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Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) * 10
    #19907089 - 04/27/14 12:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I have recently made some improvements to the bucket tek. With these modifications it is now quite easy to maintain proper pasteurisation temperatures using a bucket. This tek will pasteurise enough substrate for a 66 quart mono.

You will need:
1 - 650 gram brick of coir
2 - Quarts of vermiculite
1 - Handful of gypsum
2 - 5 gallon pails
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2 - Large pots for heating water
1 - Sleeping bag or thick blanket

I had not originally planed on writing this so I do not have pictures of every step at this point.

Place one brick of coir into a 5 gallon pail and break it up using a knife or flat head screwdriver. If you stick the knife/screwdriver into the side of the brick you can easily pry the layers apart. Once the coir is broken up add 2 quarts of vermiculite and a handful of gypsum. Then mix it all together well.


Take two large pots and fill each one with 5 quarts of hot water. Place them an your stove and turn it to high. Use a meat thermometer to monitor the water's temperature. When it reaches 170 remove it from the heat.

Pour the water from pot #1 into pail #1. Then place pail #2 into pail #1. This step will help your substrate maintain its temperature threw out the process.



Now pour half of the water from pot #2 into pail #2 and mix it in well. Now add the other half of the water from pot #2 and mix it again.

At this point the temperature of your substrate should be in the mid 160s. I like to check it in the center and on the outer edge of the substrate.



Now set a timer for 1 hour. Put a lid over the top of your pail and wrap it in a sleeping bag or thick blanket.



When the timer goes of open your pail and check the temperature again if you did everything correctly your temperature at the outside edge should still be above 140. You can check the temperature in the center as well but it will always be slightly higher so there's really no need.


Take off the sleeping bag and lay the lid on loosely while it cools for several hours. Once cool you will still want to check the moisture content before you use it. Mix your substrate well and pick up a handful. It should be somewhat fluffy and no water should drip from it. Give it a good squeeze and a small short lived stream should drip out. If your substrate is to wet just squeeze out the excess water.



well so far so good. these are the two subs I made using this tek for the first time.

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I have now used this method several times with different amounts of substrate. I have also used it with additives like coffee and manure. So far so good.


A few people have now successfully used this method with manure.




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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19907104 - 04/27/14 12:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:rockon:
Never really thought about that!

Im in the process of hooking up the heating element from a crock pot, into the bottom of a large pot.
Hopefully the resistor i have will be able to set the thermostat temp to 165, then set bags of whatever in it and walk away haha

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blojo02184]
    #19907137 - 04/27/14 12:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Your method seems to be a cheaper alternative to maintaining temperature than something I had been thinking about. I was going to make a koozie for the bucket out of reflectix. The stuff works really well at maintaining temps. Heck I still might do it, but I like your method a little better I think. Seems to be cost effective.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Asura]
    #19907153 - 04/27/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I had originally been thinking about some type of heating element but this just seemed so simple.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka] * 1
    #19907172 - 04/27/14 12:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

oh, defeinitely more simple!!!!

My invention is like every other. Some lazy asshole trying to get out of more work :tongue:

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blojo02184]
    #19907216 - 04/27/14 01:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Keeping temperature in bucket is very easy. I suggest filling bucket with as much substrate as possible as it will cool down much slower.  When i pasteurize pellets i always end up with bucket filled with substrate. I usually put them in big plastic box and temperature doesnt drop for even 2 degres celsium actually. Its easy, you just have to play around a bit to figure out details.

I also cool down substrate in cool water because the temperatures wont drop with full bucket. (i dont drop substrate in water ofc, i put it in trashbags and trashbags go in water).

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: dusttodust]
    #19907418 - 04/27/14 01:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I just don't like to fill a bucket much more than halfway with substrate or it gets a bit hard to mix it up without making a mess.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19907472 - 04/27/14 02:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Good stuff, I need to find my buckets now :lol:

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19907514 - 04/27/14 02:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nice looks very easy

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: piratez] * 1
    #19907561 - 04/27/14 02:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Is there a way to use this tech with crumbled cakes. Is there a link to a tech that explains how to do this?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: mycology]
    #19907578 - 04/27/14 02:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

it's as easy as you just typed it, crumble your cakes to your bulk and you can follow and spawning tek, just remember it's about 3 cakes to each qt of grain so if a recipe calls for five qts of grain spawn you want about 15 cakes


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: mycology]
    #19907593 - 04/27/14 02:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You can use this tek to prep your substrate and then use crumbled cakes as spawn. I don't know of any teks specific to using cakes as spawn but you could use a standard mono tub tek and replace the grain spawn with cakes.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19907708 - 04/27/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:ohokayigetit:

Great Mudafuka!!!!

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #19908041 - 04/27/14 03:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

awesome!


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19908085 - 04/27/14 04:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanx guys. The write up is a bit shabby but the method seems viable so I will likely clean up the tek a little later on.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19908557 - 04/27/14 05:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Lol at first I thought you had snuck in my garage and seen this


Wrapped an old towel round the bucket and sealed in tape I had no use for.
Never bothered insulating the lid, just flipped it lid side down.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: maddchef]
    #19908564 - 04/27/14 05:43 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nice.:raisemyglass:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19959845 - 05/08/14 04:37 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I just used this for my first mono tub I'm doing. Dude good thinking mudafuka this shit was simple simple. Poured my water about 165 then wrapped my set up with two 3x15' pieces of padding from under my old carpet, one over the top, the other around the sides to hold everything together and put a big rock on top. an hour later I was a little under 145, nice water content. Siskel and ebert :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #19959967 - 05/08/14 05:10 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

the sisk was rocked international status like bieber


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: cronicr]
    #19959987 - 05/08/14 05:16 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Hahaha word..good to know, that shit was drilled into my head since I was just a little guy

Edit: f'in grammar

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #19961415 - 05/08/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

cool mdhamer let us know how it works grow wise!  i have hopes of doing this with poo/straw/coir...but the straw i guess gotta be cut real well/presoaked


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19961456 - 05/08/14 10:54 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I will. I just looked over at my tub and realized I forgot a liner...I know it can work but fuck man. It's only just spawned but I have no plastic. My trash bags are some crazy scented things my wife buys. I'm just Rollin with it for now. I knew I'd forget something

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #19961470 - 05/08/14 10:58 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

meh, not the worst thing u could have forgotten.  i forgot to add half my spawn one time to a tub.  mixed it all, cut the liner, put on lid, taped the holes, put it in my room and came back to clean up.  4 qts sitting there, shaken and ready to use :facepalm:  i was pissed, had to redo the entire thing.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19961519 - 05/08/14 11:12 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

:rofl:  That's a good one, I got one pf grow w/ some little trays and this so I been watching and tracking that spawn like gold

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #19962362 - 05/09/14 04:45 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Simple?  How about just using a big enough pot, boiling the water, turning off the heat, and adding the coir/verm/gypsum.  Stir occasionally.  You can leave it on the warm stove for a while to keep it warmer.  After it cools, which takes several hours, dump most of the mix into your mono tub and mix in the spawn.  Save a little for casing if you like.

Yea, basically I don't even see the need for a bucket at all if you have a 5 gallon or so pot.  Just mix everything directly into the pot the water is boiled in.

