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Some ariocarpus update pics. They doing fine, just give them a drink of fertilizers and water, before that they were long time without water at all.. These bastards are hard to see exactly when these grow and so on..

 I feel serious urge to add flowering small peyote picture. I have lophophora & ariocarpus at same grow spot with some summer heating adjusted to be good but not scorching.. .
Some of my ariocarpus plants are my first "serious" cactus plants.. Don't even remember when I got them but for sure few of them have grown very well!
Edited by intelligentlife (06/27/14 02:09 AM)
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ferrel_human said: Im gonna keep this thread alive because I love this genus. 
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I'm not yet too enraptured by ariocarpus, but that is a beauty in it's ugliness!
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Re: Ariocarpus Growers Unite! [Re: total]
#20213739 - 07/02/14 01:49 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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The latest issue of Xerophilia has 2 articles on Ariocarpus
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Rescue translocation of „in situ” cactaceae: the case of Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus
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Tula, Tamaulipas: where Ariocarpus agavoides (Castañeda) E.F. Anderson and A. kotschoubeyanus var. albiflorus (Backeb.) Glass, meet.
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LSoares
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Mostly_Harmless said: The latest issue of Xerophilia has 2 articles on Ariocarpus
Thanks, M_H. 
Anyone noticed their Arios budding in advance, this year? I've got buds showing on a couple of A. kotschoubeyanus!
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Re: Ariocarpus Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
#20219409 - 07/03/14 12:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSoares said:
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Mostly_Harmless said: The latest issue of Xerophilia has 2 articles on Ariocarpus
Thanks, M_H. 
Anyone noticed their Arios budding in advance, this year? I've got buds showing on a couple of A. kotschoubeyanus!
No but my godzilla has a mohawk.
New hair is fluffing at the top. I can expect some flowers like October.
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Re: Ariocarpus Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
#20361907 - 08/01/14 07:42 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone noticed their Arios budding in advance, this year? I've got buds showing on a couple of A. kotschoubeyanus!
Not so far - but my Ariocarpus are always the last to flower in the autumn.
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Re: Ariocarpus Growers Unite! [Re: Spanishfly]
#20364339 - 08/02/14 11:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are Ariocarpus spp. pretentious cactusi to grow? I heard they grow very very slow and have problems with watering but i don't trust the people that said it. Thanks
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Re: Ariocarpus Growers Unite! [Re: peyotillo]
#20412018 - 08/13/14 08:01 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow this thread is full of amazing specimens
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Edited by Corporal Kielbasa (08/17/14 11:41 AM)
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ferrel_human
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Is this a flower bud? 
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Or two. Upper left I think I see something peeking as well. Anyway, you'll know before the weekend's over, those things develop at lightning pace.
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My sudden find!!! I need to say, this species haven't ever flowered in my care(until now i was amazed!)
I hope I am at right time home to see when this cactus open it's flower totally, probably tomorrow morning it have flower open.. So cool... I have think it's impossible to get ariocarpus flowering at arctic, seems they adjust slowly to their new climate(afaik this flower in habitat 1-2months later? and there is total darkness that time)
Ariocarpus Fissuratus v. Intermedius (9-10cm diam.)

This is from area Cuatro Ciénegas(or near by Cuatro-area anyway) what comes to label I had with this.
When I should wait this flower to open? (seems it's likely open at morning)

I could have probably miss this if I haven't check my windowsill from outside today while I watching mammillaria flowers.
I am going to follow this very much to be right at time when flower opens and share picture there, let's see how long others take to start flowering, or do they skip some years or not.. I have never seen IRL Flower of ariocarpus btw..
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Cacti sure do love you, IL.... good stuff
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Re: Ariocarpus Growers Unite! [Re: cowsRmeat]
#20660703 - 10/05/14 10:35 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: Cacti sure do love you, IL.... good stuff
They love my absence. Sun is their number one love.

Because of my absence I have sometimes missed flowering plants.. Damn it's sometimes hard to be just there to take pics when flowering happens..
Next grow season I look forwards very much..
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So, do you think the full winter darkness and super short days work in your advantage for dormancy period of the cacti? Obviously, you have to keep the freeze off them, but do you do anything else special for them during the winter?
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Re: Ariocarpus Growers Unite! [Re: cowsRmeat]
#20662135 - 10/05/14 03:43 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: So, do you think the full winter darkness and super short days work in your advantage for dormancy period of the cacti? Obviously, you have to keep the freeze off them, but do you do anything else special for them during the winter?
