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Motorcycle impounded Help!
    #19927172 - 05/01/14 03:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So last week on the 24th i got pulled over on my motorcycle by the police, i haven't gotten my motorcycle endorsement yet and so the police officer called a tow truck and impounded my car with a towing company.

I dont get paid until tomorrow and since the bike has sat in the impound lot for the last week the total has come up to $750. My paycheck wont be that much and im afraid i might loose the motorcycle.

someone was telling me something about a "release law in Arizona" where the impound company has to release the vehicle to you. and just send it to collections. I live in Florida was wondering if that was the same, and if there is anything i could do.

Also i paid $600 to buy the motorcycle should i just count it as a loss and let it go?=''(?


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: Sterben]
    #19927189 - 05/01/14 03:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You were driving a motorcycle without a license? :facepalm:

Yeah, I would write it off.  It sounds like you really can't afford it and shouldn't have bought it.

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927204 - 05/01/14 03:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I bought it so i could save gas cash..im currently in school.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: Sterben]
    #19927207 - 05/01/14 03:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Couldn't you just... not have a car at all?  Live closer to the school?  Take the bus?

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927217 - 05/01/14 03:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I've never understood how it's legal to steal someone's shit and then charge them to get it back.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927223 - 05/01/14 03:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
Couldn't you just... not have a car at all?  Live closer to the school?  Take the bus?



why do you always ask questions far outside the scope of the conversation?

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927227 - 05/01/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Driving a mc without an endorsement ist that big of a deal, I mean it can get you a ticket, but nothing major. Shit you don't have to have any kind of endorsement to drive a 20 foot rv and that a lot more dangerous than operating a mc.
Unless op was driving completely without a drivers license even, that's not very smart.

I don't know, is it worth it to have your bike back op?  If so, by all means get it out of impound.

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #19927231 - 05/01/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)



^--Would this apply to me in Florida? This is very important this is my only way to class =[

Also i have a drivers licence and i had full motorcycle kit on Helmet, Gloves Jacket Jeans. Pulled over RIGHT away when the cop turned on his lights and was extremely polite.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927246 - 05/01/14 03:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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sonamdrukpa said:
I've never understood how it's legal to steal someone's shit and then charge them to get it back.




They didn't steal his shit. They correctly impounded it.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19927258 - 05/01/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So is there a law where they have to release my motorcycle to me and just send it to collections?


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19927270 - 05/01/14 03:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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sonamdrukpa said:
I've never understood how it's legal to steal someone's shit and then charge them to get it back.




They didn't steal his shit. They correctly impounded it.




They took it out of a public area and put it on their own personal land.  Sounds like stealing to me.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927295 - 05/01/14 03:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

It could sound like anything you wish. It still doesn't make it stealing.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19927306 - 05/01/14 03:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Definition of "steal", from Merriam-Webster:

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to take (something that does not belong to you) in a way that is wrong or illegal

: to take (something that you are not supposed to have) without asking for permission

: to wrongly take and use (another person's idea, words, etc.)




The situation described fits all three definitions.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927309 - 05/01/14 03:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

It doesn't fit any of them seeing as he was on a public road without a license.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927312 - 05/01/14 03:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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sonamdrukpa said:
Definition of "steal", from Merriam-Webster:

Quote:

to take (something that does not belong to you) in a way that is wrong or illegal

: to take (something that you are not supposed to have) without asking for permission

: to wrongly take and use (another person's idea, words, etc.)




The situation described fits all three definitions.



Maybe you have some reading issues.

This situation certainly is not one that is "wrong or illegal".

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19927325 - 05/01/14 03:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely wrong.  You only have to have one for the "or" condition to be met.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927337 - 05/01/14 03:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:rofl:

He rode his bike on a public way without a license. They impounded it in accordance with the law.

There was no stealing involved.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19927355 - 05/01/14 03:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just because it was in accordance with the law doesn't make it right or not stealing.  The cops can take your house without a trial if they think it was involved in a drug crime.  That's legal apparently, but it's nothing less than theft.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927363 - 05/01/14 03:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Just because it was in accordance with the law doesn't make it right or not stealing.  The cops can take your house without a trial if they think it was involved in a drug crime.  That's legal apparently, but it's nothing less than theft.