Also, I don't use bags, just dark tubs.  Ambient light comes through a plexiglass window in the lid.  I use 8 big polyfilled holes, but only on the backside.  If you put a tub up on a high shelf it looks like normal storage bin

I'm sure you can get better yields, but you still get multiple dry oz with so little effort, in a fairly stealthy tub.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: AllGreyThumbs] * 1
    #19963463 - 05/09/14 12:00 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

ya know the first"bucket tek" was done in a pc, damion just did it in a bucket and slapped his name on there, just a fun fact for the day:lol:


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    #19964086 - 05/09/14 03:07 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20017457 - 05/20/14 09:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I have now used this tek a few times with coir/verm and twice with subs containing manure. So far nothing has contaminated.
Hears some pix of the subs from my first run with this method.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: cronicr]
    #20017473 - 05/20/14 09:39 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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ya know the first"bucket tek" was done in a pc, damion just did it in a bucket and slapped his name on there, just a fun fact for the day:lol:




Pics or it didn't happen. :derp:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20017522 - 05/20/14 09:49 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I used this tek for my CVG and the temps stayed perfect but I hear folks sterilize that without problems, I'm glad to hear you got success with manure though. I live near an island with wild horses everywhere so ima be rolling in shit soon and this tek is too easy

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20017564 - 05/20/14 09:58 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I haven't gotten any fruits from my manure subs yet but they are fully colonised and in fruiting conditions.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20017804 - 05/20/14 10:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Well post if anything happens I'm interested but I really don't see any reason it wouldn't  pasteurize as well as jars in a pot. I measured temps all over and everything was good

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20017869 - 05/20/14 10:59 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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ya know the first"bucket tek" was done in a pc, damion just did it in a bucket and slapped his name on there, just a fun fact for the day:lol:




Pics or it didn't happen. :derp:



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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: maddchef]
    #20020684 - 05/21/14 03:31 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Lol at first I thought you had snuck in my garage and seen this


Wrapped an old towel round the bucket and sealed in tape I had no use for.
Never bothered insulating the lid, just flipped it lid side down.




did this today for my stepup from monobuckets to tubs.

wraped in a towel, taped the whole thing up.

yesterday i poured water heated to 170 into it, measure how much the temp changed from pot to bucket just after pour, was about 6 degrees in my case, so today i heated the water to 176, poured it in, put the lid on and throw a blanket on top (didnt flip it lid side down), came back 90 mins later and it was still at 147.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Johnny Dont]
    #20020968 - 05/21/14 04:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

:hi: madchef!  I was just thinking about u earlier todayt.

BL!!!!  I just got your big ass envelope today.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20141062 - 06/16/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I did this again two days ago and it held pasteurization temperature for 150 degrees at the edge of the bucket for the entire 90 minutes.

Seriously. The temperature did not drop below 150 at the edge until I took off the blanket for good to let it start cooling down.

The blanket makes a hell of a difference. I did it before with no blanket and I saw temperatures at the edge drop below 140. The blanket works.

Also, I use 2 quarts of EWC when I do this so I use 3 cups more water.

I've done three tubs with this. Two are at full colonization and the one from two days ago is going to be fully colonized tomorrow (I used 7 quarts of spawn so it's going hella fast)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20141090 - 06/16/14 06:53 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

nice tiger!!  I'm glad u did it with the EWC too and it worked!!


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    #20141101 - 06/16/14 06:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Thanx man. I'm glad you like it. I have used it with a mix of coir and other things like composted manure and coffee. Soon I will try it with a no coir just poo/coffee/verm.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20141645 - 06/16/14 08:32 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

This is pretty awesome, I been using Frank's bucket tek to 100% success so far.  I do fear I won't always have that percentage tag however.  I'm definitely going to try this.  Awesome!  Bookmarked

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20322661 - 07/24/14 06:03 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Does coir have beneficial bacteria or not? It's widely thought that it doesn't, and if this is the case than it wouldn't benefit from pasteurization.

I did find this in the wikipedia for coir but I don't what to make of it: Coconut coir from Mexico has been found to contain large numbers of colonies of the beneficial fungus Aspergillus terreus, which acts as a biological control against plant pathogenic fungi.[6]

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20322855 - 07/24/14 06:37 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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I did find this in the wikipedia for coir but I don't what to make of it: Coconut coir from Mexico has been found to contain large numbers of colonies of the beneficial fungus Aspergillus terreus, which acts as a biological control against plant pathogenic fungi.[6]




That's why I started to sterilize my coir in the first place. That and the trich that you can smell on it sometimes. Though my last 8 subs were just bucketed cause its just easier.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20322886 - 07/24/14 06:42 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I've sterilized coir in the past and had no problems :shrug:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20322891 - 07/24/14 06:43 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

that's why I use buckets. It's so fucking easy.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20322896 - 07/24/14 06:43 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

You are fucking kidding me... FRom mexico? Everytime i hate more this country.

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    #20322932 - 07/24/14 06:48 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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You are fucking kidding me... FRom mexico? Everytime i hate more this country.




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    #20322944 - 07/24/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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I did find this in the wikipedia for coir but I don't what to make of it: Coconut coir from Mexico has been found to contain large numbers of colonies of the beneficial fungus Aspergillus terreus, which acts as a biological control against plant pathogenic fungi.[6]




That's why I started to sterilize my coir in the first place. That and the trich that you can smell on it sometimes. Though my last 8 subs were just bucketed cause its just easier.




You actually smell trich on your coir sometimes? The coconut smell or the dirt smell? I'm guessing the dirt smell.

Doesn't coir already smell like dirt(trich smell) anyways? I always figured my coir smelled like trich by default...now you have me wondering.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20322990 - 07/24/14 06:55 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Don't worry about it. Coir is pretty hard to fuck up.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20323005 - 07/24/14 06:57 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Don't worry about it. Coir is pretty hard to fuck up.



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    #20323259 - 07/24/14 07:43 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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    #20405476 - 08/11/14 07:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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    #20426143 - 08/16/14 07:47 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure how I missed this. But better late than never.

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    #20476813 - 08/25/14 08:56 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Because I can, this needs to get bookmarked by everyone.  For real

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Dilated]
    #20476822 - 08/25/14 08:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:raisemyglass:Thanx buddy. glad you like it.


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    #20476852 - 08/25/14 09:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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:raisemyglass:Thanx buddy. glad you like it.




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Bucket tek is a God send for me.  Saving time in cultivation (not cutting corners) is how a cultivator can truly hone in his/her's craft.

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    #20476865 - 08/25/14 09:05 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I'm all about saving time and energy. If my bottle grow works out my next tek will save a lot more of both.


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    #20476977 - 08/25/14 09:29 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

i almost did this tonight (with coir/poo) and then pussied out :facepalm:

don't hate me. 

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    #20477002 - 08/25/14 09:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I know it feels really wrong putting poo in a bucket. I bitched out the first time to.:lol: I cant even do this tek anymore (at least until I get some more buckets). I repurposed my buckets for part of my next tek.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20477365 - 08/25/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

ur a beast dude :rockon:

i hope ur new TEK will put my buckets to use!!  they just see straw these days, and sometimes coir.


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    #20477378 - 08/25/14 10:47 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Me to man. I'm so hopeful that this works out I may lose my shit a little bit if it fails.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20477416 - 08/25/14 10:54 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

said what?!?!?

man, knowing you, this has gotta be good


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    #20477436 - 08/25/14 11:00 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure it will meet its fair share of opposition and take some time to catch on but if it works like I think it will this is the way all our grand kids will grow cubes.


