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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9315994 - 11/26/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're willing to learn to grow corn, there's always Cuitlacoche, otherwise known as... Corn Smut! (Ustilago maydis) I found a 7.6 oz can of the stuff on the Internet for $18.50.
Corn smut is considered a delicacy in Mexico, and is grown commercially in the States in a few places as well. This is a neat fungus that has potential for medicinal use, and it shares many proteins and cellular processes with humans. Studying it can provide many insights into diseases related to these proteins. (42 related to human diseases, according to some abstract I found on The Google.)
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: Paresthesia]
#9320040 - 11/26/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure if it's marketable near me. Interesting nonetheless.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: Paresthesia]
#9320085 - 11/26/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Paresthesia said: If you're willing to learn to grow corn, there's always Cuitlacoche, otherwise known as... Corn Smut! (Ustilago maydis) I found a 7.6 oz can of the stuff on the Internet for $18.50.
Corn smut is considered a delicacy in Mexico, and is grown commercially in the States in a few places as well. This is a neat fungus that has potential for medicinal use, and it shares many proteins and cellular processes with humans. Studying it can provide many insights into diseases related to these proteins. (42 related to human diseases, according to some abstract I found on The Google.)
When I ate corn smut I tripped.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9320656 - 11/27/08 02:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Paresthesia said: If you're willing to learn to grow corn, there's always Cuitlacoche, otherwise known as... Corn Smut! (Ustilago maydis) I found a 7.6 oz can of the stuff on the Internet for $18.50.
Corn smut is considered a delicacy in Mexico, and is grown commercially in the States in a few places as well. This is a neat fungus that has potential for medicinal use, and it shares many proteins and cellular processes with humans. Studying it can provide many insights into diseases related to these proteins. (42 related to human diseases, according to some abstract I found on The Google.)
When I ate corn smut I tripped.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: AcidHorse]
#9320706 - 11/27/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wouldn't it be funny if it was all of the above?
He ate the corn smut which made him trip, then while tripping he ate more corn smut and then tripped over something and woke up the next day with a bad headache and a sore butt.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#9320906 - 11/27/08 05:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe he mixed corn smut up with ergot of rye?
If he experienced hallucinations, dizziness, nausea, burning sensations in the hands and feet followed by gangrene and the eventual loss of those limbs, then it was ergot.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: Paresthesia]
#9321406 - 11/27/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was also thinking there was ergot involved.
It's the only possible explanation.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9322990 - 11/27/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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It LOOKED like the grey cornsmut. I had the experiences of ergot, and I think this is why:
I hate to quote wikipedia; but Quote:
Uses Americans of the American Southwest, including the Zuni tribe, have used corn smut to induce labor. It has similar medicinal effects to ergot, but weaker, due to the presence of the chemical ustilagine.
It WAS psychoactive, and I did have slight burning of the limbs, but I did not get gangrene, nothing fell off and Im still completely intact 3 years later.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9336018 - 11/30/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9385075 - 12/07/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been thinking about growing shaggy manes, but you'd have to partner with a restraunt and deliver daily?!?!
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9392610 - 12/08/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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heres a video about the trufle
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: theredone]
#9395053 - 12/08/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lobster mushrooms sell for 14lb here in Seattle. If they are cultivatable as the original question stands, then I say they are the most expensive for areas that are plentiful like my neighborhood grocery/farmer's markets are.
I say that b/c two things Seattle has....
the best environment for mushrooms to naturally flourish in large spectrum and proportion of Asian American culture.
This creates a large market on both ends (supply/demand)
Lobster mushrooms look crazy too, ever seen one?
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: sherminator]
#9395143 - 12/08/08 08:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lobster mushroom? Is this it: http://www.mushroomexpert.com/hypomyces_lactifluorum.html
If so, then it is definitely not cultivatable.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: denger]
#9397219 - 12/09/08 01:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed, I am going to the market asap to also confer with my local grocery manager on his supplier. It makes sense that its sold semi-seasonally.
