temps are just below 50F 7-8 months out of the year. So figured Long Term id invest in a nice heater to be able to operate full time an easily control the greenhouses atmosphere. 

I am still learning about greenhouses but your idea of using the well water is awesome. I will look into this method further it seems like great cheap alternative.

as far as the small pilot operation.. You mean just starting small right? testing methods,testing different variables for both substrate techniques and grow techniques. learning How the business will flow.. basically discovering all the small details before I just focus on larger details. A point of discovering all aspects involved.


I had a question about the grow room & incubation room flooring. I realize concrete is ideal as you can easily clean it off and I plan on laying concrete for my clean room.. I was wondering if pea gravel could be used in the grow/incubation rooms? The weed barrier that is already in place is in good condition could I fill pea gravel over the weed barrier and still maintain drainage and a clean environment ? or will the pea gravel harbor bacteria?


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: Johnwall11]
    #19980927 - 05/13/14 10:39 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I had a question about the grow room & incubation room flooring. I realize concrete is ideal as you can easily clean it off and I plan on laying concrete for my clean room.. I was wondering if pea gravel could be used in the grow/incubation rooms? The weed barrier that is already in place is in good condition could I fill pea gravel over the weed barrier and still maintain drainage and a clean environment ? or will the pea gravel harbor bacteria?




Look up some stuff posted by RR, or go to his website. Gravel is used often and works well.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: nanncee]
    #19981268 - 05/13/14 12:03 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Like I said, IF you have the space it can sit on or even can find a cheap piece of land to do it on, it's a great value added item to bring in more revenue.




Sorry, not knocking it, just stressing that it needs to be looked at in advance!

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as far as the small pilot operation.. You mean just starting small right? testing methods,testing different variables for both substrate techniques and grow techniques. learning How the business will flow.. basically discovering all the small details before I just focus on larger details. A point of discovering all aspects involved.




Yes. The idea being to run a mini version of the full scale operation. Not just a hobby grow. So stuff like paperwork for an order, keeping track of your batches and yields, organising your fridges!


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: solarity]
    #19982244 - 05/13/14 03:52 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Alright cool! Thank you for the useful help! That is basically the stage I am at now and will be at for a bit of time. That is a great idea, I feel i have taken a lot into consideration.  a lot of the knowledge comes from experiences. so the pilot is a wise choice.

I started constructing a spawn lab in a extra room in my house today. found a bunch a material from my parents garage..who knew that my dad having a terrible hoarding problem would end up actually being a major benefit! Found a useful table , glass to place on top of the table. created a glovebox this morning, found a good sized heater to maintain temps, metal racking to store stuff, a college size refrigerator! my dad use to sell hardwood so we have a bunch of wood samples.. I can use those to create a floor over the carpet. i would tear out the carpet but he would have my head.. About to go to home depot to find some poly plastic to cover the room with before creating the wood sample floor. 

Should I place the table/glovebox in the closet? and work in a more contained area? I feel like that could be beneficial.. also i am going to put a few boards up create a wall to divide the room so i have three door before entry. I realize this might not be necessary at this point of experimenting as all i need is a clean room..  but eventually I will buy a flow hood so might as well create an good environment. I have not figured out how i will filter the air into and out of the room.. i have a bit of learning to do before attempting that.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: Johnwall11]
    #19984143 - 05/13/14 10:05 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

If your using a SAB you don't need to worry about the clean room as much. I use to use mine on my kitchen table to much success. Agar, grain to grain, and serialized sub inoculations. Its a PITA but good learning until you can afford a flow hood.


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Re: Oyster mushroom start up farm (moved) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #19991031 - 05/15/14 08:15 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

How often should mushroom compost piles be turned?  I just got to use my first pile this year in my garden (it took about 2+ years with no turning). My piles are pretty big; about 6' tall by 12' diameter with thousands of blocks in them.  My neighbor does have a tractor; should i have him turn it every 4 months or every 1 month?  Anyone have any suggestions on speeding up the process?


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