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    #20477447 - 08/25/14 11:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

i hope they (and by "they" i mean "we"  :wink:  ) sell commercial cubensis LC's by then.

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    #20477474 - 08/25/14 11:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: One can only hope.


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    #20477679 - 08/26/14 12:03 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20478517 - 08/26/14 08:34 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure it will meet its fair share of opposition and take some time to catch on but if it works like I think it will this is the way all our grand kids will grow cubes.




Hey Muda, you know you wrote a good tek when I haven't even posted here
before I linked it in my sig.

Adding the outter bucket is brilliant, I've used this method every time
I've bucket'ed coir and the temps have always been in range.
Tried maybe 10 readings from every bucket, still haven't tried manure tho :crazy:

When I started doing the regular bucket tek my temps had often dropped
a bit when I was finished mixing the sub up,
but when you add hot water in a second bucket I never need to worry about not cooking a sub well enough!

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    #20478595 - 08/26/14 09:14 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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but when you add hot water in a second bucket I never need to worry about not cooking a sub well enough!




what!  i never noticed that in this tek.  brilliant!

i always put a bucket inside another one anyway, but i like the added hot water.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20478691 - 08/26/14 09:58 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

When using plastic buckets you can add water near boiling temp in the outter bucket
without worrying too much about the heat conductivity.

I havent tried using metal pots or anything other than plastic but in theory it could hold and transfer so much heat things could get screwed up.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: spacechildo]
    #20479525 - 08/26/14 02:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I've used poo several time now, and I used the bucket for a bunch of peat casing for my tamp and atl buckets and my tubs coming up. Everything clean so far even in fruiting.

Hey leaf I got a tamp pin man! It's only one so far but I think a few more will come and I just wanted to get some spores anyway from them. There is stones forming all over the bucket though that isolate is cool

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20480229 - 08/26/14 05:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

nice dude!!
i wanna try spawning it again i think cause it pinned on a plate like crazy recently, which it never did before :shrug:



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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20483929 - 08/27/14 12:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

  still nothing from the atl though

And here's two tubs I bucketed hpoo for, they are fucking rip roaring dude the first one is at two days from spawning the second is on it's third day


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20485549 - 08/27/14 06:57 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

That shit is looking good.:thumbup:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20489585 - 08/28/14 03:28 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome, simple, tek Muda! :thumbup: I'll be trying this out soon as I can.

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    #20499005 - 08/30/14 06:48 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Just did this with hpoo, worked perfect and I'll have pics soon


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    #20499475 - 08/30/14 08:55 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

:rockon:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20525757 - 09/05/14 08:44 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

This looks awesome. Could i use colonized wbs with this??


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    #20525762 - 09/05/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20525911 - 09/05/14 09:13 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So we have to name this. Fuck the improved bucket tek. I vote for the BIBP. Bucket in Bucket Pasterization.

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    #20525941 - 09/05/14 09:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20526011 - 09/05/14 09:36 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If the point is to maintain heat, why not boil water to 212? That's boiling temp right? Is it gonna ruin coir verm if it's too hot??

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: cinderblock]
    #20526020 - 09/05/14 09:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No but I just used coir verm for the initial run the point of this tek is to maintain proper pasteurisation temps so that it can be used with additives and other subs like manure.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20526110 - 09/05/14 09:58 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I actually second the mudabuka tek.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Sockadin]
    #20528382 - 09/06/14 12:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yah. If you guys don't like the name Ill change it. I need to go in and update and clean the tek up a bit at some point anyway.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20528401 - 09/06/14 12:34 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

i cant really think of a good name to call besides what it is...i think it will start to catch on more though now with a few different folks using it. ill mke a little thread with all the subs and casings ive done with it that have hpoo and all that in them maybe.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20528413 - 09/06/14 12:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

That would be cool.:raisemyglass: I would love to see more people use it for things aside from coir. That's why I think I will re writhe parts of it to make it more about the process than the actual materials being used.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20528433 - 09/06/14 12:45 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

why wrap your bucket in blankets and stuff,
when you can simply plop it in another bucket of hot water?

Now I can mix the verm+coir real nice and as slow as I want without fearing for the temps.
(with cvg atleast), and I think I've done this 8-10 times with CVG now
and had perfect temps all over the bucket every single time in every single spot.

I hope its alright with you that I link to it in my sig Muda?
If not then you just have to deal with it, nothing I can do now, my sig is fucked and I had
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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: spacechildo]
    #20528467 - 09/06/14 12:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No man I was glad to see it there.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: spacechildo]
    #20528476 - 09/06/14 12:56 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

:super:

simplest way to make 10qt's substrate in an hour, no doubt!

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20528819 - 09/06/14 02:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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No but I just used coir verm for the initial run the point of this tek is to maintain proper pasteurisation temps so that it can be used with additives and other subs like manure.




Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification.

Is there a reason why you take the water off the heat at 170? Why not pour water into bucket at 212?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: cinderblock]
    #20528874 - 09/06/14 02:50 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

with this method its possible to properly pasteruize in a bucket...you dont wanna use boiling water because pasterurization is done between 140-160 for an hour, you cant go higher (for more than a few minutes) or lower or your sub may contam (if its anything other than coir/verm)

that said im not sure how much temp difference the outer bucket would make inside if you added hotter water. i think i may put it at about 180 or maybe 185 and do a test.

ive used this a few times now with hpoo and my subs are fine but some finished there run in the bucket at 140f and id rather have it around 150 or so just to feel safer.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20528933 - 09/06/14 03:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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with this method its possible to properly pasteruize in a bucket...you dont wanna use boiling water because pasterurization is done between 140-160 for an hour, you cant go higher (for more than a few minutes) or lower or your sub may contam (if its anything other than coir/verm)

that said im not sure how much temp difference the outer bucket would make inside if you added hotter water. i think i may put it at about 180 or maybe 185 and do a test.

ive used this a few times now with hpoo and my subs are fine but some finished there run in the bucket at 140f and id rather have it around 150 or so just to feel safer.




I don't even understand the science of that... 140 - 160 is good, but 180 will contaminate it? Are there contaminants that like that high of a temp?? Or possibly the substrate gets weakened by high temp, and therefore more susceptible to contam? Or maybe 180 is borderline sterilization, which makes it vulnerable... egad.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: cinderblock]
    #20528957 - 09/06/14 03:10 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you understand what pasteurisation is. When you pasteurise you are killing harmful contaminants like mold while allowing helpful bacteria to survive so it can make the substrate safe for your mushroom mycelium to colonise without getting contaminated.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: cinderblock]
    #20528961 - 09/06/14 03:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

lol i had trouble with this at first. you want it pasterurized because that proccess doesnt kill everything only the bad shit. it leaves beneficial bacteria and whatnot that will protect the sub from contams while your mycelium colonizes it but will not effect your myc.

sterilization kills off everything leaving a blank slate and anything and everything that falls on it will germinate.

this is a little simplified of course but its how i look at it and understand it.

so if you sterilize (like grain jars or cakes) you have to innoc them while being sterile, then they stay in the sterile jars until they are colonized and can protect themselves.

then you put the grains into a bulk sub, you do this in open air without worrying about contams because your sub is pasteurized and can also protect itself from contams for a 2 week period basically. if you were to sterilise your bulk sub you would have to keep it sterile until it was colonized.

and to make it a little more confusing all this applies to hpoo and straw and basically everything but coco coir. that stuff is contam resistant on its own so you can sterilize it, pasterurize, bucket tek (normal bucket tek = partial sterilization because of the water being 212 for a while) or even use it just wet right off the brick. but mycelium digests it better when its heat treated

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20528972 - 09/06/14 03:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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with this method its possible to properly pasteruize in a bucket...you dont wanna use boiling water because pasterurization is done between 140-160 for an hour, you cant go higher (for more than a few minutes) or lower or your sub may contam (if its anything other than coir/verm)

that said im not sure how much temp difference the outer bucket would make inside if you added hotter water. i think i may put it at about 180 or maybe 185 and do a test.

ive used this a few times now with hpoo and my subs are fine but some finished there run in the bucket at 140f and id rather have it around 150 or so just to feel safer.