I don't care to do work for cacti over winter, today not even seek bugs.. My garden have been full of spiders and now I haven't seen any bugs.. if there are bugs, I take care of them when season starts...
I have decided I work only 6months over the year when cacti grows. Depends what species but I fertile them about 1-5 times per year and water 5-20 times over summer, some lophs and ariocarpus may have got only 1-3 drink per season, depends much when it's sunny.
My watering goes simply by the way of nature.. Even at grow season I don't mind always water my plants, if I have watered them like week ago.. I let plants be in long drought over grow season, then when I know they are thirsty and sunshine comes for few days.. I give drink for them.. I make always sure they are dry when happens to be warm period.. Those sunny days I can't know for sure when they comes so I don't mind watering them. Important to me is when new sunny hot season comes, I can water my plants.. So watering goes very random and nature rules my watering cycle. I don't want to make things too complex.
Those plants can tolerate lots of drought.. Actually some cactus I have managed to kill to drought because forgot to give water. Only 2 mammillaria plants have died to dehydration this summer.
Trichs I can grow fast enough via fertilizing.. Even they sure can tolerate more water, I just don't remember or want to water them before I know it's new hot and sunny period coming.. This way I start my spring watering (not by looking calendar) when it's few days long sunny days so they woke up from dormancy when nature allows it.
I have 2month long day during mid-summer, no official dawn or dusk. Dark nights comes at August, dark nights end at May. Whole June-July I have 24hour sun, about 12-14h direct. Mid-summer sun shines to my cacti at 5AM and stop shining directly at 7PM.
Plants have only dark nights at spring and fall. And day length reduce/increase +1hour/week ..bridgesii skin always develops back ooze spots because sun changes position over sky so fast. Other trichs doesn't mind about so fast moving sun. Thing is: spring flower plants may freak out because they don't get mid-night dark. They flower from March-(early)May and then drop buds when it's not even dark anymore. Now days reduce length so much some winter flowering plants doesn't actually even flower near mid-winter because sun goes very fast away.
They got cold enough trough glass I have, I just use fat curtains to prevent cool temperature behind curtains to mix room temperature. Actually curtains are invented because they prevent cold leaking air mixing to warmth inside house.
It's pretty hard to explain, if I had camera I could record 12months and do it fast going video, it would be easier to show how much and fast sun changes it's position. Cacti will flower, it's just they stop their flowering (spring and fall flowering species) because night dark disappear or dark time get very fast long nights. Mid-winter there are no official dusk or dawn, some light can be seen at horizon but "dawn" last ~1hour at mid-winter.. light is so weak it can be seen it's just sun glow away from horizon.
Anyway, in environment where cacti are extremely hard to grow like mine, some simple things what people don't know from cacti because their climate is just easier to grow.. Many growers may miss some obvious things.. I have had to learn to keep those plants alive and healthy years before I actually realized what they need and what is just irrelevant.. So I have learn trough experience and from books(what doesn't actually help much in here arctic but however..) what cactus plant needs and what is the thing they don't like at all..
Total darkness isn't good but I can't do anything for them.. It's one reason cacti may grow slim and fat sections so clearly, especially columnars, and spring time when sun shines every day more and more intensively some may shock every spring to fast increasing light levels.. Actually most species grow more bigger spines when they are literally baked at direct sun 12-14hours. That amount of direct sun is actually impossible to most people to achieve.
What I have find out about when I grow cacti with HID-lights, 12/12 light period they grow slim and 20/4 light period cause columnars grow more fat.. no matter of spectrum of light with this, even I know blue spectrum gives more fat grow, red spectrum gives more length.. I can use sun anyway many many hours more than anyone else, direct sun light.. Cacti need to adjust for it but they do okey when they have adjusted to it. My trichs goes always pale during grow season at night time and day time skin goes back to normal. So I actually compensate arctic sun weakness with length of the day, It doesn't differ from artificial light in that sentence, more day lenght = more fat the grow. So I have calculated I get most of the sun to use by keep them in corner of house where I have big windows to south-east and south-west.
Also by allowing sun shine so much inside the house, I don't need to warm up my house much because sun does it. Compared to other people house they need to warm their house to have enough room temperature, my house doesn't need electricity to heat long time at spring and fall (if sun shines) so it benefits also that way.. summer time I need A/C because cactus grow spot had max last year record +42.5C or so.. But most of the time there are colder so some excess heat in house during sunny summer days isn't much..
