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Offlinewingnutx
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READ THE REPORT
    #1975760 - 10/03/03 12:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

From Andrew Sullivan

READ THE REPORT: If you think that David Kay's report on Iraqi WMDs can be adequately summarized by idiotic headlines such as: "No Illicit Arms Found in Iraq," then you need to read this report . If you believe the following "news analysis" by David Sanger in today's New York Times summarizes the findings of David Kay, then you need to read this report this report. Sanger's piece is, in fact, political propaganda disguised as analysis, presumably designed to obscure and distort the evidence that you can read with your own eyes. His opening paragraph culminates in a simple untruth:

Quote:

The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector in Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this reality: that Saddam Hussein's armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the world.




That is not what the administration claimed. (The Times has even had to run a correction recently correcting their attempt, retroactively, to distort and misrepresent the administration's position.) The administration claimed that Saddam had used WMDs in the past, had hidden materials from the United Nations, was hiding a continued program for weapons of mass destruction, and that we should act before the threat was imminent. The argument was that it was impossible to restrain Saddam Hussein unless he were removed from power and disarmed. The war was legally based on the premise that Saddam had clearly violated U.N. resolutions, was in open breach of such resolutions and was continuing to conceal his programs with the intent of restarting them in earnest once sanctions were lifted. Having read the report carefully, I'd say that the administration is vindicated in every single respect of that argument. This war wasn't just moral; it wasn't just prudent; it was justified on the very terms the administration laid out. And we don't know the half of it yet.



THE "IMMENENT" CLAIM [Jay Nordlinger]
About David Kay?s report on WMDs in Iraq, the New York Times?s David E. Sanger writes, ?. . . nothing found so far backs up administration claims that [Saddam] Hussein posed an imminent threat to the world.?

Here?s what President Bush said, in his State of the Union address, January 28, 2003, shortly before he took us into Iraq: ?Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations will come too late.?


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1975763 - 10/03/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1976108 - 10/03/03 01:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

it's funny how the entire country has it all wrong, eh?


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: afoaf]
    #1976133 - 10/03/03 02:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think the entire country has it any particular way.


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1976239 - 10/03/03 02:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If you think that David Kay's report on Iraqi WMDs can be adequately summarized by idiotic headlines such as: "No Illicit Arms Found in Iraq

So what illicit arms were found in Iraq?

THE "IMMENENT" CLAIM [Jay Nordlinger]

"No terrorist state poses a greater and more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq," - Donald Rumsfield



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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: Xlea321]
    #1976332 - 10/03/03 03:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Programs are enough.


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1976355 - 10/03/03 03:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"Programs" consisting of what?


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: Xlea321]
    #1976366 - 10/03/03 03:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Here's one example:

New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.



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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1976389 - 10/03/03 03:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

You do know that "continuing work" and "research" may consist of nothing more than a guy doodling on a peice of paper?

Does a peice of paper scare you?


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: Xlea321]
    #1976394 - 10/03/03 03:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

By all means carry on your tradition of defining terms to fit your argument. Don't expect me to respond further to such dishonest tactics, though.

Have a good one :smile:


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1976413 - 10/03/03 03:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

LOL!

They found no WMD. You swallowed a gigantic load of bullshit whole. Deal with it.  :laugh:


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: Xlea321]
    #1976423 - 10/03/03 03:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: 


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: afoaf]
    #1976767 - 10/03/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
it's funny how the entire country has it all wrong, eh?



Just the ones who never actually took the time to see if Bush actually did call Iraq an imminent threat.

A read of the transcript of his speech shows he did not. Nor has anyone been able to provide proof he ever did.


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1976816 - 10/03/03 05:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

strawman


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1976826 - 10/03/03 05:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well he actually says "the administration". As we've shown Rumsfield said precisely that.


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: Xlea321]
    #1976972 - 10/03/03 06:06 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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As we've shown Rumsfield said precisely that.



Precisely? Only if your definition of the word differs from the norm.


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Re: READ THE REPORT [Re: wingnutx]
    #1980732 - 10/05/03 06:11 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

On 10 July 2003 an ISG team exploited the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) Headquarters in Baghdad. The basement of the main building contained an archive of documents situated on well-organized rows of metal shelving. The basement suffered no fire damage despite the total destruction of the upper floors from coalition air strikes. Upon arrival the exploitation team encountered small piles of ash where individual documents or binders of documents were intentionally destroyed. Computer hard drives had been deliberately destroyed. Computers would have had financial value to a random looter; their destruction, rather than removal for resale or reuse, indicates a targeted effort to prevent Coalition forces from gaining access to their contents.


Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The basement historical files were systematically selected and destroyed.

LOL!

Look at the room! "selected destruction" for sure...  :smirk:

I got the pic and quote from:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html 


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