I have played around with this a bit and like I said before I need to update the tek I now mix 175-180 degree water into the inner bucket and 185-190 into the outer bucket.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20528979 - 09/06/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

nice and it drops quick enough id guess. the reason i was also thinking hotten watrer in the main bucket is so i can stir with a little less 'haste' so i make sure i get everything evenly distributed and it will also give you an instant temp drop with the longer more thorough stirring

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20529000 - 09/06/14 03:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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lol i had trouble with this at first. you want it pasterurized because that proccess doesnt kill everything only the bad shit. it leaves beneficial bacteria and whatnot that will protect the sub from contams while your mycelium colonizes it but will not effect your myc.

sterilization kills off everything leaving a blank slate and anything and everything that falls on it will germinate.

this is a little simplified of course but its how i look at it and understand it.

so if you sterilize (like grain jars or cakes) you have to innoc them while being sterile, then they stay in the sterile jars until they are colonized and can protect themselves.

then you put the grains into a bulk sub, you do this in open air without worrying about contams because your sub is pasteurized and can also protect itself from contams for a 2 week period basically. if you were to sterilise your bulk sub you would have to keep it sterile until it was colonized.

and to make it a little more confusing all this applies to hpoo and straw and basically everything but coco coir. that stuff is contam resistant on its own so you can sterilize it, pasterurize, bucket tek (normal bucket tek = partial sterilization because of the water being 212 for a while) or even use it just wet right off the brick. but mycelium digests it better when its heat treated




I should've read this before I went ahead and created a separate thread. Thanks a lot!

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20529001 - 09/06/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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nice and it drops quick enough id guess. the reason i was also thinking hotten watrer in the main bucket is so i can stir with a little less 'haste' so i make sure i get everything evenly distributed and it will also give you an instant temp drop with the longer more thorough stirring




This!

And you can use pretty damn hot water in the outter bucket without cooking the sub! at least with plastic buckets!

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20529028 - 09/06/14 03:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

That's why I changed it I was mixing a bucket of hpoo and one of my kids distracted me for a second and my starting temp ended up being only 145. This resulted in me having to oven pasteurise my substrate. Starting higher gives me much more time to mix things up and the temp after mixing is still right around 160.
I don't even use this tek anymore. Now I just sterilise everything grain and sub already mixed and use LI to inoculate it in my SAB 


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: spacechildo]
    #20529051 - 09/06/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

np cinderblock there's a lot of info man and it can get confusing at times until you've been around a bit and know all the terminology and standard procedures.

and yea space im getting my wheels turning... damn i love this place, the information exchanged and great ideas spawned and improved upon and tested and tweaked, the stuff ive learned in a few months is a lifetimes worth of growers knowledge from the past years all added together in a single place. for free ive learned and am able to mass produce mushrooms with relative ease. i would love to be able to do something in this line for a living. im going to think on that some more.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20529121 - 09/06/14 03:48 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yah this place is awesome. just over a year ago I didn't even no what mycelium was and now I have plans to start a small farm and grow edibles for a living.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20529454 - 09/06/14 05:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Appreciate the improved version. Do you think doubling everything for 106 QT tube could be done or would two of your 66 QT tubes be the best way to go?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: dancing monkey]
    #20529467 - 09/06/14 05:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

yes on both :wink:

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: spacechildo]
    #20529809 - 09/06/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I have never gone that big. I actually prefer to do a bunch of smaller 27 or 30 qt tubs. I find smaller tubs easier to manage and if one contaminates its not such a big deal because all your eggs are not in one basket.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20537087 - 09/08/14 10:02 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I have never gone that big. I actually prefer to do a bunch of smaller 27 or 30 qt tubs. I find smaller tubs easier to manage and if one contaminates its not such a big deal because all your eggs are not in one basket.




Thanks for the response, that makes since!
I have one big tube empty, so a trip to wally world looks in order.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: dancing monkey]
    #20597124 - 09/21/14 01:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So I was just wondering if i used this tek without breaking up the coir before hydrating and if i don't monitor temps to a t as you did won't it still be sufficient for cvg? I love this tek but how important is it to keep in pasteurization range? If i just pour the heavily boiling water over the cvg and mix ten minutes later and use the double bucket and blanket insulators to hold that temp for an hour then that's enough right? And what if i left the sleeping bag and insulator bucket on while cooling? I understand you are trying to stay within pasteurization temps (i'm not sure why with cvg) but is it ok if i exceed the heat and time of pasteurization with just cvg? And is there any benefit in keeping cvg in pasteurization temps? Wow that's a lot of questions asking the same thing  :confused:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: tombosley8]
    #20597380 - 09/21/14 02:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

yes on all, best reason to keep CVG within temps is to get it right before trying with manure IMO.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: spacechildo]
    #20597458 - 09/21/14 02:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid: My objective with this tek was to find a way to use the bucket tek to pasteurise manure or CVG subs with things added like coffee or worm castings. I just started with coir to make sure it worked and I think everyone who uses it. Should try it out with coir first to make sure they have it down.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20630490 - 09/28/14 12:21 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

"Pour the water from pot #1 into pail #1. Then place pail #2 into pail #1. This step will help your substrate maintain its temperature threw out the process"

I am so fricken confused about this part.  Can someone please explain. Gosh my head hurts


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20630500 - 09/28/14 12:23 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

"Pour the water from pot #1 into pail #1. Then place pail #2 into pail #1. This step will help your substrate maintain its temperature threw out the process"

Now pour half of the water from pot #2 into pail #2 and mix it in well. Now add the other half of the water from pot #2 and mix it again

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    #20630523 - 09/28/14 12:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

You pour hot water into a pail. Then place the pail containing your substrate into the pail containing the hot water. Then pour hot water into the pail containing your substrate.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20630848 - 09/28/14 01:47 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So technically I wouldnt need the buckets but only a lid. Oh and btw I checked my incubator.today and the dam heating pad was at 120 degrees. And I inoculated yesterday. Do yoh think I'm fucked?


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    #20630892 - 09/28/14 01:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I know what you are saying about not needing the buckets.:confused:. Get rid of the heating pad and give it some time. You might be OK.


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    #20631170 - 09/28/14 03:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Cool. Thanks for gettin back to me so quickly :cool:


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    #20631309 - 09/28/14 03:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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    #20632042 - 09/28/14 06:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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    #20632058 - 09/28/14 06:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20632236 - 09/28/14 06:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I did something similar to this several times when I prepared sawdust pellets.  Poured the proper proportion of ~175°F water onto the substrate... except instead of using a buffer bucket to retain temperature better for the pasteurization period, I just used a cooler.
Yep. Just poured the water onto sawdust pellets in a cleaned ice cooler.

