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Bama gonna Crimea river * 1
    #19707131 - 03/17/14 02:26 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

So now Obama states that he is going to "punish Russia" that in itself make me laugh, apparently it does Putin also. Putin as well as the rest of the world realizes just how much of a pathetic, embarrassing, inept,loudmouthed jackass, this president is. He is intent on doing nothing more than spewing empty threats.

Why is it that the Obama admin. now feels it is acceptable to recognize and offer American support to a violent group, that by force took over a democratically elected president of a sovereign nation?

Funny as hell that when the Muslim Brotherhood was overthrown in Egypt Obama was screaming like a bitch about how this was a blow to Mideast democracy, how this was oppressing the peoples will, etc.  Overthrowing violent, murderous muslim extremist leaders=Bad
Overthrowing democratically elected non violent president=good

And now, apparently the elected jackasses here state they will not recognize a democratic referendum, which represents the will of the people. I guess since Obama believes HE can defy the will of those that elected him EVERY OTHER leader should do the same. This is my favorite sentence:

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Obama was defiant about the Crimean vote, saying the vote would "would never be recognized" by the United States and its allies as a legitimate way of determining the political status of the Ukrainian region.




So now we will recognize a violent coup as a legitimate way of determining political status, but democratic elections are now "illegitimate". See, not only does Obama feel he knows what is best for us, but also for the rest of the voting citizens of the world. Overlook the fact that the people there are dancing in the streets with joy, happy to be reuinted with the 'motherland", and voted accordingly. Obama simply wont have that, screw the people.

According to Obama, votes that take place with a foreign military present don't count, unless of course it is the US and NATO forces in front of voting stations in Iraq and Afghanistan, but of course hypocritical Negros would like you to overlook that fact. With us it was bringing democracy, with the Russians, it is coercion. 

Cant wait to see how this pans out. I'm sure Putin will once again make Obama out to be the bitch that he is. What a embarrassment our president is.



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Obama to Putin: U.S. Will Punish Russia for Ukraine President Obama warned Vladimir Putin of "additional costs" for Russia after a weekend referendum to separate Crimea from the Ukraine went forward.

In a phone call between the leaders on Sunday, Obama told the Russian president that the U.S. and its allies were "prepared to impose additional costs on Russia for its actions."

And the U.S. signaled it could act as soon as Monday to impose sanctions against Russia for its incursion into Crimea, and for conducting the referendum while occupying troops were in place. The referendum to break Crimea away from Ukraine and make it a part of Russia reportedly passed overwhelmingly although the U.S. and other Western nations have rejected the legitimacy of the vote.


"President Obama reiterated that a diplomatic resolution cannot be achieved while Russian military forces continue their incursions into Ukrainian territory and that the large-scale Russian military exercises on Ukraine’s borders only exacerbate the tension," the White House further said of Obama's conversation with Putin.

Obama was defiant about the Crimean vote, saying the vote would "would never be recognized" by the United States and its allies as a legitimate way of determining the political status of the Ukrainian region.

White House press secretary Jay Carney called the referendum, against which Obama had previously warned, "dangerous and destabilizing" for the Ukraine and much of region. Another top aide to Obama further said observers could "expect sanctions designations in the coming days" during an appearance earlier on Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Obama has phoned his Russian counterpart several times throughout the crisis in Ukraine, none of the calls prompting either leader to yield much to the other's position.




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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Therian]
    #19707419 - 03/17/14 06:00 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with you; supporting unelected leaders is business as usual for the United States, as long as they are friendly to US interests.  I don't see any Republicans speaking out against this; in fact, they are only pushing Obama to get tougher against the will of the Crimean people.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Therian]
    #19707926 - 03/17/14 10:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Here's some more good reading on the subject:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37969.htm

Before anyone complains of liberal bias, here is an excerpt:
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Obama worshippers–yes there are still people that stupid–object when I call Obama the White House Fool. Yet, here is Obama or his lawyers proving that he is a fool...




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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Therian]
    #19707966 - 03/17/14 10:44 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

A huge number of eligible voters didn't vote in the Crimea referendum because they didn't want to give it any undeserved legitimacy.  It was an unconstitutional referendum brought about by the increased presence of a hostile foreign military.

