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Tas75
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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
#20072294 - 06/02/14 04:38 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd call that a sub.
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obtuse
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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Tas75]
#20072725 - 06/02/14 07:58 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Id say its a sub, just from the look of it and the bluing.
its really hard to say from the colour of that print, as it almost looks brown at that angle, but i know light can play those kinds of tricks, especially with foil. is it purple/black? can you provide a better lit shot at a better angle. maybe it would have been better if you used white paper instead.
keep an eye on that spot as i wouldnt be surprised if that log is colonised with mycelium.
i also know that desire to want to find something cool. it may be the same as what you found in your bathroom, spores spread so easily, and if it was an aggressive strain of whatever it was, then maybe its taken a foothold.
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mushroom_spider

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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: obtuse]
#20076210 - 06/02/14 11:16 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Big success today, found my largest patch yet. Subs were quite different in shape and size than what I am used to seeing - fat, up-turned caps with thick and tall stalks.
Here is but a small area of said patch:
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Nevermind


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Some good sized subs in there, nice finds! Looks like you got there just at the right time... a day or two later and they would have probably started to rot.
In my experience, I have found the the larger subs often have quite a lot of maggots in them - both in the gills and also inside the stems. I'd check them thoroughly if I were you.
They're fine to eat, just a bit of protein, but they're not nice to look at and make the mushrooms a bit off putting...
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mushroom_spider

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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
#20076934 - 06/03/14 04:37 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nevermind said: Some good sized subs in there, nice finds! Looks like you got there just at the right time... a day or two later and they would have probably started to rot.
In my experience, I have found the the larger subs often have quite a lot of maggots in them - both in the gills and also inside the stems. I'd check them thoroughly if I were you.
They're fine to eat, just a bit of protein, but they're not nice to look at and make the mushrooms a bit off putting...
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I was walking away with the haul - two or three days later and they would have started to turn too much to consider picking. Most are pretty good as I examined them just now when placing into the dehydrator, but maybe a couple of days ago they would have been a little better with smaller caps just starting to open. You know, closer to that perfect age for picking cubes when the veil is just starting to break.
All the old manky ones are destined for my wood-chipped garden.
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erd0c
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This was in a northern Tasmania park, children's play area. I looked all around, there were no others to be found. I'm new to the island. I've drove to areas where I thought I might find some, but with no success. These just popped up, when I wasn't even looking for them. "She" is very interesting that way, isn't she?


Edited by erd0c (06/04/14 05:46 PM)
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Nevermind


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: erd0c]
#20081659 - 06/04/14 05:04 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomery images aren't loading at the moment, so it's hard to tell what you've got there.
I see you're new to the Shroomery, but maybe you're not new to picking mushrooms... if you know 100% it's a sub then well done... if you're unsure, wait for the images to work properly and someone will ID for you.
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erd0c
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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
#20081684 - 06/04/14 05:18 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Nevermind. I didn't pick it. I'll go back to do some recon soon. I'm fairly confident, she was sitting under a pine. there was some staining on the stem. There was no veil.
If I do get a chance to pick it; I'll get some gill shots and a print. No rush here.
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Nevermind


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: erd0c]
#20081700 - 06/04/14 05:27 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great, at least you seem somewhat educated in regards to mushroom picking. If you can see blue bruising, it's all good. To be extra careful though, take a spore print (should be purplish to blackish) for a sub.
More pics will be helpful... and if shroomery pictures still aren't working when you upload them, upload to a free image hosting site and then post them on here so we can assist you quicker... but I imagine images will be all good within the next couple of hours.
Good luck mate
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bcaapi

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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
#20081816 - 06/04/14 06:40 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Went for a big look around today, I think it finally paid off!
Need some help with ID though - I'm having difficulty with the concept of mushroom bruising.
I found many sub-like mushrooms today, that all resemble each other, except some are bruising blue almost immediately, and others just seems to bruise a very dark colour after a long period of time.
Could anyone, especially Tassie people, care to take a look and help me ID?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20081802#20081802
To save cluttering up this thread, please post responses in the thread I created.
Edited by bcaapi (06/04/14 07:34 AM)
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obtuse
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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
#20081833 - 06/04/14 06:48 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Check my response.
good to go mate, as i said, looks like youve got your eye in.
nice one
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Nevermind