What I like about yours, Muda, is that there's an easy way to allow temps to drop more quickly when time is up.

When using the cooler I opened it up (where my sterile airflow cab was, just a plus)  and dumped it into a similarly clean tub.
From there I would typically distribute it with gloves, or even dump and mix my spawn into it before loading it into tubes (which I made out of partially-opened taped clear shredder bags)  or whatever.

I think that would work with coir too.  After 1hr in a cooler, dumping the substrate right into the monotub (or whatnot) where it would cool much faster.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20634056 - 09/29/14 06:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Oh wait nm. I'm buggin
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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20634483 - 09/29/14 09:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

How easy would u say is to grow mushrooms.  ?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20731582 - 10/20/14 10:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Instead of blanket, those foil insulators could accomplish the jo i sppose.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #20732284 - 10/21/14 05:13 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yah. I'm not sure if the blanket is even necessary.  I just always used one.:shrug:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20733048 - 10/21/14 11:04 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I notice a difference in a temperature at the edge of the bucket if I don't use the blanket. I did it without it once and the temp dropped below 140 a bit prematurely.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20793341 - 11/04/14 05:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

So the consensus is that this gives even proper pasteurization temps across the substrate? Because if that's the case, this simplifies my dream of bucket tek + supercake

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: RideAllBears]
    #20804741 - 11/07/14 07:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Any new temps guys(those who tried it) and maybe additional notes?
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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #20804966 - 11/07/14 09:03 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Holy shit. For all of ya tryna dig this tek...

Heres the shit. If you wrap your outer bucket with insulators(the ones with foil coating) instead of blanket, you will be guaranteed to slow down the temp drop very very slowly...

I know. I just did...

Good thing i used coir cuz 30mins in and im still stuck with 175F, i used 180 for the inner bucket... And 185 for the outer so i need to recalibrate those numbers for manure...

Next time, with those insulators in place, i guess 170 for the inner and 175-180 outer... will do just fine...

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #20805448 - 11/07/14 11:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I think the tek sais to use the water when it reaches 170.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20806707 - 11/07/14 05:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Just a followup though... I got perfect readings with manure lasnyt... (been itching to nail it, taha!)

165 for the inner bucket
180 for the outer

By the end of 1hr, youll just be right below 150... Niiice.

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    #20806711 - 11/07/14 05:25 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20808811 - 11/08/14 05:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

If the water is hotter than 170 is it better? 

Does it pasturize better and faster when much hotter?

How necessary iz it to keep track of the temperature?  Anyone eye ball it?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20808815 - 11/08/14 05:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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    #20808844 - 11/08/14 06:12 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yo dis nigga craze...what's up mr. Leaf? Been a long time

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    #20808856 - 11/08/14 06:23 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

yo dhamer!!  yes it has.
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    #20808860 - 11/08/14 06:27 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20812645 - 11/09/14 03:47 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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If the water is hotter than 170 is it better? 

Does it pasturize better and faster when much hotter?

How necessary iz it to keep track of the temperature?  Anyone eye ball it?




Partial sterilization which is baaad.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #20813287 - 11/09/14 09:48 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Guna try with compost today.

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    #20813297 - 11/09/14 09:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Might try hay to.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Crider King]
    #20814123 - 11/09/14 01:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't use hay unless you can sterilise it and inoculate it in sterile conditions. You will also want to keep it sterile while it colonises.

Partial sterilisation actually takes place closer to 180 but you are best to keep your temps between 140 and 160 to be on the safe side.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20817268 - 11/10/14 12:40 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

After stirring the last bit of water in, my probe thermometer only read 155 or so at the highest, not mid-160s. I tried adding some more boiling water to the bucket beneath, but it didn't raise it. Rather than mess with it, I just closed the lid and bundled it up.

Must it be 160+ to start or is 150-155 high enough to pasteurize?

Edit: I've had this page over for hours and didn't see Muda's response above. My temperatures should be fine then provided they're around the same in an hour. Sweet.

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I have played around with this a bit and like I said before I need to update the tek I now mix 175-180 degree water into the inner bucket and 185-190 into the outer bucket.




Ah..

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20819960 - 11/10/14 04:24 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Muda,

When you're cooling down the sub outside of the blanket, do you remove the sub from the water bucket it's sitting in? Also should the lid just be resting on top or cockeyed so there's a bigger vent for steam?

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    #20819969 - 11/10/14 04:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yah I take it out of the other bucket and crack the lid.


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    #20819977 - 11/10/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Yah I take it out of the other bucket and crack the lid.




Ok, I think that's why I wound up with so much water in my sub then. It didn't mention anything about the bottom bucket so I left it in and had the lid resting on it. Whoops.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20822777 - 11/11/14 10:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry,  but what does partial sterlization mean and why is it bad


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    #20822840 - 11/11/14 11:25 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Pasteurization kills contaminants while allowing beneficial microbes to survive. These beneficial microbes protect the substrate from competing contaminants until it can be colonised by your mushroom mycelium. Partial sterilisation kills a lot of these beneficial microbes.


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    #20823712 - 11/11/14 03:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Oh wow,  I dis not know this,  thanks


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    #20839109 - 11/14/14 11:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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    #20839216 - 11/15/14 12:16 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't know if it was you but... somebody said partial sterilization happens closer to 180F. .. how true is this?


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    #20839224 - 11/15/14 12:19 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It is true based on a few things I have read but The safe bet is to stay under 160.


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    #20839227 - 11/15/14 12:21 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Pablo,

Sterilization is killing everything. You're thinking of pasteurization. There's a big difference.

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    #20840181 - 11/15/14 09:59 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You don't need to worry about partial aterilisation with coir, coir doesn't provide any beneficial microbes in the first place


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    #20840443 - 11/15/14 11:05 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

This is true but this tek can be used with manure and additives like coffee as well as coir.


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    #20840638 - 11/15/14 11:53 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

If I'm only using CVG, why am I pasteurizing at all then? Don't those need it?

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    #20840648 - 11/15/14 11:55 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

With CVG you can pasteurise, sterilise or partially sterilise. The main thing is you need to cook it.


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    #20840654 - 11/15/14 11:57 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I prefer to sterilize my coir verm. It seems to make more nutes accessable to the myc. I find I get more yeild in fewer flushes and I definitely prefer the way it colonizes.

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    #20840672 - 11/15/14 12:00 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I would sterilise if I didn't hate cleaning coir out of jars so much. I might try sterilising in a large PP5 container today.


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    #20840713 - 11/15/14 12:09 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

To make this short can one boil 10 quarts of boiling water and pour into the mix of coir and vern and let it sit for an hour and use for sub after its cooled?


