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SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches??
    #1973418 - 10/02/03 06:14 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Shrooms Cure Headaches??


I, like others, have been suffering with Cluster Headaches for 10 years now. I can't imagine why this pain is simply referred to as a "headache." :confused: I cannot honorably describe just how painful they are, but if you are interested just visit www.clusterheaches.com.

As someone with my dilemma often does, I am searching for a remedy to my terrible pain.  I was pleased and quite surprised to find a link that claims LSD and Magic Mushrooms will not only make my headaches go away, but also cure me of them all together!!  "No way", I thought....:shake:

I have not tried a substance such as Shrooms for about 15 years now, but I am considering trying them again.  Regardless of the outcome I am supposed to achieve according to www.clusterbusters.com, I am interested to know the "current level of head pain" people on these message boards are experiencing. 

Do you experience headaches, migraines, etc.?  It has been determined that by eating Shrooms (or LSD), it is nearly impossible to develop a headache during the trip and for weeks afterwards.  Is this true for you?  It spells relief for me if it is. :grin:

Please respond and tell me whether you DO :thumbup: or DO NOT :thumbdown: suffer from headaches.  This is an important survey for me.  If you, or someone you may know, engage in "tripping", and is headache free, I'd sure like to know about it.  It would really help my personal research.  Thanks in advance for responding. 

(Maybe just respond with, "No Headaches" or "Have Headaches"  Thanks!)

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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1973424 - 10/02/03 06:18 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i do not get headache's, not ever. The only one i can recall since ive been tripping heavy (couple years?) was initiated by salvia...and i had a few from impact or loud music....

but generally no, im headache free all the time.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: PDU]
    #1973432 - 10/02/03 06:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the quick response. I'm not too familiar with Salvia, but I think the active chemicle in may differs from Mushrooms and LSD? According to my research, Imatrex, the popular headache drug, works on the same premise as Shrooms and Acid.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1973468 - 10/02/03 06:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

before I tried shrooms I would use to get minor head aches about once or twice a week. I dont really get them much now, I never really thought that mushrooms could be the reason why they stoped. Hope it works out for you.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1973476 - 10/02/03 06:42 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Sumatriptan (imitrex) is a modified DMT molecule. A very close friend of mine who suffers from CH, had terrible reactions to it. She wants to make the pain go away, but she does not want to trip. Has anyone had success treating cluster headaches with below-threshold dosages of P. Cubensis.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: one800chiapet]
    #1973578 - 10/02/03 07:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Sumatriptan (imitrex) is a modified DMT molecule.

Correct. Sumatriptan is essentially sulfonated DMT, while psilocybin is essentially phosphorylated DMT.

A very close friend of mine who suffers from CH, had terrible reactions to it. She wants to make the pain go away, but she does not want to trip. Has anyone had success treating cluster headaches with below-threshold dosages of P. Cubensis.

Yes, although there has been a higher rate of success with Level 1 to Level 2 doses. For the majority of clusterheads, Level 3 doses appear to be no more successful than Level 2 doses.

A lot depends on whether the clusterhead is episodic or chronic, and whether the dosing is done between "cycles" or in the midst of one. Sub-hallucinogenic doses taken between cycles appear to prevent new cycles from occurring at all. But if dosing is first begun in the middle of a cycle -- one which has established a firm grip on the clusterhead -- higher doses are normally required, and it is common to need more than one dose to terminate the cycle.

Note that I have been talking so far of the most ambitious use of shrooms (or LSD) in treating clusterheads -- the termination of an entire cluster "cycle". Several clusterheads have reported remarkable success with placing a small chunk of dried mushroom under the tongue in order to abort individual headaches. In these cases, there is no noticeable "stoning" effect, yet the headache vanishes in ten or fifteen minutes. With this method of dosing, the psilocybin can be thought of as a "natural Imitrex". I personally can't be bothered with this, since I have no fear of tripping -- I'd much rather abort the entire cycle than deal with the headaches one by one. It should be noted that it is not unusual for a clusterhead to get hit with a cluster headache multiple times in each 24 hour period, for months at a stretch.

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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1973663 - 10/02/03 07:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

ClusterHeadaches writes:

I, like others, have been suffering with Cluster Headaches for 10 years now.

