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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1985569 - 10/07/03 12:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

A concert isn't public property. If you don't like the rules they have there, don't go.

You didn't have to give up the water. You could have left with it.


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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1985585 - 10/07/03 12:27 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Why, when gun loving Americans are asked to give up their guns, do they claim their rights are being taken away? Many of the same people could go to an outdoor concert, have a bottle of water confiscated by security and just accept it as the price of livin' in the USA?




1.) Read the bill of rights

2.) When you enter the grounds of a concert, you are voluntarily agreeing to their rules


Edit: Damn I'm slow on the draw...


Edited by Observer (10/07/03 12:30 AM)


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Re: gun control [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1985631 - 10/07/03 12:43 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

There are still more deaths of innocent victims caused by drug and alcohol abuse than there is with guns.

What do you mean "innocent victims"? Do you mean if you drink and smoke heavily for 30 or 40 years your health might be affected? Or do you mean drunk drivers killing "innocent victims"?

Let's not forget also that a large part of gun deaths are caused as much by drugs as they are by guns.

Come again? Are people are being attacked by deadly wraps of cocaine?

If this was the case why arn't thousands of people being killed by guns in the UK where there is just as big a problem with drugs?

Way to only care about your own rights Al.

Not my rights I'm worried about. I'm more worried about the rights of people getting blown away by assholes with guns. John Lennon for example.


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1985652 - 10/07/03 12:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Is this what it's all about to you? Is that why you want to deprive people of their rights? Because some rock star got his head blown off?



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Re: gun control [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1985661 - 10/07/03 12:53 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

No, innocent people getting shot is what it's all about to me. And there are no rights being deprived to anyone for christs sake.

Again, could you clarify what you mean by "innocent people" killed by drugs? Is this innocent people who choose to take drugs?


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1985677 - 10/07/03 01:03 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

No I've clarified that a dozen fucking times. I'm talking about people who get killed because some asshole got drunk or hopped up on coke, or crack, or mushrooms, or LSD, or vicodin, or whatever, and ran them over, or shot them, or stabbed them, or tried to peel them because they thought they were a bananna.


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Re: gun control [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1985698 - 10/07/03 01:11 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

BH: *A concert isn't public property. If you don't like the rules they have there, don't go.

*You didn't have to give up the water. You could have left with it.
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1.) Read the bill of rights

2.) When you enter the grounds of a concert, you are voluntarily agreeing to their rules
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We're talking about WATER here not anthrax. The concert my gf had in mind was in a (Very big) PUBLIC park. It was free to the PUBLIC. It was on a GREAT LAWN.

There were no vendors selling h2o (or anything else!) inside and we had to show up hours before the show to get a good seat. Once inside, we could not leave and return.

Funny, they never confiscated my weed.

Damn cottonmouth!

The terrorists are winning!

Of course, I support terror by smoking pot. :rolleyes:
 


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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1985730 - 10/07/03 01:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs do cause crime. Mainly because they are ILLEGAL, addictive, and they cost so damn much.

Addiction often leads to theft and violent crime.

Mental health problems lead to pealing a person like a banana (now there's a mental image!).


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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1986001 - 10/07/03 03:44 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it is legal to hold any sizeable event and not supply free water and restrooms.


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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1986360 - 10/07/03 09:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Evryone should have the right to protect themselves. Right?

no. not everyone can be trusted with a weapon, nor should weapons be allowed in every location. convicted violent felons should not be allowed to carry weapons.

people give up their right to carry a weapon for self-defense when they prove that they would just as soon use it to initiate force.

a violent criminal has done so. a peaceful, law-abiding citizen has not.

in america, the general population possesses an estimated 200 to 240 million guns, only a fraction of a percent of which are used each year to commit violent crimes.

adults with clean records have every right to possess firearms for sport and self-defense. convicted violent criminals do not.


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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1986362 - 10/07/03 09:23 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Why, when gun loving Americans are asked to give up their guns, do they claim their rights are being taken away? Many of the same people could go to an outdoor concert, have a bottle of water confiscated by security and just accept it as the price of livin' in the USA?

you're entering private property.


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1986385 - 10/07/03 09:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 25,168 people (who had not been drinking) were killed in alcohol-related collisions 2000.

compare that to the stats for murders by gun that year.

total killed by driving drunk in 2000 was 41,821.

compare that to all gun deaths that year.

it would seem that drunk driving (a type of irresponsible drug use) is not only more dangerous to the individual actor than guns are, but to innocent other people as well. go figure.

http://www.madd.org/stats/0,1056,2476,00.html


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1986412 - 10/07/03 09:51 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I had a friend of mine read this post. This person was absolutely undecided on the issue of gun control.

After reading the entire post, He concluded that the only arguement that made real sense was the one presented by the pro-gun side.I guess I should have said the :wink: pro-right side.
 


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Re: gun control [Re: sirreal]
    #1986414 - 10/07/03 09:51 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

excellent.  :thumbup:


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    #1986471 - 10/07/03 10:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

total killed by driving drunk in 2000 was 41,821.

No, you misunderstood, that's the total of ALL traffic deaths.

According to data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2000 America experienced the largest percentage increase in alcohol-related traffic deaths on record. 17,380 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes - an average of one every half-hour. These deaths constituted approximately 41 percent of the 41,945 total traffic fatalities.

In 2001, 17,400 people were killed in crashes involving alcohol, representing 41 percent of the 42,116 people killed in all traffic crashes.(New Fatality Analysis Reporting System, FARS, NHTSA 2002)

In 2002, 17,419 people were killed in crashes involving alcohol, representing 41 percent of the 42,815 people killed in all traffic crashes, according to NHTSA data.



http://www.madd.org/stats/0,1056,1112,00.html

compare that to all gun deaths that year.

Total firearms deaths for 1998: 30,708, down 5 percent from 1997 (32,436) and down 22 percent from a 1993 peak (39,595).



Looks like the number killed by guns is WAY ahead of drunk drivers.



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Re: gun control [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1986476 - 10/07/03 11:02 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

No I've clarified that a dozen fucking times. I'm talking about people who get killed because some asshole got drunk or hopped up on coke, or crack, or mushrooms, or LSD, or vicodin, or whatever, and ran them over, or shot them, or stabbed them, or tried to peel them because they thought they were a bananna.

Any figures to back that up? We've established there's WAY more gun deaths than drunk driving deaths for example.


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Re: gun control [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1986493 - 10/07/03 11:12 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Because some rock star get his head blown off?

come on man. show some respect.





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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1986505 - 10/07/03 11:16 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

No, you misunderstood, that's the total of ALL traffic deaths.

yep, looks like i did. you're right on that.

Looks like the number killed by guns is WAY ahead of drunk drivers.

you are aware that either way, this has little bearing on the subject at hand, right?


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    #1986514 - 10/07/03 11:19 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Just pointing out the facts mush.


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    #1986561 - 10/07/03 11:37 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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