Falcon, where it the evidence to back up the writer's claim that the U.S. was responsible for the coup that ousted Yanukovych?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19707989 - 03/17/14 10:51 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I agree with you; supporting unelected leaders is business as usual for the United States, as long as they are friendly to US interests.  I don't see any Republicans speaking out against this; in fact, they are only pushing Obama to get tougher against the will of the Crimean people.




Isn't it amazing how quickly Obama goes from over-reaching tyrant to impotent leader on the world stage?

If Crimea wants to secede, then it should  be done. You can't argue for a democratic Ukraine then against a democratic Crimea, regardless of the geopolitical pawns both may be.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19708245 - 03/17/14 12:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Obama has always been impotent on the international stage and always been a tyrant domestically.  Do you not understand the difference?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19708380 - 03/17/14 12:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The administration needs to keep its fucking nose out of Ukraines/Crimea's business. Crimea voted and wants to leave, let them fucking leave. 70-80 percent of the population are ethnic Russians anyway, this actually makes more sense.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19708995 - 03/17/14 03:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Obama has always been impotent on the international stage and always been a tyrant domestically.  Do you not understand the difference?




How has he always been impotent? Which wars should he have started that he didn't?

And just so were clear, is foreign policy on Obama or Congress this time around?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: psyconaught] * 1
    #19709000 - 03/17/14 03:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The administration needs to keep its fucking nose out of Ukraines/Crimea's business. Crimea voted and wants to leave, let them fucking leave. 70-80 percent of the population are ethnic Russians anyway, this actually makes more sense.




No way, if Obama doesn't invade Crimea and force the people to join the EU against their will he will look weak.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19709095 - 03/17/14 03:40 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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zappaisgod said:
Obama has always been impotent on the international stage and always been a tyrant domestically.  Do you not understand the difference?




How has he always been impotent? Which wars should he have started that he didn't?




Why is nothing or war your only understanding of foriegn policy?
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And just so were clear, is foreign policy on Obama or Congress this time around?




Foreign policy is almost entirely the President.  Do you know anything at all about the separation of powers in this country?  Are you a Canadian?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19709100 - 03/17/14 03:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
The administration needs to keep its fucking nose out of Ukraines/Crimea's business. Crimea voted and wants to leave, let them fucking leave. 70-80 percent of the population are ethnic Russians anyway, this actually makes more sense.




No way, if Obama doesn't invade Crimea and force the people to join the EU against their will he will look weak.



He has looked weak for his entire term.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19709330 - 03/17/14 04:29 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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zappaisgod said:
Obama has always been impotent on the international stage and always been a tyrant domestically.  Do you not understand the difference?




How has he always been impotent? Which wars should he have started that he didn't?




Why is nothing or war your only understanding of foriegn policy?
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And just so were clear, is foreign policy on Obama or Congress this time around?




Foreign policy is almost entirely the President.  Do you know anything at all about the separation of powers in this country?  Are you a Canadian?




Never said it was war or nothing. There's sanctions too, but that's apparently impotency as well.

As far as separation of powers, that doesn't even apply. Only Congress can declare war. With you it's the separation of responsibility.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19709462 - 03/17/14 04:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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zappaisgod said:
Obama has always been impotent on the international stage and always been a tyrant domestically.  Do you not understand the difference?




How has he always been impotent? Which wars should he have started that he didn't?




Why is nothing or war your only understanding of foriegn policy?
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And just so were clear, is foreign policy on Obama or Congress this time around?




Foreign policy is almost entirely the President.  Do you know anything at all about the separation of powers in this country?  Are you a Canadian?




Never said it was war or nothing. There's sanctions too, but that's apparently impotency as well.




Yeah, Obama annoujnced sanctions against 8 Putin cronies.  Woo hoo!
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As far as separation of powers, that doesn't even apply. Only Congress can declare war. With you it's the separation of responsibility.




Of course it applies.  Once again you are arguing from a position that war is the only foreign policy, which is stunningly ignorant.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19709475 - 03/17/14 05:02 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Care to elaborate on my position? You know what my opinion is better than I, apparently.

What, in your opinion, should Obama do about Ukraine (besides the exact antithesis of his strategy to date?)


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19709497 - 03/17/14 05:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Care to elaborate on my position? You know what my opinion is better than I, apparently.

What, in your opinion, should Obama do about Ukraine (besides the exact antithesis of his strategy to date?)



Massive global sanctions.  Immediately install the missile shields in Eastern Europe.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19709668 - 03/17/14 05:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Care to elaborate on my position? You know what my opinion is better than I, apparently.