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    #20840725 - 11/15/14 12:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I would only use 5 quarts but yes.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20841327 - 11/15/14 01:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting. Why do we need to cook it at all? Are there just SOME bad stuff in C/V/G that needs to be killed?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20841550 - 11/15/14 03:09 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Cooking breaks it down so it is more easily colonized.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20841582 - 11/15/14 03:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, Jedi. That makes sense.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20841589 - 11/15/14 03:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I just did a modified version of this tek using 3.5 bricks of coir and 8 qts of verm. I used a 66 qt tub with a heating pad under it and wrapped it in a sleeping bag. I added 15 qts of water at 180 degrees and mixed it for about 5 minutes. Once it was mixed the temp was just over 150. After an hour it was still just above 140 on the outer edge. Now that I know it works I will try it with some other substrates. I will likely double up my tubs next time though for added insulation.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20841617 - 11/15/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You mean placing the sub-tub into a tub full of water like you do with buckets? I wonder annoying it'd be to fill a bathtub up with as hot of water as you can and them dump a few big pots of boiling water into it to submerge your sub-tubs in?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20841625 - 11/15/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I considered doing that. I wont use water in the outer tub with the larger tek. The air gap should provide enough R value.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20871956 - 11/21/14 06:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Here's manure pasteurized this way...




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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #20871966 - 11/21/14 06:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20883606 - 11/24/14 01:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Wow..interesting. So seems to me pasteurizing CVG is kind of a waste of effort. Sterilizing would be much easier for me and obviously some pro's here think that's the way to go.

Think i'll be trying to sterilize my CVG from now on. I always thought since we open air mix the spawn, a bunch of bacteria/nasties will take advantage of sterilized substrate but I guess that's obviously not the case with CVG, huh?

(As a half-ass experiment I once spit into partially pasteurized CVG that I had leftovers of...5 days later I checked and there was literally nothing I could see)

From what I've read and some limited experience, it seems that the strength/cleanliness from bacteria of the spawn makes all the difference anyway, huh?

EDIT: And as was said, since cooking breaks it down to make it easier for our myc to colonize, has anyone noticed any benefit in sterilizing for longer periods of time?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: kmetric]
    #20883705 - 11/24/14 01:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I usually just PC my coir in jars as many as I need. I get it up to 15psi and then let it got for a few minutes then just turn it off. that makes the coir almost black like potting soil. always works for me.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20883739 - 11/24/14 01:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I've been experimenting with cooking coir and it seems to really help immensely. I like to add a bit of lime to buffer the pH, people are probably gonna argue with me about that but it works. :thumbup:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #20884562 - 11/24/14 05:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I have started adding a very small amount of lime to my bucket tek water. The reason I don't sterilise coir is. I hate to fill and clean all those bottles. Also since my PC only holds 9 qt jars. It wold take me a couple days to sterilise the amount of coir I can bucket in just over an hour. I no longer use this tek for coir though. Now I just put 3 or 4 bricks along with some verm in a 66qt tub. I fill it with 190 degree water mix for 5 minutes, put the tub on a heating pad and wrap it in a blanket for an hour. By the time the water is mixed in the temp is at 160 and after an hour it is jut above 150. I know those temps aren't needed for coir but I like to practice in case I decide to try it with manure at some point.

My favorite part about doing it this way is I can finally use that heating pad for something.:lol:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20946921 - 12/08/14 10:40 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Muda how long you can let it the substrate inside the bucket with the lid on, without using it? 1 week? 1 month? I mean... how long until moisture escapes from the bucket and dry the substrate out..

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #20946941 - 12/08/14 10:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm willing to bet he used his right away and didn't let it sit around that long to find out.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20946953 - 12/08/14 10:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20947081 - 12/08/14 11:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Can I just a brick of coir v and gyp in a 5 gallon bucket with 4 quarts of spawn and fruit em like that with a saran wrap on top while colonizing and then poke holes in em during fruiting?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20947090 - 12/08/14 11:29 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

mono buckets work fine but that's a lot to put in a bucket. Your substrate will be way to deep.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20947093 - 12/08/14 11:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

people do bucket mono's but you're going to want more like 1/4 brick of coir and 1-2 quarts of spawn

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #20947109 - 12/08/14 11:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Muda how long you can let it the substrate inside the bucket with the lid on, without using it? 1 week? 1 month? I mean... how long until moisture escapes from the bucket and dry the substrate out..




I've let it sit in the bucket for up to a week.

Never felt like waiting around longer to see.


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    #20947121 - 12/08/14 11:39 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Dam I didn't even think how deep the sub would be , :blazed:

I'm trying to think of what other containers to use... would a shoe box work?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20947142 - 12/08/14 11:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet he used his right away and didn't let it sit around that long to find out.




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    #20947162 - 12/08/14 11:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet he used his right away and didn't let it sit around that long to find out.




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a week.




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Mr. Alien I feel like I heard RR say he left properly pasteurized sub sit for over a month.

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    #20947178 - 12/08/14 11:51 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet he used his right away and didn't let it sit around that long to find out.




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a week.




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Mr. Alien I feel like I heard RR say he left properly pasteurized sub sit for over a month.

Been feeling lazy lately?





So would that equate to a month of colonizing the sub with maybe little spawn without having to worry about contams?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20947194 - 12/08/14 11:55 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Dam I didn't even think how deep the sub would be , :blazed:

I'm trying to think of what other containers to use... would a shoe box work?



Any container that will give you an appropriate sub depth of 2-4 inches with your desired amount of substrate and spawn. when I make shoe box sized trays I use a half brick of coir and one or two quarts of verm with three quarts of spawn. Shoe boxes need to be fruited in another FC like a green house though. They don't have enough head space to work as a mono.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #20947198 - 12/08/14 11:56 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

No it would equate to a properly pasteurized substrate (coir based) not being colonized or touched or used in anyway for over a month.

As long as the substrate stays sealed in the container then there will be minimal exposure to external contamination.

If you took the substrate out and spawned it with just a tiny bit of mycelium like you describe you may get contamination sooner because it's been exposed to open air.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20947203 - 12/08/14 11:57 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Dam I didn't even think how deep the sub would be , :blazed:

I'm trying to think of what other containers to use... would a shoe box work?



Any container that will give you an appropriate sub depth of 2-4 inches with your desired amount of substrate and spawn. when I make shoe box sized trays I use a half brick of coir and one or two quarts of verm with three quarts of spawn. Shoe boxes need to be fruited in another FC like a green house though. They don't have enough head space to work as a mono.




I'm going to fruit in a shoebox now just to piss you off. :wink:


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    #20947210 - 12/08/14 11:59 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It will work. It's just not optimal. I've had fruits fully mature in completely sealed containers with out any GE. Cubes will grow anywhere.


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    #20947237 - 12/08/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It will work. It's just not optimal. I've had fruits fully mature in completely sealed containers with out any GE. Cubes will grow anywhere.




I've witnessed this as well.

When I was first getting started I made so much spawn I didn't know what to do with it all. A lot of jars fruited invitro on me. I actually have one from june right now still making little pins. I wonder if I should spawn it.

Kinda makes you wonder how people can screw up a cube grow in the first place? :shrug:


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    #20948980 - 12/08/14 07:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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a week.




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Mr. Alien I feel like I heard RR say he left properly pasteurized sub sit for over a month.

Been feeling lazy lately?




I've read that, too, but he didn't have the heart to use it without re-pasteurizing.


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    #20950116 - 12/08/14 10:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It will work. It's just not optimal. I've had fruits fully mature in completely sealed containers with out any GE. Cubes will grow anywhere.




Hell it even grew on a single piece of grain left unwashed for some time... too bad I didn't take pics


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    #20951467 - 12/09/14 09:03 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)


yah it doesn't take much.