I used to suffer from them. I don't anymore, thanks to psilocybin.

I can't imagine why this pain is simply referred to as a "headache."

Indeed. My only guess is that since the pain is felt above the neck, the word "headache" seemed a logical one. In my case, the pain in the head, bad as it was, paled in comparison to the pain in my eye. It feels (or felt, to be accurate) as if someone is trying to yank my brain out through my right eyeball with a red-hot crochet hook. Female clusterheads with children have described it as trying to give birth through the eyesocket -- four or five times a day for months on end.

I was pleased and quite surprised to find a link that claims LSD and Magic Mushrooms will not only make my headaches go away, but also cure me of them all together!!

That is not quite accurate. Psilocybin and LSD will not cure you of them forever. They are a treatment rather than a cure. You will probably have to dose two or three times a year for the rest of your life if you are an episodic clusterhead, and maybe as often as every six weeks to two months if you are a chronic clusterhead. Results vary.

It must be noted that there are a very few people who claim to have followed all the recommended dosing guidelines laid out at clusterbusters.com yet still get cluster headaches, but I have no way of verifying that they in fact followed directions scrupulously. Part of the requirements for success with hallucinogens is that the patient be completely free of any lingering traces of certain medications which may interfere with the action of the hallucinogen. Unfortunately for clusterheads, some of the more effective non-hallucinogenic meds are either known to interfere (i.e. any ergot-based meds) or strongly suspected of interfering. It is a lot to ask of someone rolling around in agony several times a day to refrain for at least five days in a row from reaching for a med which he knows will provide at least some relief. I will admit that I personally am not strong enough to do so, which is why it took so long for the shrooms to break the first cycle in which I tried them -- I just couldn't hold out, and reached for the Fiorinal and the Imitrex when the going got tough. Even at that, though, it only took about five or six Level 2 trips to end the cycle, and two of those "trips" would more accurately have been described as Level 1. If I had been med-free, it probably would have taken just two or three doses instead.

I cannot claim that 100% of clusterheads dosing with these hallucinogens will get 100% relief. However, there are almost none who won't experience at least some relief (and often substantial amounts of relief for days or even weeks at a stretch) with shroom therapy.

It works. No hype, no bullshit. It works.

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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Phred]
    #1973787 - 10/02/03 08:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

what a gift, good luck to you. :heartpump:


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1973921 - 10/02/03 09:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I barely ever get headaches and when I do its not bad at all....and goes away very quickly.....I have never had a migraine or cluster headache either....but I have seen ppl who get them tho so I know how shitty they must be....neways I don't think in my case its the psilocybin preventing them but I do believe it works for ppl so I would give it a try


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Phred]
    #1974160 - 10/02/03 10:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

so is there anyway to de-sulfanate imitrex and get some straight n,n dmt from it ?


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Infrared]
    #1974218 - 10/02/03 10:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Probably, but it's hugely expensive, complex, and not worth the effort. A single 50 mg. Imitrex pill will run you around $15 to $20. Makes more sense to extract it from natural sources.

I don't exaggerate when I say that cluster headaches bankrupted me. Imagine consuming 4 to 5 Imitrex pills per day for 4 to 7 months out of each year for ten years -- paying full pop for the pills. I had no medical insurance.

Not only is psilocybin much more effective, it's basically free (psilocybes grow wild here). A single syringe, a bale of straw and some casing material, and you've got enough medicine to dose for the next ten years. I just wish I'd known about it from the first headache on.

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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Phred]
    #1975089 - 10/03/03 05:49 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I very very rarely get headaches. Usually when I get a flu/fever/cold.
But I'm also not a heavy tripper.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1976963 - 10/03/03 06:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I don't suffer from headaches.

Maybe I get one or two mild headaches a year..Of course, before I was into psychedelics I didn't get headaches often at all either so I can't really say if it effected me with regards to headaches..

