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OfflineJazzMatazz
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6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI
    #1972056 - 10/02/03 09:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Im planning on taking 6 grams tomorrow.
Considering Ive still got some Syrian Rue laying around I thought why not save three grams and take 3gr + 3gr of P. Harmala.
I questioned the Magic Mushroom Dosage Calculator (i.e: The Shroomery Oracle), which said this would be the same.
I checked up on Erowid (Syrian Rue + Shrooms) , and someone here says :
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Regarding increased intensity, it is reasonable to expect that a 3g Syrian Rue + 3g fungi experience is going to be somewhat more intense (perhaps by a factor of two) than a 3g fungi experience alone since one is adding the MAOI and entheogenic effects of 3g Syrian rue to the 3g of fungi.. However, please note that this does *not* mean that it is going to be equal to a 6g fungi experience since one is not in fact taking 6g of fungi.




Others state it is more "ancient" (meaning maybe spiritual) and making you unable to move more likely than 6 grams of shrooms.

My setting would be the "6g in total darkness", accompanied by chill-out, goa and favourite other stuff.
I would definately like a strong spiritual trip, but being unable to move sounds freaky...
The most Ive done was 4 grams, which was ok to handle except for a "thought-loop": I couldnt stop thinking, that I was thinking, that I was thinking, that I was thinking, that I was thinking....
This would be my second question:
What to do , if I get into a similar problem? If I cant move I cant change the setting, which would fuck me up!

So, in a nutshell: MAOI , or not? and why?
What to do in probs? (I would have a friend upstairs , who I could phone to pic me up in great depression)

Thanks,
Jazz


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1972275 - 10/02/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

My experience:

3g+maoi = strong but mellow level 3 that lasts about 10 hrs...
6g+no maoi = very harsh mid level 4 that lasts about 6 hrs...

(my data point is actually for 7g /w no maoi)

Remember that we are all different and what works one way for me may not work the same way for you.  I assume you know the dangers of taking an maoi as well.  If not, read up on them first, please.  :smile:


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Seuss]
    #1973364 - 10/02/03 05:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, ive already taken an MAOI, but on n,n-DMT.
A think Ill go for the 6 gr straight.


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1974477 - 10/03/03 12:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Something you might wanna check out - my trip report entitled "Meeting Gaia" in trip tips. It was 4 grms mushrooms + 3 grms Rue.

I just did the 6 g mushrooms + 3 g Rue trip this past Saturday. Very good, but didn't turn out to be as memorable as the previous one for whatever reason.


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Pala]
    #1974503 - 10/03/03 12:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

5grams of cubes is the same ass 6 grams of dried beaocystis

I DISAGREE in the most humble way possible and say

WHAT THE FUCK

I pick these every year and they are WAY stronger than cubes

a million stunzi's and a couple of beaos and I am set!


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1974565 - 10/03/03 12:27 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

those thought loops fuck me up. i usually just sit down and wait the 3 or so hours till it goes away hehehehehe.

if you can't get out of it just sit in a chair and wait, forget about the rest of trip, no reason to get upset.


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1974778 - 10/03/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

P. harmala has a particular calming and sedative effect when taken in combination with psilocybe mushrooms; it is not like ketamine where you are physically immobile, rather you are just more relaxed and chose not to move. Note the difference. The addition of the MAOi to a mushroom experience will, of course, make the trip more visual and provide a certain ancient dimension. In my personal experience, Rue and mushroom trips make sense, while mushrooms alone seem chaotic.

Add all of these features together; rue and mushrooms are best taken in a comfortable bed, in silent darkness, with closed-eyes - like pretending to sleep in order to wake.


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: truekimbo2]
    #1975021 - 10/03/03 05:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well, that would be the rational way of going at it. But have you ever been really rational on shrooms?


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Xochitl]
    #1975029 - 10/03/03 05:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

OK, so you convinced me! would you say 3 grams and lemon extract 0f 3gr harmala is enough?
I dont really trip that hard, so would it be risky in any way of taking 4 gram and an MAOI?
Id also like to go easy on the Harmala, so woul 2grams be enough?


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Xochitl]
    #1975393 - 10/03/03 09:27 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Although I would say that I've had trouble with balance, at least initially. This makes walking somewhat uncomfortable, and lying down seems to be the best option. Also, the CEVs are very shamanic, so I'd pay more attention to these than to the OEVs.


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1976020 - 10/03/03 01:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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would you say 3 grams and lemon extract 0f 3gr harmala is enough?
I dont really trip that hard, so would it be risky in any way of taking 4 gram and an MAOI? Id also like to go easy on the Harmala, so woul 2grams be enough?




I really have no idea what specific dosage would be best for you. Three grams of Rue is usually the average amount, so I would not go below that. But as far as the mushrooms are concerned, I do not think there would be much of difference between 3 and 4. Plus, the addition of Rue will calm you, so the extra gram will not be too much, if you know what I mean. I would be more concerned with the MOAi dietary restrictions and set/setting than such a specific dosage; that will more than anything else determine your well-being during your trip.

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Also, the CEVs are very shamanic, so I'd pay more attention to these than to the OEV.




Exactly :thumbup: 


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Pala]
    #1976160 - 10/03/03 02:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Be careful, and don't do this combo if you are prone to bad trips, cause you'll be tripping for a lot longer, and peaking for a lot longer as well. Its definitely worth it if your looking for insight and spiritual growth and that kind of stuff, but it usually leaves me with my mouth hanging open the next day, still kind of shocked at all that I experienced. BTW I usually take 5-7g + 3g rue, which is a lot for some people.


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: CockyMandrill]
    #1977565 - 10/03/03 11:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Gah. I can't conceive of how people do 6g ff shrooms in any case. 3.5g of hg shrooms put me into a place where time dissolved and I couldn't remember the state of not-tripping. %)



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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Xochitl]
    #1980822 - 10/05/03 08:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well I did the 6 grams without an MAOI.
Now , I dont know why, but I cant trip anymore...
I wrote a thread in the General Questions forum about it. I had problems with tripping of LSD, n,n-DMT , 2-CD and Psilocybin.
I thought the 6 grams would kick me off my feet, but instead I was really sober , just like of maybe 2 grams.
I had no OEVs in the Light (No Morphing,Long Arms and Legs etc) except for the colours being a bit brighter. In the Dark it was really colourful at first. Geometric patterns , in multiple colours where swirling around me.
My head was clear all the time (relatively for 6 grams), and the OEVs in the dark went after half an hour. That was the trip.
Is it possible, that you can modify you're trip mentally, by expecting too much / too little, so that you block it nearly totally?
I would reckon this is highly unlikely, but what else could it be?!
(Oh and the shrooms where potent, as two friends took 3 grams each and tripped nicely)


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1980834 - 10/05/03 09:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

My advice - take a while off from tripping (maybe 6 months to a year at least), do some meditation (quiet the mind), then try a trip with a pretty decent dose, making sure to have unfamiliar, perhaps ethnic music, etc.


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Re: 6 gr of Shrooms vs. 3gr + MAOI [Re: Pala]
    #1981831 - 10/05/03 06:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, i wanna restrain from trippin for at least 3 months from now.
Hope that does the trick. :frown:


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