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InvisibleHertyar
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How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present???
    #1991698 - 10/09/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well I've searched the forum and couldn't find any tips on this. My friend has a few jars ready to berth and two of them already have pins. He definitely wants to dunk and roll. Should he just wipe the verm off the pins after word or try to avoid getting verm on them at all?
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    #1991913 - 10/09/03 02:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: Tremor1127]
    #1992855 - 10/09/03 11:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have pins that started yesterday... for some reason right after tremor said its less than a week away from flushing I got really happy (even though I already knew that)


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: Hertyar]
    #1993086 - 10/09/03 01:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well I'd do the dunk and roll. Before birthing and after each flush. I will garentee that you will see a difference.
The verm on the outside of the cake isn't to replace lost moisture but to give the growing shrooms a source of moisture to draw from.
Simply put, you want bigger flushes and shrooms, do a dunk and roll or dunk and case.


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: Magash]
    #1993201 - 10/09/03 02:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

My friend followed Magash on the dunk & roll at birth and got this  :smile:
 

What great advice!


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: shroomstruck]
    #1993222 - 10/09/03 02:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You should try dunk & case 8- )


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: sea_of_weed]
    #1993281 - 10/09/03 02:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Why dont you just case? I have gotten up to 30 shrooms with casing a half pint grain cake and I added a little bit of gypsum.


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: THATS iT!]
    #1993403 - 10/09/03 03:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

My friend is trying each of these things for the experience!

That pf cake did get almost 30 shrooms and the top ones continued growing  after that pic. :smile: 


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: Magash]
    #1993974 - 10/09/03 05:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Wait - I thought the dunk & roll was for after the second or third flush - can you (or should you, rather) do it even *before* pins appear? friend of mine has new cakes in incubator, have been in there for about 6 days, no pins yet... should she dunk and roll now or wait till later?


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: trouted]
    #1994010 - 10/09/03 05:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, dunking just after birth will improve the 1st flush.

What I do if there's pins is just dunk for 8-12 hours (longer will kill the pins) and then roll, avoiding the pins.  Overall yields will be better and you should get everything out of the cakes quicker... saving yourself measly 4th flushes, allowing less time to contam, and more time for your next set of jars.  :smile:


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: Tantalus]
    #1994035 - 10/09/03 05:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So If I'm understanding correctly, once my jars are ready to be birthed, I dunk and cold shock each jar, for 24 hours, then once thats done, roll them all in steril (dry?) verm and then do so after each flush as well? do you cold shock after each flush, or is the cold shock just for the first time?


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: Tantalus]
    #1994036 - 10/09/03 05:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Can someone direct me to where the dunk and roll method is taught?


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: trouted]
    #1994046 - 10/09/03 05:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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trouted said:
Wait - I thought the dunk & roll was for after the second or third flush - can you (or should you, rather) do it even *before* pins appear? friend of mine has new cakes in incubator, have been in there for about 6 days, no pins yet... should she dunk and roll now or wait till later?



If you dunked now your substrate would just.....be real wet and nothing will grow...wait til after its completely colonized...all covered in mycelium


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: floridaboi101]
    #1994052 - 10/09/03 05:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Can you dunk and not roll in verm?


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: floridaboi101]
    #1995160 - 10/09/03 10:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

floridaboi: excuse me, i meant to say that the cakes are colonized and in the terrarium. should she dunk & roll now or wait till at least after the first flush?


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: trouted]
    #1995249 - 10/09/03 11:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If the pins are very small still you can do it now, if there are shrooms starting wait.


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: 5m0k3]
    #1995734 - 10/10/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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5m0k3 said:
Can someone direct me to where the dunk and roll method is taught?




http://www.mycotopia.net/teks/dunktek.html

It doesn't include the roll part but the roll is pretty much covered in this thread. Just roll cake in verm (i've seen recomendations for both wet and dry, so take your pick) or spoon on some verm after you have dunked


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: Hertyar]
    #1996787 - 10/10/03 12:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm still kind of unclear as to why one should dunk & roll *before* cakes have even gone through the first flush - isn't the intention of the tek to replace lost water?

Also: does anyone know if this tek decreases potency at all?


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Re: How to Dunk/Roll when a few Pins already present??? [Re: trouted]
    #1997014 - 10/10/03 02:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The dunk replaces the water used during colonization and the verm gives the growing shrooms moisture to draw from. Both things lead to bigger shrooms and bigger flushes.


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