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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: erd0c]
    #20085556 - 06/04/14 08:54 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

The second picture of the original ones you posted is working


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Devoswitch]
    #20086389 - 06/04/14 11:47 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Shroomery images are still not working.... use offsite image hosting. I generally go with tinypic or postimage as you can resize the images.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20086675 - 06/05/14 02:46 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I ended up printing mine for about 17 hours, but think it was over kill - it looked as good as they did when I did them for 12 hours.

When gauging the colour of prints (in real life, not in photos), I think it's important to have as much light on it as possible. As mine were on my window sill, I just let the direct sunlight hit them for long enough for me to see the colour clearly. I don't think sunlight/uv is bad for spores, but better safe than sorry.

My philosophy is that, if two spore prints look alike under diffused-light (or 'shade') but look like two different colours under direct-light, then they should only ever be examined under direct light.

As for regarding photography of prints, this is really a different ball game.
When taking photos of prints on foil, light reflects off the foil towards the camera and can look really different through the lens of the camera.

A flash may counter this reflection, but a flash may also change the perceived colour of the print. I think the best way to go, regarding taking images of spore prints, would be to spore-print onto paper and then take an image using a scanner or to take the photo in direct-light - without a flash.

All of my prints looked of the same colour to one another, except for 4 - which although were nearly the same colour, I chucked out (along with the cap and stems). Again, one shouldn't be too cautious, even though I am "certain" they would have been subs.

I'm pretty cautious with this sort of thing, I guess it's because I don't want to have to get a new liver, but also I don't want to be second-guessing myself in the throws of a psychedelic experience.

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My prints look exactly the same as yours, I would say it is more red than purple, but ultimately it's entirely subjective.

Obtuse
First time I spore printed, I did it onto aluminium foil covered with a glass (champagne flutes were super effectively sized for smaller caps).

Because of a glass' inherent transparency, I find drinking glasses to be superior over opaque cups as you can see any condensation on the inside of the glass and on the foil, also - depending on the shape of the cap that is being printed - you may be able to see how much of the print has formed on foil underneathe.

But it has occurred to me, that even though looking through the glass is handy, it may be better to keep the caps away from all light; direct or diffuse.
Who can say?

The second time I printed (yesterday) I did the very same thing, but this time I had the rim of the glass propped up a crack using a toothpick (the sticks from a cotton bud actually... details...) in order to reduce the amount of humidity and thus condensation inside the glass and on the foil.

I saw someone doing this, on this site, but they used a sterilized cloth tea-towel to prop the glass up.

From what I gather, high humidity favors spore formation while low humidity favors spore dispersal, but regardless of this, I just wanted to have really dry spore prints so that I didn't have any moisture when I eventually stored them away.

My technique, propping the rims up with sticks, did not work and my glasses were full of moisture and some of the prints were actually really wet.

As the prints were on the windowsill, I let the sun dry them (probably not a good idea - this is baseless) and then folded them up in half and folded in the sides.

I put all 'sealed' prints inside a zip lock bag, flattened as much air out as I could before zipping the lock.

I put the zip locked bags inside a sealing-style plastic tupperware container, also with a desiccant sachet.

RE: Sterility
I have read guides on how to prepare spore prints in a nearly-sterile way (as possible in a house-environment) and made a brief attempt to do so yesterday before abandoning the idea for another day.

Here's what happened:
I put methylated-spirits (95% ethanol and presumably 5% methanol with bitterants/additives) into a spray bottle (spray bottle had not been sterilised) and sprayed my foil down and wiped it with a cloth (was the cloth sterile? No.).

I was then going to wipe the rims of each glass with methylated spirit before putting it semi-over the top of my caps, when I realised that I didn't want to be putting my caps (essentially a food product) ontop of a surface that contains methanol (or other unknown additives), even if it is only 5% - it's not worth the risk.

[sarcasm]If I wanted to experience the fun of formaldehyde in my body, I would skip the bio-synth and just drink it [/sarcasm]

I will attempt a sterile spore-print session again, only when I have ethanol.

Photos of my spore prints, are in in my other thread.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20086658#20086658

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I think you can't be too careful when picking wild mushrooms for consumption! I find the recklessness of many others astounding.