:respect: Ill buy most of that :thumbup: i think its wrong ugh government acting outside of its own game.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927369 - 05/01/14 03:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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EdibleStereos said:
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pwnasaurus said:
Couldn't you just... not have a car at all?  Live closer to the school?  Take the bus?



why do you always ask questions far outside the scope of the conversation?



Seriously. He can't afford his motorcycle license and you think he can just up and move closer to the school?

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927371 - 05/01/14 03:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You can argue about "right" all you want.

At the end of the day they still didn't steal his bike.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19927407 - 05/01/14 03:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Fine, I'll play along for a little bit...I've never understood why the law allows the private individuals who run these impound lots to profit, and generally profit excessively, off of the illegal actions of others.  Why don't they allow him to call a towing company himself and "impound" the motorcycle at his house?  Instead they've given someone else a windfall.  At the very least the penalty for his actions should benefit the state.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #19927410 - 05/01/14 03:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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theRAPeutic said:
Quote:

EdibleStereos said:
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pwnasaurus said:
Couldn't you just... not have a car at all?  Live closer to the school?  Take the bus?



why do you always ask questions far outside the scope of the conversation?



Seriously. He can't afford his motorcycle license and you think he can just up and move closer to the school?



Instead of owning a car AND a motorcycle?  Vehicles are absolute money pits.  Why does every single American on this site think they are entitled to owning a car?  Cars are a MASSIVE waste of money and you should only own one if absolutely necessary or you can comfortably afford it, which OP clearly can't.

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: Sterben]
    #19927426 - 05/01/14 03:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Sterben said:
So last week on the 24th i got pulled over on my motorcycle by the police, i haven't gotten my motorcycle endorsement yet and so the police officer called a tow truck and impounded my car with a towing company.

I dont get paid until tomorrow and since the bike has sat in the impound lot for the last week the total has come up to $750. My paycheck wont be that much and im afraid i might loose the motorcycle.

someone was telling me something about a "release law in Arizona" where the impound company has to release the vehicle to you. and just send it to collections. I live in Florida was wondering if that was the same, and if there is anything i could do.

Also i paid $600 to buy the motorcycle should i just count it as a loss and let it go?=''(?



Why would anybody pay $750 for a $600 motorcycle?


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927427 - 05/01/14 03:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yet the government is fairly often completely opposed to building or expanding public transportation. :wow:


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19927440 - 05/01/14 03:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Sterben said:
So last week on the 24th i got pulled over on my motorcycle by the police, i haven't gotten my motorcycle endorsement yet and so the police officer called a tow truck and impounded my car with a towing company.

I dont get paid until tomorrow and since the bike has sat in the impound lot for the last week the total has come up to $750. My paycheck wont be that much and im afraid i might loose the motorcycle.

someone was telling me something about a "release law in Arizona" where the impound company has to release the vehicle to you. and just send it to collections. I live in Florida was wondering if that was the same, and if there is anything i could do.

Also i paid $600 to buy the motorcycle should i just count it as a loss and let it go?=''(?



Why would anybody pay $750 for a $600 motorcycle?




I know, its funny he is even considering it. You could go buy another bike for less.

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927446 - 05/01/14 03:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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sonamdrukpa said:
Yet the government is fairly often completely opposed to building or expanding public transportation. :wow:



Why should the government be doing that?  It just puts the taxpayer on the hook for carting losers around


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927449 - 05/01/14 03:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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sonamdrukpa said:
Fine, I'll play along for a little bit...I've never understood why the law allows the private individuals who run these impound lots to profit, and generally profit excessively, off of the illegal actions of others.  Why don't they allow him to call a towing company himself and "impound" the motorcycle at his house?  Instead they've given someone else a windfall.  At the very least the penalty for his actions should benefit the state.




Some areas do their own towing. Others can't afford to do it so they use contractors.

If he feels the charges are unfair or excessive he should take them to small claims court.

He'll lose, but maybe it will make him feel better.