But there's my answer


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1977410 - 10/03/03 09:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It wont cure them, but psychadelics are known to stop a cluster head cycle.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: baraka]
    #1979216 - 10/04/03 04:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Strange, I never get headaches except for when I trip hard. I usually end up with a headache the next day that lasts a few hours. Maybe my brain is just put together wrong.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: bert]
    #1980249 - 10/05/03 01:38 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I just had a headache the other day from a syrian rue+shroom tea+shroom choco. It lasted the next day but was very mild, enough to make me feel a bit more down though.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1981087 - 10/05/03 01:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The last time I tripped I got a hangoverish kind of headache the next day. As far as chronic headaches like migraines or clusters, though, I've never been prone to them, before tripping or after.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: MarioNett]
    #1981260 - 10/05/03 02:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I get a headache every time I trip shrooms


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Harbinger]
    #1981683 - 10/05/03 05:32 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I've actually noticed in the past, extreme headaches that last only a little (30 seconds to 2 minutes) while when doing strenuous things in the days after tripping.



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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: potsmkr]
    #1983721 - 10/06/03 01:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

No [sober] headches ever occur for Swim, but the comedown from alpha-o makes his head "feel like its gonna explode and turn into a buncha little baby heads." <--- Quote from one of swims buddies. Man that hurts!!! Occasionally 2c-i will give produce a mild headache at the comedown also.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1983769 - 10/06/03 02:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I have a friend that gets cluster headaches about once a year. They last for around a month or two and then go away for another year. As you mention, calling these a 'headache' does not do them justice.

My friend says that she can tell when the headache period is about to begin. If she eats a low dosage of mushrooms (~1/4 to 1/2 gram, dry... not even enough to really feel anything) whenever she feels the 'indicators', the the headaches simply do not form (or grow).

Eating the low dosage has taken her from two months of pure agony to a week of uncomfortable 'I hope this works again'. I would give them a try and see if they help, were I you, based on what they have done for my friend.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Seuss]
    #1983996 - 10/06/03 03:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I have been tripping on LSD and shrooms for years. I barely ever get headaches.

ps- I'm just curious if you have ever tried weed to get rid of headaches?


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    #1984171 - 10/06/03 04:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

> I'm just curious if you have ever tried weed to get rid of headaches?

For my friend, smoking cannabis (weed) actually made them worse rather than better. You really cannot think of cluster headaches as headaches... my friend has literally begged me to kill her before when they got really bad.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Seuss]
    #1986455 - 10/07/03 11:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

For my friend, smoking cannabis (weed) actually made them worse rather than better.

This is the case with all clusterheads. I have yet to find a single one who says smoking weed makes them better, and plenty who say it makes them worse. There are a few out there for whom it seems not to make a difference.

You really cannot think of cluster headaches as headaches...

Indeed. The condition is actually a syndrome -- a collection of symptoms. In Europe the condition is often referred to as "Horton's Syndrome". The symptom that (rightly) gets the most attention is the astounding level of agony in the eyeball and one side of the head, but there are other symptoms that go with that pain. Runny nose, blocked sinus, red eye on the affected side, copious tearing from that eye, sleep disorders and intestinal distress and more.

...my friend has literally begged me to kill her before when they got really bad.

She's not alone in that, either. If I had had access to a pistol a few years back, I would not be here writing this. It's that bad. Another name for this condition is "Suicide Headaches". While the number of clusterheads who actually do kill themselves is low, there is probably not a single clusterhead out there who hasn't seriously contemplated it.

I'm very glad to hear your friend has had success with them. Her method of waiting until the warning signs of an impending attack are unmistakable is one that most of us use, although those who regularly take them every six months or so (warning signs or no) say that by doing so they never develop even the warning signs. My reason for waiting till I know a new "cycle" is on the way is that I want to track the length of remission period I get from each dose -- scientific curiosity more than anything else.

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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: gir]
    #1986577 - 10/07/03 12:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I've never had headaches.
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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: chasingstardna]
    #1988520 - 10/07/03 11:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yesterday I tripped with a fairly high dose (7.5g) around 4pm. Around 9 as I was coming down I started smoking lots of top-quality pot. Sometime later after the shrooms wore off I had one drink.

I fell asleep still stoned and with a slight headache around 1am. I woke up with the worst headache of my life at 3:30 in the morning. I did briefly consider suicide because of this headache. I forced myself from bed and took 9 little 81mg asprin and 5 ibuprofen. I drank some water, thinking I probably was dehydrated and then tried cold water on the back of my neck. That has helped some migranes in the past, but this didn't.

