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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197382 - 06/25/98 03:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Hey FireHawk! The idealistic side of me says "hell, yeah - what a great way for all the mushroom enthusiasts to come together and put one over on the U.S. Government and its Draconian drug policy!" But then the realistic side of my thinks it's not such a great idea.

It's not that I have any problem promoting illegal activities (at least when the laws they're breaking are complete bullshit) - if I did, this site would have maybe one document on where to find mushroom in Holland and that's about it. But it seems to me that creating a forum specifically dedicated to getting contraband past customs is positively begging for trouble. When (not if, when) someone gets caught for this, they won't only have to take the rap, but certainly NightChild, Aphex, myself, Andrew Edmond, the Lycaeum, and everyone who's ever visited any of those pages can be made indirectly responsible through the brilliant rhetoric of lawyers. What better argument for infringing on our first amendment than that we are actively promoting illegal activity to the point where we are making available a list of people who will assist you in breaking the law? More practically, I'm not looking forward to what I imagine would be an inevitable United States vs. The Shroomery lawsuit. I imagine that after several appeals we'd win and it could be a good opportunity to get a decisive ruling in our favor, but I'm 16 years old and have less than no desire to be the defendant in a federal court case. I can't speak for NC or Aphex, but I'll bet they feel the same.

Keep in mind this isn't a veto - I'm just giving feedback like everyone else at this point. Like I said, I think the idea's great and if there is a way to pull it off, I'm 100% for it. But think over my comments. It might be more trouble than it's worth. Certainly, if people want to find mushroom enthusiasts in other countries who will assist them in slipping a package past customs, they can do so with the currently available resources on the Shroomery and Usenet, without involving more people than the sender and reciever.

-Y

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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197384 - 06/25/98 10:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Whew! You just saved me a lot of typing, Ythan. You hit the nail on the head. We can teach you how to do things, but there is a certain point at which "free speech" turns into "conspiracy". Someone can teach you how to build a bomb, but if they start conspiring about blowing up federal buildings...get my drift? I know there is no comparison between mushrooms and bombs, but the law is another matter completely.



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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197385 - 06/26/98 06:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Hey that's why I asked. No Problem I respect the constructive crit. also you made very good points I did not think of. But what a Dream.....

FireHawk



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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197386 - 06/26/98 06:34 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

It would be nice though... But we all have lives to lead outside the prison (I hope anyway).....

Oh My... I have a DREAM.... We all kick in to buying some Island, name it Psilly Shores, and create a Psilly Cult and live in psilly huts, and live Psilly Lives with psilly woman, having psilly sex with psilly orgasms, growing psilly food and have lots of psilly children. "I don't think so".. Oh my :smile:



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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197387 - 06/27/98 09:20 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

hey, where do I buy a ticket to Psilly Shores and how much does it cost? My bags are already packed for a psilly voyage. :smile:


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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197388 - 06/27/98 02:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Forget buying a ticket! I'm moving over for life! :smile:


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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197389 - 06/27/98 03:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"How I wish that somewhere there existed an island for those who are wise and of good will."

- Albert Einstein



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Re: A Union of Sorts
    #197390 - 06/28/98 09:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

alas, it wouldn't last for very long. the bad people would show up sooner or later.
(w/out good people, who would the bad people stick it to?)
eh, sorry...i'm just in one of those pessimistic moods again :-(

book me passage though...gotta try to stay one step ahead.



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