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Heyowana
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21578809 - 04/22/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Difficulty I have with P.alutecea classification is that it grows on manure. None of the 3 types of liberty caps I have found do this. They all grow out of soil. The collection I have made recently all are coming out of the soil with a leaf covering the base of the stipe. The native grass was cropped heavily before the heavy rain. I did see wallaby manure at that time but not since the rain. So these mushrooms along with the other 2 types behave more like P. semilanceata. They get their nutrient from herbivore manure but don't grow on it. I'm thinking Australia may be a bit like Mexico and have lots of varieties of P.semilanceata type mushrooms. Just wish others felt the same here.Then who knows what may show up.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21578892 - 04/22/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Feeling that something might be something else is totally different from fact. My suggestion was just that, a suggestion. These are more than likely not P. alutacea and nobody knows what these are. We need a collection of these mushrooms to be viewed by somebody who knows what they're talking about. These are not Liberty Caps, they're something new and interesting.
Make some spore prints and dry some specimens out to preserve. Hopefully someone wants to look at these. I'd do it but currently cannot take micrographs, and there's better microscopists here than I. If push comes to shove I will scope them. This is the only way you will get confirmation on the species. Anything else is speculation and will get us nowhere in finding out the truth.
Definitely a cool find. Congrats. Now go dry some specimens out for science. Off you go!
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: karode13]
#21578965 - 04/22/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alan asked me to send some for DNA sequencing. I'm waiting to hear back for details about how to send them and where to. Thanks for your comments.I'd be happy to send you some when you have the time. I'm just picking older specimens. Should I include ones at different stages of growth from button to old?
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21579202 - 04/22/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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bluemeanie said: Trusted identifier doesnt mean much to me since one of them described the microscopic features of subaeruginosa wrong. ..
Care to elaborate?
Quite the bold claim, provide a link would you Heyowana?
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Heyowana said: I forgot to share images in gallery. They are there now under Heyowana p14 of letter H. I think they look good with a bit of midday sun on them. Tried to make one my avatar but as you can see it did not work. I was looking at photos of P.alutacea in the link above and can see similarities. The colour of the stem is darker on my collection. A
Copy and paste them here if you want people to help mate
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Straya]
#21579285 - 04/22/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have been putting it off but I might travel to Far north Qld next monsoonal season and collect the tropical liberty caps that grow there. For they fruit very heavy when they crop between end of November and begining of Feb. Need very wet humid conditions.I have some spore prints at someones house if they haven't thrown all my things out like me. They were taken in 2006.Sounds too old. I have read 2% malt agar could work.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21580154 - 04/22/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Heyowana
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: knarkkorven]
#21581844 - 04/22/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks knarkkorven for organising the two links. Picked some more specimens for ID today. Saw a new one that hasn't opened yet. I'll collect it tomorrow and get a sporeprint.I'm really enjoying this. Thanks everyone who has contributed to this thread.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21582997 - 04/23/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those pics do look a lot like alutecea actually.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#21583032 - 04/23/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alan doing dna would be ideal as at least in some species cystidial firms can vary between phenotype and regional collections.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#21583249 - 04/23/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm really excited. Can't wait to find out. I know this is an ID forum but weight for weight they are potent and weird. I look at the ID specimens longingly. Oh well now everyone knows. At 55 I can still get excessive with these sort of mushrooms. I think it would be a lovely way to say farewell to the world whenever that may be. Make the transition easier I think. When I used to get into P.subaeruginosa and Panaeolus cyanescens I'd be reading books about P.semilanceata and its tropical relatives and wishing I could find some. That was 30 years ago when I wasn't that particular about identification.Some of the Panaeolii would give me a rotten migraine. I'd use Pan cyans as the cure. Their high Psilocin content would blast the migraine away in half an hour. At least P.cyan is good for something besides a paranoic short lived trip in large dosages.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21583269 - 04/23/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes bluemeanie I agree about P.alutacea being similar. I'll probably annoy everyone though if I carry on about it. To me P.semilanceata is closer. Interested to hear about the DNA profile that's for sure.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21586425 - 04/23/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I googled-psilocybe sp that grow from soil with a gelatinous pellicle.Top of the list P.semilanceata.P.strictipes mentioned however the stem is different The stem and bluing of P.strictipes matches the mushrooms I collected 50 km due N from here. The blueing on P.alutacea looks more remniscent of that on a wood growing or dung loving psilocybe. Check out shroomerys ID page for P.semilanceata.There is a photo of some in a persons hand that look similar.Gills look similar as well. Please don't take any offense to my comments T.I's for they are my own subjective observations.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21588002 - 04/23/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Semilanceata has only been found at altitude in tasmanian and at two locations in victoria also at altitude so it would be unusual for it to appear at your location.
we will wait with interest. Strange shit can happen.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#21590054 - 04/24/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would completely rule out P. semilanceata here, based on:
*Wrong habitat *Most mushrooms lack the distinct papilla *A large percentage have convex caps
I think tou should change the title of the first post in this thread from "Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer" to "Unknown active Psilocybe species fruiting in Australia in Summer" and you would probably get some more attention to the thread...
I see that all your mushrooms grow from substrate with clay and some kind of long leafs from a bush or tree? Do you know what species that might be?
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: knarkkorven]
#21591288 - 04/24/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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knarkkorven, the leaves belong to one of the Eucalypts.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: inski]
#21592299 - 04/24/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes the species of Eucalypt is New England Blackbutt. Uploaded some more photos today.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21593640 - 04/25/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Inski: Thanks. So, what's your opinion on these mushrooms?
Heyowana: Great! Keep em' coming.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: knarkkorven]
#21595335 - 04/25/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Inski: Thanks. So, what's your opinion on these mushrooms?
Heyowana: Great! Keep em' coming.
You're welcome:) I can't really say much about the mushrooms in question without closer examination, microscopy and DNA. I would consider something around P. strictipes, possibly a new species.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: inski]
#21596104 - 04/25/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I picked 20 specimens yesterday for ID. The two fresh ones left a purple black spore print. I have three good spore prints now. It is blowing a cold SW wind today drying everything out. The 6-8 remaining ones are very small. I'll go and photograph them later today as it may be the last opportunity. Still it could be another month until we get frosts on a daily basis so they might flush again with some rain. Inski I would be very interested in sending you samples and a spore print. Just let me know if you are interested.
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Re: Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. [Re: Heyowana]
#21596223 - 04/25/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have been checking out shroomery threads on P.strictipes and came up with a quote which went roughly like the key in identifying P.strictipes from P.semilanceata is the stem will snap easily in the former species. If that's true it would count all three of the species I have collected as they all had a sinewy kind of stem I've come to associate with Psilocybe species.
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