And when all is said and done, they still will not have stolen his motorcycle.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19927459 - 05/01/14 03:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

sonamdrukpa said:
Yet the government is fairly often completely opposed to building or expanding public transportation. :wow:



Why should the government be doing that?  It just puts the taxpayer on the hook for carting losers around



:rolleyes:

Good public transportation is amazing.  The government is already spending an ass ton of taxpayer money on roads.  Spend some on public transit instead.  Not only losers take public transit.  If it was better everyone would take it.  Look at Europe, it works great for them.

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927473 - 05/01/14 04:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Impound more than the bike, then let it go.

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    #19927475 - 05/01/14 04:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

buy a road bicycle and ride


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19927487 - 05/01/14 04:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

sonamdrukpa said:
Yet the government is fairly often completely opposed to building or expanding public transportation. :wow:



Why should the government be doing that?  It just puts the taxpayer on the hook for carting losers around




Because public transportation is a good that no one individual can produce on their own but which creates a lot of economic activity, which benefits everyone.  It's a classic example of the sort of activity governments should engage in.

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luvdemshrooms said:
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sonamdrukpa said:
Fine, I'll play along for a little bit...I've never understood why the law allows the private individuals who run these impound lots to profit, and generally profit excessively, off of the illegal actions of others.  Why don't they allow him to call a towing company himself and "impound" the motorcycle at his house?  Instead they've given someone else a windfall.  At the very least the penalty for his actions should benefit the state.




Some areas do their own towing. Others can't afford to do it so they use contractors.

If he feels the charges are unfair or excessive he should take them to small claims court.

He'll lose, but maybe it will make him feel better.

And when all is said and done, they still will not have stolen his motorcycle.




I've argued my case as for why it's stealing, you haven't countered any of my points.  And the stuff about small claims court is just another example of how screwed up this all is, the laws have been set up to benefit certain private individuals at the expense of others.  Which is arbitrary and wrong and not the sort of thing governments should be in the business of doing.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927497 - 05/01/14 04:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Well you see, it's dangerous to allow people with a license to operate a vehicle that can kill someone.  If someone decides they want to break that law then they have waived the possession of their vehicle.  I'm very glad we tow and impound the vehicles of people who have not proven that they are capable drivers.

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927502 - 05/01/14 04:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I countered all of them in a single sentence.

I'll rephrase... It's not stealing when your bike is impounded after you get pulled over with no license.

The state says if you do X, we will do Y. He did X, they did Y. And it still isn't stealing.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927505 - 05/01/14 04:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

That sucks dude. You got to get that shit out the next day or this shit happens. Shoulda pawned some shit til payday :shrug:


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19927530 - 05/01/14 04:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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sonamdrukpa said:
Yet the government is fairly often completely opposed to building or expanding public transportation. :wow:



Why should the government be doing that?  It just puts the taxpayer on the hook for carting losers around



:rolleyes:

Good public transportation is amazing.  The government is already spending an ass ton of taxpayer money on roads.  Spend some on public transit instead.  Not only losers take public transit.  If it was better everyone would take it.  Look at Europe, it works great for them.



How is it working great for them?  Does the price of the ticket cover the cost of the ride?

Everybody benefits from roads.  Even people who don't drive on them.  How do you think freight gets moved around?


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    #19927541 - 05/01/14 04:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I countered all of them in a single sentence.

I'll rephrase... It's not stealing when your bike is impounded after you get pulled over with no license.

The state says if you do X, we will do Y. He did X, they did Y. And it still isn't stealing.




Just because something's legal doesn't mean it's not stealing.  Neither does the fact that the state said what it was going to do make it not stealing. If I tell you ahead of time that I'm going to break into your car and hotwire it unless X, that doesn't make it not theft if I hotwire it.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927558 - 05/01/14 04:17 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Alas, you don't have the legal authority to do so. That would be stealing.

Which, amazingly enough, is not what happened with his motorcycle.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927563 - 05/01/14 04:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yet the government is fairly often completely opposed to building or expanding public transportation. :wow:



Why should the government be doing that?  It just puts the taxpayer on the hook for carting losers around




Because public transportation is a good that no one individual can produce on their own




Huh?  Ever heard of companies?  They can and do produce far more complex things than public transportation
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but which creates a lot of economic activity, which benefits everyone.