1/4 year are only too hot in my house, rest of the time sun gives enough heat I don'e need to use electricity to heat my house. Mid-winter I have to heat cause sun have gone away and there can be frosts of -40C.. (locals doesn't mind about -20C frosts, at -30C or lower people starts to complain "too cold")
Anyway, after years go by I can show much more about how cacti goes(I have moved 3times in 4 year..) but now I have more permanent home.. Last winter I moved at -30C outdoors, I doesn't even protect my plants, just carry them from old house to new one. they wasn't mind be some 30-60seconds in deadly frost.
Most people just look too much one short period temperatures.. I would say about more warm climate growers: Calculate average temperature from hottest time of day to coldest time of day. If average is ok, short few degree frosts doesn't matter to most cacti... If they can tolerate (when dormancy is going) cold car and then they tolerate it I move them from car to house.. Short period of even -30C frosts doesn't cause instant death to cactus, so.. -1C or -5C nights are okey as long as most of the time day temps goes +10C..+15C. maybe growth tips may got frost bites but usually it's minor damage and columnars keep on growing.
I have my l. fricii forgotten to -20C outdoor mailbox.. They was drop to my mailbox and I check it next day, assumed plants are dead(they felt like ice blocks) still those fricii are growing atm.. Those bastards tolerate more colder you may even think, especially during hibernation when they are so dehydrated it takes time the water actually even frost inside the plant.
I may know better how different species react to 24hour mid-summer light over 2months and how they react over dark winter, but last season those plants just doesn't grow at all when sun was away, drought and cold was enough. Last winter they had dormancy only from January to March, I moved at January 2014 so I moved plants directly to corner-windowsill. But I can clearly see how fat those 2months mid-summer growth are compared to spring/fall growth when there is dark time during night.
Actually there are so bright during summer night most people can't sleep.. I have used to sleep when it's light because I have used to it, some goes depressed over winter, but in another way, always comes new summer.. 
These videos may help some to understand the complex way how actually earth and moon goes around. There are also very low tide(or not at all) because moon re pretty much enough far away from my location. However, star sky also are very different from southern locations, during summer it's almost normal sun and moon are visible in the sky same time, but what comes to my interests towards stars, I can't follow them over summer because it's impossible to see them(except one very bright star only visible at northern hemisphere at early/late summer. Sun and moon "goes around" the sky instead of rise from east and set to west. Aurora Borealis are very cool and they can last minutes and cause "crack" noises from sky.. But I am more closer to north pole compared to Spain or other south EU countries. I can go to arctic circle by driving 1hour towards south.. I'm located about 100kilometer to north from official arctic circle.
This is proper video, no need to write much.. not from my country but very same way sun goes around mid-summer, camera can reveal spectrum change and I believe night/day bloom cacti know when to open flower by feeling the spectrum of sun and ofc light intensity(even humans can't tell difference is it night or day, same brightness 2months)
During summer I can estimate time pretty accurate(+/-2hours) by just looking how long shadows sun casts and ofc changing spectrum can be seen at mid-night because it's very yellow color sun beams, I just need to know month so I can estimate time simply by looking shadows from trees/buildings. Without time lapse, full moon is very pleasant to see at winter, whole snow glows very bright.. same time you can see clearly moon moves towards west, it goes pretty fast and it can be seen easier there. Moon is always very low, it's very low compared to horizon always. It just goes around and can be seen also as day time if it's position happens to be another side where sun is, so moon can be seen from blue sky with sun another side, during full moon.. Also stars go almost same way around the sky when it's dark time of year. Most starts also travel "around" during winter, and I can know clock pretty well simply by looking where the stars are.. During summer ofc sun is enough to see what time it is.
This is mid-winter light cycle. Some light can be seen but sun isn't actually above horizon totally.
Especially my own yard I can tell more accurate what time it is by looking sun(at summer) and star sky(at winter)
That video should give idea about how I can use +12hour direct sun without no problems. In greenhouse (if it's right spot) mid-summer can be used to cook plants in 24hour light if clouds doesn't block sun. That's just too much.. Greenhouse is best tot build the way they receive 3-4AM sun so it heat up the coldest period of night.
Edited by intelligentlife (10/05/14 05:13 PM)
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