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PsilocyBen17
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WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question
#19836794 - 04/13/14 09:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey guys,
fairly new to WBS, have about 6 quart jars of it almost colonized. I have used tyvek filters over top of the lid. My question is, should I put a layer of microspore tape over top of the gas exchange hole before I put the filter down? This stops me from removing the tape once colonization has started as I would with BRF cakes but adds an extra layer of protection. To tape, or not to tape?
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bodhisatta
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#19836835 - 04/13/14 09:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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no tape ever not even for BRF jars.
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DeadHearts
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#19836855 - 04/13/14 10:00 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: no tape ever not even for BRF jars.
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PsilocyBen17 said: hey guys,
fairly new to WBS, have about 6 quart jars of it almost colonized. I have used tyvek filters over top of the lid. My question is, should I put a layer of microspore tape over top of the gas exchange hole before I put the filter down? This stops me from removing the tape once colonization has started as I would with BRF cakes but adds an extra layer of protection. To tape, or not to tape?
You can put tape on your jars yes. I do it every time. No issues.
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bodhisatta
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: DeadHearts]
#19836907 - 04/13/14 10:12 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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micropore tape sucks. It's not good enough for GE on a grain jar, It's like using a chain link fence as a prefilter for a mosquito net. it's useless and sticky. Even RR says in the BRF tek it's completely unnecessary
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DeadHearts
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: bodhisatta]
#19836922 - 04/13/14 10:16 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: micropore tape sucks. It's not good enough for GE on a grain jar, It's like using a chain link fence as a prefilter for a mosquito net. it's useless and sticky. Even RR says in the BRF tek it's completely unnecessary
To each their own. I have never had one single issue and have been doing it for years. As far as it not being good enough by itself maybe. But most people use tyvek as well. I use it simply because I don't want anything sitting in between the tyvek and jar lid.
Using tape is not going to hinder colonization or cause any contam issues plain and simple. You can use it or you can choose not to it really doesn't matter.
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bodhisatta
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: DeadHearts]
#19836938 - 04/13/14 10:21 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's just another layer of fabric that can get wet and then stay wet and not dry out since it's trapped in between fabric and the lid.
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TheMustardTiger
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: bodhisatta]
#19836949 - 04/13/14 10:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The dry Verm layer is your contam barrier. Tape is just overkill with brf jars. The filter disc is all you need for grain jars.
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LucySkyDuthie
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19836960 - 04/13/14 10:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've read posts by RR that says the micropore tape on BRF jars is to prevent contams that land on the verm from being pushed into the jar during inoculation
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TheMustardTiger
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: LucySkyDuthie]
#19836971 - 04/13/14 10:34 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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If they landed on the Verm inside the jar during inoculation the tape would only stop them from getting out, not in.
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bodhisatta
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19836974 - 04/13/14 10:35 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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LucySkyDuthie
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: bodhisatta]
#19837010 - 04/13/14 10:43 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The tape has holes poked in it after inoculation. I'm talking about stuff landing on it between the time you take it out of the cooker and the time you inoculate. Which you are supposed to be able to wipe off the tape before inoculation, but if you're saying they can get through the tape anyways well then I guess that theory doesn't really hold any water
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cronicr
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: LucySkyDuthie]
#19837153 - 04/13/14 11:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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LucySkyDuthie said: I'm talking about stuff landing on it between the time you take it out of the cooker and the time you inoculate.
just keep your foil on till you get there
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TheMustardTiger
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: cronicr]
#19837163 - 04/13/14 11:16 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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LucySkyDuthie said: I'm talking about stuff landing on it between the time you take it out of the cooker and the time you inoculate.
just keep your foil on till you get there
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DeadHearts
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19837173 - 04/13/14 11:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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MustardTiger66 said: If they landed on the Verm inside the jar during inoculation the tape would only stop them from getting out, not in.
The point is to keep them out. If you has contamanents on your Verm layer when first applying the lid well then you're probably fucked anyway.
The tape is just an extra layer of protecting the Verm layer of above the tyvek. It's literally not going to hurt you to use it.
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: DeadHearts]
#19837176 - 04/13/14 11:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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PsilocyBen17 said: hey guys,
fairly new to WBS, have about 6 quart jars of it almost colonized. I have used tyvek filters over top of the lid.
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DeadHearts said:
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MustardTiger66 said: If they landed on the Verm inside the jar during inoculation the tape would only stop them from getting out, not in.
The point is to keep them out. If you has contamanents on your Verm layer when first applying the lid well then you're probably fucked anyway.
The tape is just an extra layer of protecting the Verm layer of above the tyvek. It's literally not going to hurt you to use it.
it's also not gonna help
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bodhisatta
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: DeadHearts]
#19837180 - 04/13/14 11:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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It doesn't hurt to put a condom on after you shower just in case you need it later on in the day either.
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DeadHearts
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: DeadHearts]
#19837182 - 04/13/14 11:21 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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And just using foil for a lid seems stupid as shit if you are really serious about keeping contains out. Will it work? Yep. But a lot of you around here are so concerned about being sterile and "proper precautions" it's funny that foil would be considered over an actual lid.
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bodhisatta
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: DeadHearts]
#19837186 - 04/13/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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the verm barrier is your GE and contam filter on a PF cake, the foil isn't the lid just as much as the foil isn't the lid for grain jars...
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DeadHearts
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: bodhisatta]
#19837187 - 04/13/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: It doesn't hurt to put a condom on after you shower just in case you need it later on in the day either.
That's silly. Unless you are jacked on Viagra that thing would sip right off and down your pant leg
That analogy lol.
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cronicr
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Re: WBS and microspore tape gas exchange question [Re: DeadHearts]
#19837189 - 04/13/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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who the fuck said anything about just foil for a lid, you can follow us around spitting your oldschool bull shit all you want but we tell people what works best not what gets ya by, he is talking grain jars here
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