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36fuckin5
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Going grain to agar is moving backward. LC is a waste of time.
I would take my fastest PE and my fastest GT and G2G each of them out.
Take the rest of the jars and just do a couple normal monotubs. Using 4 quarts of grain instead of 5 isn't gonna hurt.
Once you get fruits, clone one of each to agar then go from there.
You're trying to do shit all kinds of backwards and inefficiently.
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bongjuice420
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Good Thread! Keep us posted
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MushroomWizard420
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Re: Preparation for spawn to a 90qt monotub [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19895381 - 04/24/14 08:57 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Going grain to agar is moving backward. LC is a waste of time.
I would take my fastest PE and my fastest GT and G2G each of them out.
Take the rest of the jars and just do a couple normal monotubs. Using 4 quarts of grain instead of 5 isn't gonna hurt.
Once you get fruits, clone one of each to agar then go from there.
You're trying to do shit all kinds of backwards and inefficiently.
im just still working with the mentality that LC is the easiest way to store a large amount of mycelium to continue the cycle with. You think it's ultimately better overall to just G2G my jars to prepare a good spawn, then collect prints of PE and GT from fruits showing strong genetics, and use those for agar and G2G, and just ignore LC altogether?
Why shouldn't I make LC with an agar wedge after I have totally isolated genetically potent mycelium to a monoculture for future use? I understand LC is not as reliable, but I can always test the LC on agar before inoculating master grain jars right?
I guess I just don't see why you are so opposed to LC, or if it's just that you're opposed to someone of my experience jumping into LC? If it's the latter please say so, i just want clarity. I won't get butthurt lol.
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36fuckin5
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LC is just pointless, really. By the time you grow it out and test it you could have done 2-3 generations of jars, wich would end up being a few hundred for me since I do 15-20 jars from each master.
Then every time you use your LC you have to test it again.
It's a big-ass jar to keep in your fridge instead of a slant or 2.
You have to do agar anyway.
There's just no reason for it.
Don't collect prints of the best fruits, take a clone, isolate from there and test each isolate to find the best one. First off, good luck getting PE prints, second the only reason we don't trade cultures is because we can't legally.
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MushroomWizard420
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Re: Preparation for spawn to a 90qt monotub [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19896104 - 04/24/14 11:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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aight that makes sense, i'll take a clone off some solid fruits of each and go from there, and i'm definitely gonna make a print of GT and try my best to get one of PE, but i get why it will present challenges.
the only thing i don't necessarily agree with that you said is taking a clone instead of taking prints, because i'd like to get into trading soon, not to mention having a spore print means i can take a break from cultivation whenever and still have spores to start it up again whenever i like.
thanks for another explanation though.
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36fuckin5
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Well you can take prints too, but I would pick your best fruit, clone it then print the rest. You don't wanna use a stem that you've cut the cap off of for a clone.
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MushroomWizard420
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Re: Preparation for spawn to a 90qt monotub [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19896392 - 04/25/14 12:34 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Well you can take prints too, but I would pick your best fruit, clone it then print the rest. You don't wanna use a stem that you've cut the cap off of for a clone.
why is that? does the mycelium within the stem become less active or "die" after you remove the cap?
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36fuckin5
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The stem is hollow, and opening it up like that is a vector where contams might get in. The base where you cut it should be solid so this doesn't happen.
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bongjuice420
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Re: Preparation for spawn to a 90qt monotub [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19898367 - 04/25/14 12:56 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was going to experement with LC a while back. But after researching it, although it would be a funny side project hobby, would take longer to get jars spawned then if I had used agar.
I believe you should look at agar. Its simpler, but most importantly it takes less time to knock up jars with agar than it does with LC.
Also, have you decided how you will proceed with your 105qt tub. I just spawned my Golden Teachers to a 27qt monotub plus doing a Golden Teacher G2G in preparation for a 66qt tub.
Check my journal if you got questions about monotubs or golden teachers!
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MushroomWizard420
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Re: Preparation for spawn to a 90qt monotub [Re: bongjuice420]
#19898834 - 04/25/14 02:35 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea im gonna be using the fastest colonizers of each variety to make more agar dishes and knock up a spawn bag. gonna use 2 next fastest colonizers of only the faster variety to G2G to 6 additional jars each, and then use the last 2 jars to finish colonization of the quicker variety for some mini bulk trays. once the slave jars are finished colonizing i'll be using 8 for spawn in the 90qt tub and the remaining 4 for a 66qt mono.
for the slower colonizing variety, after using the fastest of its jars to make agar and a spawn bag, i'll be using the rest of the jars to set up a smaller monotub, around 66qt.
summary: 1) faster variety -1 jar for agar and spawn bag, bag to 66qt mono -2 jars for a mini bulk tray each -2 jars for G2G x6 each = 12 slaves -8 slaves to 90qt mono -4 slaves to 66qt mono 2) slower variety -1 jar for agar and spawn bag, bag to 66qt mono -4 jars to 66qt mono
total: -1 90qt monotub with 8qt spawn -4 66qt monotubs -2 with spawn bags -2 with 4qt of spawn -2 mini bulk trays with 1qt of spawn each
this project expanded quite a bit from its original plan, but assuming i continue to prepare the grains properly and practice proper sterile techniques when performing G2G transfers it should continue to go smoothly.
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bongjuice420
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Personally, what I'm doing, may help you. And what your doing may help myself. Although, I've researched a ton about this hobby, I'm still a noobie and havent actually had results doing anything. So if a Trusted Cultivator comes in and knocks down what I'm saying... listen to them.
However, depending on how many jars you have. I would spawn them to bulk and leave a master jar to do a G2G with. Then use them to spawn to bulk again. While thats going on, take a good sample from a shroom and throw that in some agar. That should get you setup to have a continual harvest bro. Thats what I'm attempting to do ATM!
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MushroomWizard420
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Re: Preparation for spawn to a 90qt monotub [Re: bongjuice420]
#19898980 - 04/25/14 03:02 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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bongjuice420 said: Personally, what I'm doing, may help you. And what your doing may help myself. Although, I've researched a ton about this hobby, I'm still a noobie and havent actually had results doing anything. So if a Trusted Cultivator comes in and knocks down what I'm saying... listen to them.
However, depending on how many jars you have. I would spawn them to bulk and leave a master jar to do a G2G with. Then use them to spawn to bulk again. While thats going on, take a good sample from a shroom and throw that in some agar. That should get you setup to have a continual harvest bro. Thats what I'm attempting to do ATM!
that's basically what i'm going for but i'g getting some agar going asap, and i'm also getting several tubs and trays going so i can learn about different methods and sizes of cultivation teks all at once.
it might not be normal for people to immerse themselves in so many different vectors of cultivation at once but i really like to be able to compare things side by side. i'm a highly visual learner so i think this experience will help with my teks a lot.
i've been following your thread too and i think we're approaching very similar grows in very similar ways so we should definitely continue to exchange progress reports to see what works well and where we each could ahve improved
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