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    #20952157 - 12/09/14 11:36 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Sealed container without ge or fae?


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    #20953064 - 12/09/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yup.

This little guy grew on a small amount of left over colonised grains in a completely sealed screw top PP5 that I forgot to dump out.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20953275 - 12/09/14 03:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Gosh, does conditions effect potency as well?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20953295 - 12/09/14 03:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

That depends on who you ask.:lol:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20953326 - 12/09/14 03:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

:woah:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20966936 - 12/12/14 01:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I've been bucket tek-ing like this for a while. Works great.

I've been wondering if using a decent sized cooler would work since it's insulated and has a lid.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #20966974 - 12/12/14 02:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

That would work great. I have been using 66qt totes lately but a cooler would be even better.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20967929 - 12/12/14 06:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

A cooler Tek? Awesome!! Yeah a cooler should have more insulation than 2 buckets together. Who will make the first cooler Tek? How much quarts of CVG you would end up having with a cooler? 20? 30 quarts?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #20974900 - 12/14/14 11:16 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

probably just need something heavy on the lid so it doesn't pop open from the heat.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #20982233 - 12/15/14 09:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'll write it down once I grab my friend's 100+ quart cooler.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #20982246 - 12/15/14 09:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been bucket tek-ing like this for a while. Works great.

I've been wondering if using a decent sized cooler would work since it's insulated and has a lid.






Been trying to execute this for around 2mos. Now... why don't you give it a shot, it will DEFINITELY work. :smile:)


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #20982934 - 12/16/14 01:24 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Love this tek brother. I've now done 6 - monotubs worth of coir verm using this tek, everything is looking clean, temps around 155 two hours later no problem. I'll update with fruits when I get em with this tek. Thanks

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #20982941 - 12/16/14 01:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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probably just need something heavy on the lid so it doesn't pop open from the heat.




I don't think those temps could generate enough pressure...


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21627704 - 05/02/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Muda sometimes my buckets get really fucking stuck together.

Any tips for pulling them apart easily or did you completely switch to fruiting out of jars?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21628511 - 05/03/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry man. I never had that problem and it has been quite a while since I pasteurised anything.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21628860 - 05/03/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

when i use 2 buckets to insulate grain soaks, i put a dry paper towel or two btw the two buckets, seems to help.
if u have the HD brand orange bucket, and the lowes blue one, NEVER put the orange one inside the blue one, i still can't get them apart, but for some reason, the blue one fits in the orange one perfectly w/o ever getting stuck.
could be coincidence and warped from over use, but, figured i'd mention it


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21630927 - 05/03/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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when i use 2 buckets to insulate grain soaks, i put a dry paper towel or two btw the two buckets, seems to help.
if u have the HD brand orange bucket, and the lowes blue one, NEVER put the orange one inside the blue one, i still can't get them apart, but for some reason, the blue one fits in the orange one perfectly w/o ever getting stuck.
could be coincidence and warped from over use, but, figured i'd mention it




My orange one is in the blue one. :facepalm:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22000177 - 07/26/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I still use this method for preparing bulk substrates. Is anyone else using it?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22000214 - 07/26/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah got three going right now  :bonghit:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: filthyknees]
    #22000247 - 07/26/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't use it exactly like this anymore but I do a variation for larger amounts of substrate using totes or garbage cans instead of buckets. I found it easier to pasteurise smaller batches in the oven.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22000260 - 07/26/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

details on using totes plz? :begger:

same ratio? same time? same procedure? only difference is bigger scale?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: filthyknees]
    #22000318 - 07/26/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm using it for straw in this picture but it works with anything.

It's just one heavy duty tote inside another. I think they are 55 gallon totes. I put insulation and vapor barrier in between. Then I put 2 layers of thermal blanket around the outside and wrapped it in tuck tape. The lid is also doubled up with insulation and vapor barrier in between. I crank up my hot water heater and fill it up straight from the tap. The water comes out around 170-175. After mixing the temp is around 155-160. I close it up and put a sleeping bag over it. After an hour the temp only drops 5 degrees or so.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22001971 - 07/26/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do two pails, one Orange, to hold substrate, and the second is a large wine making pail because it holds more warm water. After I put the Orange into the hot water, I wrap it up in a blanket. I hold between 160, down to 145 at the lowest over 1.5 hours.

I get great results, any issue is in my grain spawn. I've even successfully put coffee into the substrate. Sometimes if I don't want it all to have coffee, I'll out the wet coffee into a sandwich bag and put it into the water under the Orange pail. I'll never go back, I can make enough coco substrate for 6 monos in two goes.

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    #22327763 - 10/03/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just bumping this because it worked so well for me.:super:


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    #22690110 - 12/23/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) *DELETED* [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22690247 - 12/23/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I would like to use this method with Manure,verm and Gypsum. No coir. How you would use it with manure? heating the water to 160ºF-170ºF? Also how many quarts of manure80%/verm20% per quart of water?

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    #22690362 - 12/23/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22690368 - 12/23/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I would like to use this method with Manure,verm and Gypsum. No coir. How you would use it with manure? heating the water to 160ºF-170ºF? Also how many quarts of manure80%/verm20% per quart of water?



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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22760162 - 01/10/16 02:22 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Hi folks... i just wanna submit this simple rig in here


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #22760209 - 01/10/16 02:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I've got somthing similar made out of two 55 gallon tubs for large batches.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22760215 - 01/10/16 03:01 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yea this one is a small one
.. 5gals. I think.

And it doesn't go inside another tub. Just flood the entire thing with 175f and soak for (I do) 2hrs and drain using pillowcase...kinda messy but works...

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: eatyualive]
    #23769593 - 10/25/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is it improved because in 5050s tek he uses boiling water and therefore initially its too hot?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23770674 - 10/25/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it improved because in 5050s tek he uses boiling water and therefore initially its too hot?




It's also insulated to hold temperature better.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #23810647 - 11/07/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What about wrapping an electric blanket or home brew heating blanket around the bucket......:shrug:


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    #23810660 - 11/07/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I say try it out:super:


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    #24810047 - 11/27/17 04:15 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I like the simplicity, KISS !

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #25268930 - 06/14/18 09:56 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Took me a minute but pail (or "bucket" as the post initially called it) #1 does not have the coir/verm in it. Pail #1 just has hot water in it and acts as a heat source under Pail #2. Not that anyone's going to read my post but it might help to clarify that or give a summary of the concepts behind the tek at the beginning of the post.

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    #25285143 - 06/22/18 12:36 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the write up! I look forward to using this tek soon.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Vargus0]
    #25285189 - 06/22/18 01:06 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I used it for a while.

But now I can hit pasteurization temps in an uninsulated bucket so.. :shrug:


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: blojo02184]
    #25602130 - 11/09/18 12:59 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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oh, defeinitely more simple!!!!

My invention is like every other. Some lazy asshole trying to get out of more work :tongue:




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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Edmunter]
    #25602176 - 11/09/18 02:02 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Ah shit, I been looking for this thread. Thanks for the bump.

For anyone just seeing this for the first time this method works great for holding perfect pasteurization temps in a bucket. You can still do it with one bucket but this method makes the whole process fool proof.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #26468675 - 02/04/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Would it be worth using g a cooler box like in this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26043706


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26468854 - 02/04/20 04:45 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Would it be worth using g a cooler box like in this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26043706




Ive tried cold water, boiling water, pasteurization temp water, bucket in a bucket, bucket in a bucket with a blanket, bucket with a blanket, pasteurizing in the pc in bags..... and the only difference ive seen is the colonisation times between using cold water and hot....... 