Smashing windows creates economic activity.  It does not benefit everyone.  Why do you have this idiotic notion that taking from some and giving to others benefits everyone?
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It's a classic example of the sort of activity governments should engage in.




It most certainly is not.  It is a classic example of income redistribution.  Something the government should not be engaged in at all.


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    #19927568 - 05/01/14 04:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Everybody benefits from roads.  Even people who don't drive on them.  How do you think freight gets moved around?




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    #19927581 - 05/01/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If 750 is more than its worth it's not worth it. Keep an eye out for auctions for that particular tow company. The ones that don't get paid get auctioned off you could possibly get it back for cheaper.

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    #19927586 - 05/01/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Everybody benefits from roads.  Even people who don't drive on them.  How do you think freight gets moved around?




How do you think the minimum wage store clerks who sell that freight get to their jobs?



Walk or bike?  That's how I did it when I had shitty jobs that couldn't support a car.  There was no public transportation where I lived.


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    #19927615 - 05/01/14 04:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

First off, providing a cheap good to people is not even close to income redistribution.  Second off, a public transportation system that is well designed enough for a large portion of the population to use allows that large portion of the population to get to their jobs, where they produce goods and services, i.e., the basis of all economic activity.

As an additional benefit, public transportation also create a ton of economic efficiency.  It's a lot cheaper for everyone to chip in for a bus ride than for 50 people to drive their own separate cars to work.  That's an unabridged good.


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    #19927641 - 05/01/14 04:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Everybody benefits from roads.  Even people who don't drive on them.  How do you think freight gets moved around?




How do you think the minimum wage store clerks who sell that freight get to their jobs?



Walk or bike?  That's how I did it when I had shitty jobs that couldn't support a car.  There was no public transportation where I lived.




That confines workers to jobs within a couple miles' radius of their homes, if they're healthy.  It's pretty clearly a good thing if people can get to jobs outside of that radius...they have a better chance of a job they're better at and can thus be paid more for, employers have a wider range of candidates to draw from and can thus hire cheaper workers, individuals aren't as subject to the effects of economically depressed areas, etc.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927656 - 05/01/14 04:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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First off, providing a cheap good to people is not even close to income redistribution.  Second off, a public transportation system that is well designed enough for a large portion of the population to use allows that large portion of the population to get to their jobs, where they produce goods and services, i.e., the basis of all economic activity.

As an additional benefit, public transportation also create a ton of economic efficiency.  It's a lot cheaper for everyone to chip in for a bus ride than for 50 people to drive their own separate cars to work.  That's an unabridged good.



All very good points.

Often zappa makes good arguments but this is certainly not one of them.

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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19927677 - 05/01/14 04:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

OK so i guess shes a gonner U-U...school is 35miles away for me.
i dont mind taking the bus. my education is important to me. its just
unfortunate the police officer had to tow it. i was 3 blocks from my house.
you may say its not stealing and well i see where the officer was just.
but sigh...RIP Moto Rip

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    #19927709 - 05/01/14 04:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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First off, providing a cheap good to people is not even close to income redistribution. 




The good they are providing is NOT cheap and the people using it do not pay for it.
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Second off, a public transportation system that is well designed enough for a large portion of the population to use allows that large portion of the population to get to their jobs, where they produce goods and services, i.e., the basis of all economic activity.




I repeat myself, I managed to get to my shit jobs without it.
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As an additional benefit, public transportation also create a ton of economic efficiency.  It's a lot cheaper for everyone to chip in for a bus ride than for 50 people to drive their own separate cars to work.  That's an unabridged good.




So what about car pooling and walking and biking?  If public transportation broke even I would agree with you.  But it doesn't even come close and the people who pay the subsidies for it don't use it.  It is definitively in efficient economically.  You have this notion, Komrade, that what is good for some is good for all even if the some do not pay for what they get.  This is bummmitude.


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    #19927733 - 05/01/14 04:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Everybody benefits from roads.  Even people who don't drive on them.  How do you think freight gets moved around?




How do you think the minimum wage store clerks who sell that freight get to their jobs?



Walk or bike?  That's how I did it when I had shitty jobs that couldn't support a car.  There was no public transportation where I lived.