I have a dehydrator and have been dehyrating each until absolutely brittle/cracker-dry, powdering them in a coffee-grinder and capping them in 500mg doses and keeping all batches seperate. I put these caps into a zip lock bag with a desiccant sachet and store them in 'sealed' plastic tupperware containers.

I think this is good enough for now, but at some point I will begin vacuum sealing them into glass jars with metal lids - also with desiccant.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
    #20086738 - 06/05/14 03:46 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

These are the specimens. I afraid they may be unicorns and won't be here in this locale again. They were pretty old, I'm not sure if the small ones were stunted - but there was evidence of aging. There is some blue staining on the cap of the large one and stems of all three.


These were about 100 meters away. These had a richer red/copper look. There was no insitu staining (despite aged appearance, and unlike the above). Not sure what these are (only have a camera phone).






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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: erd0c]
    #20086744 - 06/05/14 03:50 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

those first three are all Psilocybe subaeruginoa

all the other ones, the red ones, are Leratiomyces ceres


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
    #20086876 - 06/05/14 05:28 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

bcaapi, it's always better to be safe than sorry. Being cautions when picking mushrooms can be the difference between life & death/serious poisoning. While you said a few prints looked a little different, they actually probably were subs, but like I said, it's better to be safe than sorry. In the end caution always pays off.

As for printing if you have a bottle which can spray water, try and lightly mist the caps before you print them. The added moisture should help you with making a better print. Light mist + cup/glass = nice print (well, at least most of the time).

Some mushrooms will give you a decent print in as little as 4 hours, and then others will give you only a very light partial print after 24 hours. It just depends how many spores they dropped before being harvested.

Personally, I usually print for 12 - 24 hours. I generally start printing in mid - late morning, and leave them over night until I wake up.

If you're printing just for an ID, 6 hours is probably sufficient enough. But if you're printing to give to someone to grow, then leave them for 24 hours so as many spores as possible can grow - hopeflly you'll get a nice thick print!


In regards to your comment about getting a new liver, I honestly don't know if that's possible. As far as I'm aware livers are not donated to people who need a transplant as a result of drug abuse.... but technically if you ate the wrong mushroom that wouldn't really be drug abuse (maybe attempted drug abuse, if that's a real thing?). I don't know, probably a bit of a grey area. I hope you never have to find out whether it's possible or not first hand. Amatoxin poisining would not be fun.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20086889 - 06/05/14 05:35 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

regarding the mechanics of spore ejection:

Spores are forcibly ejected off the sterigmata which holds them to the basidia.  the process is called Ballistospory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistospore). its one of those magic inventions by nature, where by using the natural humidity around the fruiting body and the reaction caused by the osmotic pressure from exuded sugars the spore is shot away from the basidium to a safe distance from which it then falls.  This is why its best to make a spore print under a cup as the moisture levels can be maintained to make a better print.

I usually print for 24 hours then remove the caps and replace the glass so that the spore print then dries out.  some mushrooms need this long to get a decent print.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20086895 - 06/05/14 05:40 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, and BTW... any of you Tassie hunters who have any sub spore prints you don't want please PM me - I will buy them from you if you have a decent amount. Obviously I won't be paying big dollars for them, as I can easily print them myself.

I want them printed on foil, and I want nice, thick prints. Size is not important, as long as it's a good print (not a partial print). Also, I need the foil to be roughly 8cm x 8cm, with one print on each  piece.

If you have 10 or more of these send me a PM with pics of what you got if possible, I'm sure we can work something out.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20086923 - 06/05/14 05:58 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Not quite the log that blessed had but here goes..
Some I found in a new spot today



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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Subhunter]
    #20086964 - 06/05/14 06:28 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Not quite the log that blessed had but here goes..
Some I found in a new spot today






Lookin good mate!

The ones Blessed found looked like they were growing directly from a fallen tree, or at least that's what I thought. Either way, those were some great finds (and pictures) he had.


Yours are nice looking too, just a shame there wasn't a whole cluster growing on there... still a good pic though, thanks for sharing!


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20089512 - 06/05/14 07:03 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Nevermind
Thanks for the spore-print info, hopefully I'll have it down to a fine art in no time.