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
#20081840 - 06/04/14 06:52 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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They all look good mate. Spore print to be certain, but I'm pretty confident you've hit the jackpot.
Well done buddy.
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bcaapi

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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: obtuse]
#20081923 - 06/04/14 07:32 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Nevermind and Obtuse What a great (island) season we live in.
If these turn out to be subs, I have found an extraordinary patch. Those conical - almost perfectly lampshade like - ones are amazing.
I picked 29 that I was sure of, left about 20 pins. Saw about 50 more, ready to pick as I was walking away - but these definitely need a closer inspection/spore printing.
Regarding the subs I snipped from this post: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20059136#20059136
I left them to print for about 12 hours. The colour of their print resembled the prints I have seen from images online.
I don't really think of sub prints as being 'dark purple', looks more to me like a dark red lipstick colour. That dark reddish/brownish colour. It's all a bit subjective really
Edited by bcaapi (06/04/14 07:33 AM)
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Wavetek
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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
#20081969 - 06/04/14 07:45 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I found a few today in my usual patch 
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Nevermind


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: bcaapi]
#20081988 - 06/04/14 07:52 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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bcaapi said: Thanks Nevermind and Obtuse What a great (island) season we live in.
If these turn out to be subs, I have found an extraordinary patch. Those conical - almost perfectly lampshade like - ones are amazing.
I picked 29 that I was sure of, left about 20 pins. Saw about 50 more, ready to pick as I was walking away - but these definitely need a closer inspection/spore printing.
Regarding the subs I snipped from this post: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20059136#20059136
I left them to print for about 12 hours. The colour of their print resembled the prints I have seen from images online.
I don't really think of sub prints as being 'dark purple', looks more to me like a dark red lipstick colour. That dark reddish/brownish colour. It's all a bit subjective really 
They are subs mate, I'm very confident each and everyone you labeled is a sub. Great pictures of them in their habitat too - nice job.
You've got some good examples of the extree varying in appearance of this species. Some will look almost like a completely different species, but they're all usually subs... there has been a few confirmed different species, but just about any mushroom you pick will be a sub if it doesn't fit the classic description.
As for the spore prints, these are how mine look....

NOTE: The black print is Panaelous cintulus, disregard that one

As you can see, with the flash of a camera it's usually a nice purple print. Without flash it's a dark brown, almost light black print. They should take 6 - 24 hours for a print. 12hours is usually a good time, but 24 will give you a better print. Adding a cup over the cap will help you to get a better print
EDIT: Actually now you mention it, I supposed you could almost say they were a very light read. Lighting makes a big difference when phographing prints. Might be helpful to take one with flash and another in a well lit room without flash.
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obtuse
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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
#20082138 - 06/04/14 08:56 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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when making a print it is important to cover with a cup.
it helps to maintain the humidity. Spores are dispersed in very humid environments, the mechanism that ejects them requires it.
it also helps maintain a little sterility, remember there are other spores in the air everywhere. If you were to ever do agar work with those prints it just makes it a little harder, not that the ones picked outdoors will print sterile anyway, but pays to minimise.
i prefer that bottom pic. i dont like flash on foil, i guess its my own idiosyncrasy, but feel that the colour is not true. foil is good for sterility and storage, but to get a better representation of colour, paper is my preference.
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Nevermind


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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: obtuse]
#20083677 - 06/04/14 03:14 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm the opposite, much prefer foil as I believe it makes the prints easier to see.
All the prints I've ever received have been on foil(but these were obviously for cultivation), but for just generally trying to ID a I guess it doesn't matter if it's paper or foil.
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mushroom_spider

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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: Nevermind]
#20084111 - 06/04/14 04:46 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good finds bcaapi - great to see you having some success and also that you are careful in what you pick / asking for an ID. Nice work.
I assume you've got your preservation and storage methods sorted out?
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erd0c
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I'm not sure what happened to my image, I've tried re-uploading it several times. This will be my last attempt:
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mushroom_spider

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Re: * Tasmania Season 2014 * [Re: erd0c]
#20084797 - 06/04/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Try using something like imgur.com
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