That confines workers to jobs within a couple miles' radius of their homes, if they're healthy.  It's pretty clearly a good thing if people can get to jobs outside of that radius...they have a better chance of a job they're better at and can thus be paid more for, employers have a wider range of candidates to draw from and can thus hire cheaper workers, individuals aren't as subject to the effects of economically depressed areas, etc.




I went all over Buffalo on my bike with me tool belt over my shoulder.  If you don't like your economically depressed area MOVE.  I did.  I would also direct your attention to a map of the US.  What about all the people who live in little to medium towns where the cost of public transportation would be insane? 

You just want taxpayers to buy you shit.


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    #19927748 - 05/01/14 04:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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First off, providing a cheap good to people is not even close to income redistribution.  Second off, a public transportation system that is well designed enough for a large portion of the population to use allows that large portion of the population to get to their jobs, where they produce goods and services, i.e., the basis of all economic activity.

As an additional benefit, public transportation also create a ton of economic efficiency.  It's a lot cheaper for everyone to chip in for a bus ride than for 50 people to drive their own separate cars to work.  That's an unabridged good.



All very good points.

Often zappa makes good arguments but this is certainly not one of them.



I fail to see the public good that comes from a system of transportation that is based on subsidies paid by people who do not use the service.  It is good for some but it is it good for all?  If it was efficient it wouldn't need subsidies.  The existence of subsidies is a dead give away that the system is flawed.  The people who use it should pay the full cost.


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    #19927752 - 05/01/14 04:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Good for you grandpa. I'm sure it was nice when picture shows cost a nickel too.


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    #19927786 - 05/01/14 05:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

It was a nice bike.  Panasonic ten speed with the skinny tires.  There were none of these fancy new city bikes with fat tires and shock absorbers and shit.  After somebody stole it I got a Takara that was even better.  I rode that all over Lexington KY to get to work.  Amazing what a person can do when he doesn't demand that others take care of him.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19927799 - 05/01/14 05:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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First off, providing a cheap good to people is not even close to income redistribution.  Second off, a public transportation system that is well designed enough for a large portion of the population to use allows that large portion of the population to get to their jobs, where they produce goods and services, i.e., the basis of all economic activity.

As an additional benefit, public transportation also create a ton of economic efficiency.  It's a lot cheaper for everyone to chip in for a bus ride than for 50 people to drive their own separate cars to work.  That's an unabridged good.



All very good points.

Often zappa makes good arguments but this is certainly not one of them.



I fail to see the public good that comes from a system of transportation that is based on subsidies paid by people who do not use the service.  It is good for some but it is it good for all?  If it was efficient it wouldn't need subsidies.  The existence of subsidies is a dead give away that the system is flawed.  The people who use it should pay the full cost.



Why does it have to be paid by people who don't use the service?  If the service was better, more people would use it, and it wouldn't need subsidies.  The issue is that way, way, way too much money is focused on cars when it should be poured into public transit.

I make plenty of money, pay my taxes, and use the system.  You act like once you make enough money you are "above" using public transit.  Get over yourself.

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    #19927822 - 05/01/14 05:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I went all over Buffalo on my bike with me tool belt over my shoulder.  If you don't like your economically depressed area MOVE.  I did.  I would also direct your attention to a map of the US.  What about all the people who live in little to medium towns where the cost of public transportation would be insane? 

You just want taxpayers to buy you shit.




LOL at telling people who are broke and can't find a good job to move.  Moving's expensive.

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First off, providing a cheap good to people is not even close to income redistribution. 




The good they are providing is NOT cheap and the people using it do not pay for it.




The same goes for bridges, public schools, armies, etc.  Basically every single thing the government does.  I'm on your side if you're down for some old-fashioned anarchy though.


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Second off, a public transportation system that is well designed enough for a large portion of the population to use allows that large portion of the population to get to their jobs, where they produce goods and services, i.e., the basis of all economic activity.




I repeat myself, I managed to get to my shit jobs without it.




This thought process is just completely constipated.  :rimshot: Just because you managed to do something one way has no bearing on whether or not doing it a different way also works well.