Mushroom poisoning truly scares me - enough so, that even after the process of research, field-identification, assistance from trusted identifiers, spore-printing, acceptance and preservation/preparation I still second-guess enough to just throw the whole lot away.

I take very little comfort from the idea that if I homogenise a massive batch, maybe if there is only a single or couple of unwanted toxic mushrooms that at least it's unwanted substances has been spread so thinly throughout the batch so as to be negligible.

It makes me wonder that if I could have made a single, or a couple of slip ups that maybe I have made many, many more.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
    #20089573 - 06/05/14 07:17 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

It's good to be scared. There are a lot of people with no respect for mushrooms - generally these people have never picked mushrooms, or done any research, and they are over-confident assuming they can just pick anything and eat it, and maybe if they're lucky they'll trip. Usually those sort of people end up in hospital. You will hear about them every now and then in the paper during this time of the year.

Being scared while you're new is a good thing. In the end, you'll be much safer. As time goes on though you'll get more confident and won't need to do spore prints and ID requests.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20090439 - 06/05/14 10:30 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

My finds from today... just so I can keep up with the rest of you guys, I found my own 'log' mushrooms today as well  :cool:



Will check my other patches tomorrow.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20090591 - 06/05/14 11:11 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Hello all, Just arrived here from QLD , after finding an amanita on the drive down here in Canberra it got me researching psilocybe in Tas.
With the information i gained from this forum i was surprised to see that subs grow here not like the cubensis growing out of cattle shit in the tropics of QLD. With the aquired knowledge gained here i had a wonder around my hometown halfway down the eastcoastline. I started in woodchip beds and found alot of fungi , just not the right kind.
Today i went on a little hike 20 mins drive in from the coastline.
After a bit of a hike up a hill with no results i remembered a spot i stopped at upon arriving here in Tas which was suprisingly colder than everywhere else and had a rainforesty feel to it.
Upon arriving at said spot a one off find was made out in the open pretty much in a spot ready to be stood on , quite a large mushroom .
A little more of a walk around the area and i found a nice little patch with quite alot of pins and some older rotting subs ( rained here 3 days ago  ). Very happy with the finds but still would like some conformation.
first find
habitat
picked
the patch





Thanks for all the information throughout the forum guys :grin:


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: ayepeacee]
    #20090787 - 06/06/14 12:02 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

All subs, well done. Good pictures too... and the habitat looks very nice.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20090800 - 06/06/14 12:05 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Good looking finds there folks - makes me want to get out and find new spots everyday.

I've been having the craziest mushroom and mushroom hunting dreams for about a week straight now.

In a dream last night, I stumbled across bizarre puppet-like beings who all choreographed themselves into a very strange dance/performance for me.

One of these beings was headless and was rotating a very large multi-spoked wheel in front of its self in a juggling-like fashion.
At the end of each spoke, was a head.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
    #20090810 - 06/06/14 12:12 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

ayepeace, just so you're aware, we do not have cubes in Tasmania, so don't even bother looking in cow shit like you would in QLD. Also, there have been reports of subs being found in SE QLD... I was looking at an old thread not too long ago where someone found some subs in (from memory) a rainforest in SE QLD.

bcaapi, I used to dream about hunting for mushrooms as well... I had some very strange and vivid dreams, but nothing quite like yours :lol:

Also, when I trip on mushrooms, a lot of my closed eye visuals are of mushrooms. Seems as though others experience this too.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20090831 - 06/06/14 12:21 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Nevermind said:
ayepeace, just so you're aware, we do not have cubes in Tasmania, so don't even bother looking in cow shit like you would in QLD. Also, there have been reports of subs being found in SE QLD... I was looking at an old thread not too long ago where someone found some subs in (from memory) a rainforest in SE QLD.




That was me, pretty much exactly a year ago. Not sure whether they were exactly Psilocybe subaeruginosa or a closely-related wood-loving Psilocybe, but close enough I would have called them subs.


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Tas75]
    #20090837 - 06/06/14 12:23 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

That's right, completely forgot it was you. Nice find btw. How far from NSW (roughly) were these found?


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
    #20091255 - 06/06/14 02:58 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Went for a little adventure today ate 4g dry subs and went for a wander. Here's some pics of  inactives





Couple of subs



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