We are getting to the stage where there are a lot of TC's here that will agree u can just use boiling water and some that agree you can just use cold tap water as coir doesnt contaminate.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #26469498 - 02/05/20 12:13 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Would it be worth using g a cooler box like in this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26043706




Ive tried cold water, boiling water, pasteurization temp water, bucket in a bucket, bucket in a bucket with a blanket, bucket with a blanket, pasteurizing in the pc in bags..... and the only difference ive seen is the colonisation times between using cold water and hot....... 

We are getting to the stage where there are a lot of TC's here that will agree u can just use boiling water and some that agree you can just use cold tap water as coir doesnt contaminate.




what I’m  Actually asking is if I was to use a cool box for pasteurisation using the TEK in this current thread, does that means I won’t  need a blanket or whatever, as the cooler box is designed insulate?
however, Correct me of I’m wrong, if coir is less likely to contaminate (I believe it could, due to an unpredictable vector like a human sneeze) if I add manure or anything else to the coir it will need pasteurising, right?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26469590 - 02/05/20 02:12 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Edmunter said:
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Would it be worth using g a cooler box like in this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26043706




Ive tried cold water, boiling water, pasteurization temp water, bucket in a bucket, bucket in a bucket with a blanket, bucket with a blanket, pasteurizing in the pc in bags..... and the only difference ive seen is the colonisation times between using cold water and hot....... 

We are getting to the stage where there are a lot of TC's here that will agree u can just use boiling water and some that agree you can just use cold tap water as coir doesnt contaminate.




what I’m  Actually asking is if I was to use a cool box for pasteurisation using the TEK in this current thread, does that means I won’t  need a blanket or whatever, as the cooler box is designed insulate?
however, Correct me of I’m wrong, if coir is less likely to contaminate (I believe it could, due to an unpredictable vector like a human sneeze) if I add manure or anything else to the coir it will need pasteurising, right?





if you add manure or any other substrate, you want to pasteurize, yes.

this tek only applies to pure coco coir, or maybe some coir with some verm mixed in.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: pablokabute]
    #26469656 - 02/05/20 04:48 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Do people pasteurize manure in buckets?

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26469725 - 02/05/20 06:24 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Do people pasteurize manure in buckets?




The title of this thread is “Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION)”


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26469726 - 02/05/20 06:25 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

So really this TEK is only for cocoCoir. Not something that would have bacteria. But what if it was dried dehydrated poo pellets.
They have already been sterilised no?


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26469764 - 02/05/20 06:58 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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So really this TEK is only for cocoCoir. Not something that would have bacteria. But what if it was dried dehydrated poo pellets.
They have already been sterilised no?





No you are missing the point of pasteurization.  Its when you kill bacteria that is harmful and keep bacteria that is beneficial.  So a while back when Damien first wrote that 50:50 tek he did it because he believed bacteria was in CVG.  When Muda rewrote it (God bless his soul) he believed the same.  Since then its been proven that using boiling water or just plain water has the same results.  If you are using sterilized poo you need to go down the sterile root as it will get contaminated as soon as its hydrated and open to the elements

So if i was going to add poo to coir id pasterise the poo the traditional way if it was the stuff I use out of a field and prep coir the new way, then mix.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26469842 - 02/05/20 08:21 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

I don’t see the point of a boil when you can get  the same results using warm water from the tap. No thermometer needed, no paying attention. And you can spawn in 30 minutes rather than wait hours for the temp to cool. If your culture is clean it won’t matter. Ive not been boiling coir going on 5 years now. I have very little contamination. It is a fairly full proof substrate which doesn’t need boiling. In addition, yield and colonization times side by side are the same if not better in non boiled coir. Why spend more time boiling and waiting? :shrug:

Saves me a lot of time not boiling. To bring 4 quarts to boiling takes me 18-20 minutes. Then 3 hours to cool so I don’t burn myself spawning. Comparatively, 3 minutes for tap water to get warm. Dump and let sit 30 minutes to expand the brick then spawn. Of all the clone tests I’ve done, all non boiled tubs colonized 2 days faster than boiled coir tubs. Yield was a moot point because it was the same as if boiled.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: eatyualive]
    #26469863 - 02/05/20 08:30 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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I don’t see the point of a boil when you can get  the same results using warm water from the tap. No thermometer needed, no paying attention. And you can spawn in 30 minutes rather than wait hours for the temp to cool. If your culture is clean it won’t matter. Ive not been boiling coir going on 5 years now. I have very little contamination. It is a fairly full proof substrate which doesn’t need boiling. In addition, yield and colonization times side by side are the same if not better in non boiled coir. Why spend more time boiling and waiting? :shrug:

Saves me a lot of time not boiling. To bring 4 quarts to boiling takes me 18-20 minutes. Then 3 hours to cool so I don’t burn myself spawning. Comparatively, 3 minutes for tap water to get warm. Dump and let sit 30 minutes to expand the brick then spawn. Of all the clone tests I’ve done, all non boiled tubs colonized 2 days faster than boiled coir tubs. Yield was a moot point because it was the same as if boiled.




Ha! the man himself!    Yep I agree the boil isnt needed but it was a step from pasteurization to boiling to warm water testing for me..... Baby steps and all

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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26469877 - 02/05/20 08:37 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah i was trying the cold tap for a few years but it takes longer to colonize. Not much longer maybe an extra day. Coir does not need to be pasteurized. And if you are boiling your not really pasteurizing it. I was pasteurizing it for years prior and wasting a lot of time myself.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: eatyualive]
    #26469907 - 02/05/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Two buckets in themselves create an insulated bucket, the "dead air space" dry works fine for my 333g runs.
I do use boiled water @my altitude it's 97c..,
I stir twice at 45 and 90 then let it cool or like now I stick it outside untill it's 20-30c


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURISATION) [Re: eatyualive]
    #26471177 - 02/05/20 10:01 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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I don’t see the point of a boil when you can get  the same results using warm water from the tap. No thermometer needed, no paying attention. And you can spawn in 30 minutes rather than wait hours for the temp to cool. If your culture is clean it won’t matter. Ive not been boiling coir going on 5 years now. I have very little contamination. It is a fairly full proof substrate which doesn’t need boiling. In addition, yield and colonization times side by side are the same if not better in non boiled coir. Why spend more time boiling and waiting? :shrug:

Saves me a lot of time not boiling. To bring 4 quarts to boiling takes me 18-20 minutes. Then 3 hours to cool so I don’t burn myself spawning. Comparatively, 3 minutes for tap water to get warm. Dump and let sit 30 minutes to expand the brick then spawn. Of all the clone tests I’ve done, all non boiled tubs colonized 2 days faster than boiled coir tubs. Yield was a moot point because it was the same as if boiled.





i heard of this a couple of times here and there.

should be worth the try.


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Re: Improved Bucket Tek (Bucket PASTEURIZATION) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #26567016 - 03/30/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I just used this tek for the first time and I will say I am impressed. After an hour the outside edge of my substrate bucket is holding at 164 degrees F. Starting temp was 160 and it slowly climbed to 165. I will stick with this. Awesome fucking work. Thank you.


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