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As an additional benefit, public transportation also create a ton of economic efficiency.  It's a lot cheaper for everyone to chip in for a bus ride than for 50 people to drive their own separate cars to work.  That's an unabridged good.




So what about car pooling and walking and biking?  If public transportation broke even I would agree with you.  But it doesn't even come close and the people who pay the subsidies for it don't use it.  It is definitively in efficient economically.  You have this notion, Komrade, that what is good for some is good for all even if the some do not pay for what they get.  This is bummmitude.




Carpooling is not nearly as effective as a bus.

Don't worry Ayn, the supermen who shoulder most of the initial investment costs of public transportation get paid off when the peons are able to come visit their businesses and buy their goods and services.


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    #19927847 - 05/01/14 05:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Why does it have to be paid by people who don't use the service? 




Because if they raise the ticket price to what it costs a lot of people would find another way.
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If the service was better, more people would use it, and it wouldn't need subsidies.




What makes you think this?  Public transportation in NYC is fully utilized.  It still needs subsidies.  A lot of them. 
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The issue is that way, way, way too much money is focused on cars when it should be poured into public transit.




over 90% of the area of the US could never use public transportation.  It isn't dense enough to ever come close to supporting it and yet their taxes go to cities to support it.
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I make plenty of money, pay my taxes, and use the system.  You act like once you make enough money you are "above" using public transit.  Get over yourself.




I use it occasionally.  Above it?  If you made enough money that you didn't have to use it you wouldn't either.  It is uncomfortable and there are a lot of assholes on it.


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    #19927883 - 05/01/14 05:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I went all over Buffalo on my bike with me tool belt over my shoulder.  If you don't like your economically depressed area MOVE.  I did.  I would also direct your attention to a map of the US.  What about all the people who live in little to medium towns where the cost of public transportation would be insane? 

You just want taxpayers to buy you shit.




LOL at telling people who are broke and can't find a good job to move.  Moving's expensive.




I did it.  Twice.  maybe if you had less shit to move it wouldn't be so expensive.
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First off, providing a cheap good to people is not even close to income redistribution. 




The good they are providing is NOT cheap and the people using it do not pay for it.




The same goes for bridges, public schools, armies, etc.  Basically every single thing the government does.  I'm on your side if you're down for some old-fashioned anarchy though.




Armies?  Everybody uses armies.  I agree about public schools.  Bridges can be tolled.  Anarchy?  Be still my heart.  I would rule a state
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Second off, a public transportation system that is well designed enough for a large portion of the population to use allows that large portion of the population to get to their jobs, where they produce goods and services, i.e., the basis of all economic activity.




I repeat myself, I managed to get to my shit jobs without it.




This thought process is just completely constipated.  :rimshot: Just because you managed to do something one way has no bearing on whether or not doing it a different way also works well.




But it doesn't "also work well" because the taxpayer has to pay for part of your fare.  If it worked well the taxpayer wouldn't be on the hook.  That is the definition of fail.
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As an additional benefit, public transportation also create a ton of economic efficiency.  It's a lot cheaper for everyone to chip in for a bus ride than for 50 people to drive their own separate cars to work.  That's an unabridged good.




So what about car pooling and walking and biking?  If public transportation broke even I would agree with you.  But it doesn't even come close and the people who pay the subsidies for it don't use it.  It is definitively in efficient economically.  You have this notion, Komrade, that what is good for some is good for all even if the some do not pay for what they get.  This is bummmitude.




Carpooling is not nearly as effective as a bus.




Of course it is.  A bus just does one route.  Carpooling can be flexible.  Also not as smelly.
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Don't worry Ayn, the supermen who shoulder most of the initial investment costs of public transportation get paid off when the peons are able to come visit their businesses and buy their goods and services.




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    #19927885 - 05/01/14 05:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Areas that aren't dense don't really benefit from public transportation, but they generally don't have it either.  I don't see the problem.

NYC should subsidize its public transportation MORE.  Its roads are much too congested and it's a net negative for everyone when delivery people who are generating a couple of bucks of surplus economic activity an hour are clogging the same road as the businessmen whose hour is worth a couple hundred.  Losing a buck or two on the cost of a train ticket is well worth it when you consider all the negative externalities involved in people not riding the subway.