I am making a quest to Uwajimaya to see what the prices are on their maitake & enoke. They may rank. Year round too.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: sherminator]
#9397665 - 12/09/08 05:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oooh. Chances are very good that Hokuto-Kinoko has that market locked up tight. It's very difficult to compete with 8oz packages of shimeji, maitake or enoki that can be sold for $2.99 a pop. Now if you can afford to shell out the big bucks for a bottle cultivation system, that's a different story.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: J3illy]
#19847290 - 04/15/14 04:27 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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J3illy said: What exactly do you mean "cultivatable"? The most expensive mushroom by far is a truffle [tuber]. But you can't grow them indoors or anything. They grow in the ground, and the myc grows on the roots of certain trees. You could technically do this, but you'd have to plant a tree that's had it's roots treated w/ the spores. And then 3-5 yrs later, you're growing truffles. Black Truffles: (USD$130–$380 per pound) White Truffles: (USD$1350-$2700 per pound)
DAMMMMMM
i didnt realise they were that expensive, i no it takes 5 years or whatever but are the spores easy to come by, are they available to the avarage joe?, nearly 3grand a pound, why dont we all just plant a spore laced tree, it could be like a savins account, we each get one and in 5 years everyone diggs um up sells um at a shroomery sponsor,i mean where else would us shroomerites get a fair price, and then free mycology supplies for all whos in ?
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: tommyg615]
#19847807 - 04/15/14 09:43 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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J3illy said: What exactly do you mean "cultivatable"? The most expensive mushroom by far is a truffle [tuber]. But you can't grow them indoors or anything. They grow in the ground, and the myc grows on the roots of certain trees. You could technically do this, but you'd have to plant a tree that's had it's roots treated w/ the spores. And then 3-5 yrs later, you're growing truffles. Black Truffles: (USD$130–$380 per pound) White Truffles: (USD$1350-$2700 per pound)
DAMMMMMM
i didnt realise they were that expensive, i no it takes 5 years or whatever but are the spores easy to come by, are they available to the avarage joe?, nearly 3grand a pound, why dont we all just plant a spore laced tree, it could be like a savins account, we each get one and in 5 years everyone diggs um up sells um at a shroomery sponsor,i mean where else would us shroomerites get a fair price, and then free mycology supplies for all whos in ?
I'm actually about to pull the trigger on this one. Going to try it myself to make my friends a wedding gift they'll really like. All you need are the right oak or hazelnut seeds and a fresh truffle.
Start oak/hazelnut seeds in sterilized soil, so no competing mycorhizae take hold. After a few months make spore slurry from a 1/2oz or so of truffle blended into a bucket of sterile water. Then you can hope for the best or at least examine the roots after a few months to see if your experiment worked. The roots should have black myc sheaths.
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: drake89]
#19848294 - 04/15/14 11:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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drake89 said:
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tommyg615 said:
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J3illy said: What exactly do you mean "cultivatable"? The most expensive mushroom by far is a truffle [tuber]. But you can't grow them indoors or anything. They grow in the ground, and the myc grows on the roots of certain trees. You could technically do this, but you'd have to plant a tree that's had it's roots treated w/ the spores. And then 3-5 yrs later, you're growing truffles. Black Truffles: (USD$130–$380 per pound) White Truffles: (USD$1350-$2700 per pound)
DAMMMMMM
i didnt realise they were that expensive, i no it takes 5 years or whatever but are the spores easy to come by, are they available to the avarage joe?, nearly 3grand a pound, why dont we all just plant a spore laced tree, it could be like a savins account, we each get one and in 5 years everyone diggs um up sells um at a shroomery sponsor,i mean where else would us shroomerites get a fair price, and then free mycology supplies for all whos in ?
I'm actually about to pull the trigger on this one. Going to try it myself to make my friends a wedding gift they'll really like. All you need are the right oak or hazelnut seeds and a fresh truffle.
Start oak/hazelnut seeds in sterilized soil, so no competing mycorhizae take hold. After a few months make spore slurry from a 1/2oz or so of truffle blended into a bucket of sterile water. Then you can hope for the best or at least examine the roots after a few months to see if your experiment worked. The roots should have black myc sheaths.
let me no how it works out, it would be well worth it if it works, and a great wedding gift if i may add
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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: tommyg615]
#19849391 - 04/15/14 03:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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this thread was from 2008, so...get a hold of the people who claimed they were going to do it, and wtf is up 6 years later.... we have a ton of truffles that grow in Michigan actually. no one knows it or knows how to hunt for them, but it isn't hard. a few people do and get plenty/year. They are not super high demand large truffles, but the super high priced ones are frankly for snobs and really fools, imo. People would like to think their palettes can discern the differences, but truth is they're mostly paying for a lot of hype. and if people drop the market out of rich peoples hype, then what is going to make them feel so special all the time? remember, they used to feed slaves lobster as a food source and oysters. and the slaves complained about it. so much is just a matter of perception and hype.
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