I laid down and tried to sleep for a few minutes and then vomited twice and felt a little better and was able to sleep. I woke up to my alarm at 11 and felt fine. I usually get headaches while coming down and after using saliva, but noting like this. I only hope it was from too much pot after the shrooms and not entirely the shrooms.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Tantalus]
    #1989089 - 10/08/03 03:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

could have also been the mix of alcohol + shrooms. even tho you didnt drink a lot, I have read many times that alcohol and shrooms dont mix well, and that could explain why you threw up too.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: ClusterHeadaches]
    #1989324 - 10/08/03 07:17 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i have gotten headaches the day after taking mushrooms, but i associate them to lack of sleep or iron (whenever i conciously take enough iron, or get sleep before tripping, i don't have headaches)


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: poke smot!]
    #1989674 - 10/08/03 12:18 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Try to consider the "day after" any trip or big party you can feel like shit or have a headache for that matter. Just from the fact you didnt get much sleep at all and most of all you probally didnt eat anything within the last 18 hours. Atleast thats the way it is with me....I dont eat anything 2 hours before I trip....then the 6 hour trip....then I pass out for about 8 to 10 hours. But the headache usually goes away after I eat and drink something and maybe take a some tylenol. But I've never gotten a "SUICIDAL" headache.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: orizon]
    #1989857 - 10/08/03 01:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

> But I've never gotten a "SUICIDAL" headache

Imagine what it feels like to have an ice pick being stuck through your eyeball into the back of your head. Now imagine that pain, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for month after month after month... never letting up, never going away. Image that everytime you move, or think, or do anything the pain gets worse and worse. And it never goes away... you cannot eat, you cannot sleep, you cannot think, all you can do is lie in bed and suffer.

As I have said before, a cluster headache isn't your average hangover and really shouldn't be called a headache. Another poster described it as a syndrome, which is much more accurate.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: gir]
    #1992128 - 10/09/03 03:47 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i get headaches once in a while. used to get them way more. i suffer from fucking migraines but i actually havent had one in a long time. maybe tripping has had something to do with this?


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    #1992138 - 10/09/03 03:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

blah sorry for the second post right after, wasnt thinking but , yeah i've tried using pot for headaches. works wonders most of the time. sometimes burning out hard will give me a headache. and migraines are THE WORST PAIN EVER! i asked my mom if giving birth or a migraine is worse and she said migraine. so chicks can't bitch to me about having to go thru childbirth and shit cuz i've had migraines before lol. but man do they fucking hurt and yes i've wished i could die while having them before. it's pain beyond pain. it's on another level. everything hurts you more and you can't do fuck all. moving hurts. light hurts. sound hurts. smell hurts. everything.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1992291 - 10/09/03 05:28 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

fuck, i've never heard of clusterheadaches outside of this arena, why is it such an overlooked thing? Damn if its that bad we should be pouring money into research, i'm sorry bro, hope the shrooms heal you.


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Re: SERIOUS QUESTION! Do "Trippers" suffer from headaches?? [Re: Noviseer]
    #1992327 - 10/09/03 06:14 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

This is a little off topic from the trippers getting headaches thing but 1st through around 8th grade I was a victim of suicidal-cluster headaches. They started out as just light little aches in the back of my head and then worked there way forward into exposive pounding pain. Its almost like the pain pulsed and no meds or anything could take care of them. I got them 2-3 times a month and my mom flew me all over the country where Cat skans-psych exams and various other tests were performed and the doctors found NOTHING. Besides the terrible pain I also had blurred vision/lines spots and the pain would build up to such a large amount that I would throw up every 30 minutes and after I threw up the pain would ease a tad....(like from a level 10 to a level 9.) Of course this was called dry heaves cause after I threw up the first time, I would just throw up stomach acids and gag for 5 to 10 minutes. Then the pain would build up again 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 etc....yo get the point. Well this lasted sometimes up to 2 whole days where I was bed-ridden and try to just sleep it off gagging in bed. I remember my mom flying in some Indian guy from across seas that was looking at me and even some kind of energy lady or something like that. Well one day the headaches just stopped...and I havent had one in about 5 years....And the time when they stopped was just about the time I tried Pot for the first time. Coincidence??? Ill never know but as long as they never come back Im happy.

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