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    #19927887 - 05/01/14 05:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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If the service was better, more people would use it, and it wouldn't need subsidies.




What makes you think this?  Public transportation in NYC is fully utilized.  It still needs subsidies.  A lot of them.



And how well do you think NYC would function without public transit?  I'll give you a hint - very, very poorly.  There's no other way to efficiently move that many people around in a city as dense as NYC.

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    #19927902 - 05/01/14 05:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Areas that aren't dense don't really benefit from public transportation, but they generally don't have it either.  I don't see the problem.




You're right.  They don't have it.  But their tax dollars subsidize it in cities.
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NYC should subsidize its public transportation MORE.  Its roads are much too congested and it's a net negative for everyone when delivery people who are generating a couple of bucks of surplus economic activity an hour are clogging the same road as the businessmen whose hour is worth a couple hundred.  Losing a buck or two on the cost of a train ticket is well worth it when you consider all the negative externalities involved in people not riding the subway.




NYC should raise the price of a subway and bus ride to cover the cost of the subway and bus ride.  Period.  Then we'll see what kind of "externalities" arise.


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    #19927926 - 05/01/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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LOL at telling people who are broke and can't find a good job to move.  Moving's expensive.




I did it.  Twice.  maybe if you had less shit to move it wouldn't be so expensive.




NOT EVERYONE IS YOU GET OVER IT GEEZ

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They never make it up.  Not even close.




Why don't all the businessmen quit and go off to their own private island then and only interact with each other then?  Face it, economic demand for certain types of things only exists in civilizations  with large populations, and those large populations need certain amenities to not descend into economic depression/chaos.  Even the man selling luxury yachts to billionaires can't get by without the unwashed masses forming the base of the pyramid.


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    #19927939 - 05/01/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Areas that aren't dense don't really benefit from public transportation, but they generally don't have it either.  I don't see the problem.




You're right.  They don't have it.  But their tax dollars subsidize it in cities.




The suburbs ride on the economic coattails of the cities and so do the rural communities that sell their goods mainly to the urban dwellers.  I would go so far as to say when NYC runs more efficiently the entire planet runs more efficiently.

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NYC should subsidize its public transportation MORE.  Its roads are much too congested and it's a net negative for everyone when delivery people who are generating a couple of bucks of surplus economic activity an hour are clogging the same road as the businessmen whose hour is worth a couple hundred.  Losing a buck or two on the cost of a train ticket is well worth it when you consider all the negative externalities involved in people not riding the subway.




NYC should raise the price of a subway and bus ride to cover the cost of the subway and bus ride.  Period.  Then we'll see what kind of "externalities" arise.




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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19928019 - 05/01/14 05:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Areas that aren't dense don't really benefit from public transportation, but they generally don't have it either.  I don't see the problem.




You're right.  They don't have it.  But their tax dollars subsidize it in cities.




The suburbs ride on the economic coattails of the cities and so do the rural communities that sell their goods mainly to the urban dwellers.  I would go so far as to say when NYC runs more efficiently the entire planet runs more efficiently.




I do not believe the suburbs ride on the coattails of the city and you have to be incredibly ill informed to think that most of the people in the cities pay for shit.  It is a very tiny portion of city residents who pay for most of the services.  Everybody else is a freeloader.
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NYC should subsidize its public transportation MORE.  Its roads are much too congested and it's a net negative for everyone when delivery people who are generating a couple of bucks of surplus economic activity an hour are clogging the same road as the businessmen whose hour is worth a couple hundred.  Losing a buck or two on the cost of a train ticket is well worth it when you consider all the negative externalities involved in people not riding the subway.






NYC should raise the price of a subway and bus ride to cover the cost of the subway and bus ride.  Period.  Then we'll see what kind of "externalities" arise.




Did you at all read what I wrote?




Yeah, Karl, I read what you wrote.  I think it is bullshit interference with the market.  The market would adjust.


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Re: Motorcycle impounded Help! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19928187 - 05/01/14 06:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The market would adjust by collapsing.

The rich freeload off the existence of a large consumer base that they did not personally fornicate into existence.


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