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Offlineinvi
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Extraction questions
    #1977386 - 10/03/03 09:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i wanna do an extraction leaving me a crystal as endproduct.

i read a trough different archives/forums today/tonight,
and i am more confused now then before :wink:

i read a lot about methanol, chloroform, ...
but also found some "simple" techniques, and wonder if they really work,
or how good they work in comparision to the advanced TEKs ?


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...If you have access to everclear or golden grain alcohol,
Just soak said material in it for 2 weeks shaking every day.
Filter first through a wire seive, then a cotton filter, then a paper coffee filter.

You may then want to repeat with the filtered material to make sure it all got out.
The liquid should be put in the fridge.
The crystals should precipitate at the bottom overnight. This is to see how much you got.
After you do that, you can take it out of the fridge and put a fan on it.
It should evaporate quickly.....



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i know the 2 weeks are a little bit long, think 12 - 24 hours should work,
but does this really form crystals :confused: which i can dry,
and then have something simmilar to salt or sugar crystals ?



i also wonder about a still more simple method :smile:

Shulgin says :

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The isolation of psilocybin seemed to be quite reasonable.This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized.




and on Erowid i found something in the description of the molecule psilocybin :

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MELTING POINT
220-228? C (Crystals from boiling water)
MELTING POINT
185-195? C (Crystals from methanol)





So is it possible to just boil the fruitbodies in water to get out the magic, filter it and then boil the water in the oven at 225?C ?
from what i read above, or let?s say : how i understand it :wink: , this should form crystals, which i can easily collect, by just filtering the water while its still at 225?C.... 


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: invi]
    #1977508 - 10/03/03 11:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i read the other night that it is possible to extract psylocin from myclium with cranberry juice and just make a frothy nasty drink that will get you off. Havnt personally tried it, but i am very interested in the extraction process and plan on making crystal once my batch arives.

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Re: Extraction questions [Re: ]
    #1978582 - 10/04/03 09:20 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yes with the juice will work,
but you have a juice not crystal;
and you have to use it quick........


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: invi]
    #1978641 - 10/04/03 10:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well I haven't as yet tried ethanol to harvest precipitated crystals, but so far done the crude methanol extraction on 30 grams dry coffee-grinder-to-dust cubes. The report back was intense, clean and came on fast.



















Tell us how it went on your crystal extraction?


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: Starter]
    #1981309 - 10/05/03 02:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Starter, what do you do with the tar? I have done the same extraction and I have tar but I don't know what to do with it.


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: theaquaman54]
    #1981415 - 10/05/03 03:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You can put the tar in a small botle and pour in 96% ethanol to store in the fridge and later drop that into some orange juice to drink or simply drop the tar into some orange juice and swish and drink. I found it impossible to get it into capsules. I think the crystals would be best as a syringe with a good sized point could pull them up and then easy to handle/administer.


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: Starter]
    #1981725 - 10/05/03 05:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

OK...
now i understand....you CANNOT bring water to 228?C, cause at 100?C it goes into steam :smile:))

but i thought maybe one can boil the water with the mushpowder;
then filter it and bring it to nearly O?C - just before it will go ice...
so then there will maybe be crystals forming, cause it psb is soluble in boiling water - mybe not so good in real cold water...
any comments on that ?

or is one possible to get a "clear" liquid, which you can maybe let evaporate on tea oder something ?


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: invi]
    #1981770 - 10/05/03 06:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

recrystalising from boiling water is not the same as boiling them in water. you recrystalise by adding just enough boiling water to your crude extract to dissolve the stuff, then cool to drop the product out of solution and filter/wash to get the gunk off. you can repeat this process to get celaner/clearer crystals. i reccomend methanol as a recrystalising solvent, though as it boils at a much lower temp.
you really dont want to boil tryptamines in water. they ARE heat sensetive, especially in aqueous solution. the polarity of the solvent really pulls on the delicate heterocyclic rings, an effect which is augmented by heat. with recrystalising, its ok becaue you should olny have the temp of sol'n at 100C for long enough to solvate everything. THEN huck in the fridge.


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: doktor_alternate]
    #1982329 - 10/05/03 10:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

never even thought of it but how could you ingest the crystals..just eating it, or would it be possible to crush it and snort it.  would this change the effects/ duration...i would assume it would come on quicker, and last less time.  Be worth a test if anyone actually does figure out how to get pure crystals not just goo. Also...could you smoke it, that'd be a nice way to top a bowl right? :cool:

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Re: Extraction questions [Re: ]
    #1982623 - 10/06/03 12:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

different drugs behave differently through different modes of administration. different. different. different. diff.....

so like, if you eat DMT, it dosent do shit. if you smoke dmt, it fucks you up good. if you rail dmt, though, it lasts for a little longer, and comes on slower (15min. instead of seconds).

so the same prinicipal is with 4-hydroxydimethyltryptamine. though, if youre doing an extyraction... mushrooms have alot of urea in them which will be extracted with the psilocin (theyre both alkaloids), and that dosent smell very good imho.


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: doktor_alternate]
    #1983605 - 10/06/03 12:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The only way I've ever got it to crystalize well is through an acid/base polar/nonpolar extraction, first.  Methanol extractions work fine, but yeah -- you end up with a tar -- just stick it into gelcaps :wink:

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Re: Extraction questions [Re: doktor_alternate]
    #1983606 - 10/06/03 12:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Extraction questions [Re: micro]
    #1983628 - 10/06/03 12:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

micro said:
The only way I've ever got it to crystalize well is through an acid/base polar/nonpolar extraction, first.




how does this work ?

and ist "petroleum ether" the same as "wash benzin" or "wash petroleum" ?
or anyone knows where to get it in germany without calling a chemistry supply ?


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: invi]
    #1984002 - 10/06/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Dilute acetic acid acid extraction -- pH to 4, I think, and let it dissolve, then re-pH to 8 and do an ether extraction. It was in a previous post in this forum under a subject like "tryptamine cubensis.)

I then reextracted with methanol at the end.

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Re: Extraction questions [Re: micro]
    #1984473 - 10/06/03 07:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

@micro
the method i found is for crystalizing psilocin not psilocybin....


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Re: Extraction questions [Re: invi]
    #1984542 - 10/06/03 07:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So? That will extract psilocybin, too. I'll quote:

"The crystals should precipitate at the bottom overnight. This is to see how much you got.
After you do that, you can take it out of the fridge and put a fan on it.
It should evaporate quickly....."

Sounds like you're evaporating, not just precipitating crystals. This is a simple alcohol extraction which works fine. Using 100% methanol should make your product more stable (along with putting the dry product in the freezer.)

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