What, in your opinion, should Obama do about Ukraine (besides the exact antithesis of his strategy to date?)



Massive global sanctions.  Immediately install the missile shields in Eastern Europe.





To every complex problem there is a simple solution THAT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK AND MAKES THE PERSON WHO CAME UP WITH IT LOOK LIKE A FOOL.

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Massive global sanctions




Good one: The US and Europe impose sanctions and Russia cuts off Europe's fuel.

Missile Shields are a joke

I KNOW let admit Ukraine into NATO. Theres another great one, then when Russia flexes its muscle we have to go to war with them.

Keep trying Zap


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19710268 - 03/17/14 07:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I think what ultimately will done will be in the best interest of the short term markets. I will be very surprised if Obama applies any pressure worth a damn; under the veneer of a healthy economic recovery we, along the the rest of the global markets, are incredibly unstable.



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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Lion]
    #19710786 - 03/17/14 09:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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A huge number of eligible voters didn't vote in the Crimea referendum because they didn't want to give it any undeserved legitimacy.  It was an unconstitutional referendum brought about by the increased presence of a hostile foreign military.



Instead of using peace and democracy (and the constitution) to elect someone into office, there was a violent coup d'état for which the US immediately showed its unrelenting support.  The new leadership quickly disbanded the constitutional court and the people of Crimea asked Russia for protection.  Then they overwhelmingly (97%) voted to join Russia.  And you try to claim that this referendum was unconstitutional???

Gotta love people that listen to Fox News!

Edit:  By the way, voter turnout was 83.1%.  To say "A huge number of eligible voters didn't vote" means you're watching Fox News.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19710817 - 03/17/14 09:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Gotta love people that listen to Fox News!



and the fucking administration :facepalm:


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19710879 - 03/17/14 10:08 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not going to argue the constitutionality of this recent referendum or Yanukovych's ouster, but in what way was the referendum democratic?

Two options-(1) Break away from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation (annexation)
(2) Restore the original 1992 constitution that would grant independence from Ukraine.

There was no option to vote "against all" and therefore maintain the status quo.
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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: psyconaught]
    #19711163 - 03/17/14 11:31 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Gotta love people that listen to Fox News!



and the fucking administration :facepalm:



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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: TheMaster]
    #19711214 - 03/17/14 11:44 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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There was no option to vote "against all" and therefore maintain the status quo.
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It's pretty well known that Crimea is a VERY Russian republic.  The status quo question would have definitely come in dead last.  You can argue it should have been included for shits and giggles, but I think the point of the referendum was to show that there is not a Russian 'take over'; the Crimean people want to join Russia.

Edit:  Even if those other 17% of the voters who didn't vote would have all voted 'status quo', and the 3% that voted independent changed their vote to 'status quo', that's only 20% in favor of status quo.  And that's a best case scenario.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19711285 - 03/18/14 12:03 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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There was no option to vote "against all" and therefore maintain the status quo.
:shrug:



It's pretty well known that Crimea is a VERY Russian republic.  The status quo question would have definitely come in dead last.  You can argue it should have been included for shits and giggles, but I think the point of the referendum was to show that there is not a Russian 'take over'; the Crimean people want to join Russia.



you and i don't agree on a lot but this we agree 100% on :billymaythumbup:


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: psyconaught]
    #19711800 - 03/18/14 05:18 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The reality of the situation is not lost on me. I realize that even if those in Crimea were given a third option the outcome would most likely have been the same. I'm not arguing if this is right or wrong, or what is best for the region.

My point is that a true direct democratic election would at least have a third option or opportunity to vote against the two that were proposed.

The choices given are indicative of ethnic (racist) "democracy" proctored by an authoritarian regime with a dash of pluralism.

Call it what you will, but when people call this democracy... I call bullshit.
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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: TheMaster]
    #19712234 - 03/18/14 08:58 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Welp, Crimea is part of Russia now.

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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: TheMaster]
    #19712238 - 03/18/14 08:59 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Call it what you will, but when people call this democracy... I call bullshit.



It's a hell of a lot closer to democracy that what the West is now offering, wouldn't you say?

Ignoring the current constitution, supporting a violent coup, ignoring the will of the Crimean people...  The US could care less about democracy.  It wants a strategic military base on Russia's border.  I wonder how the US would feel about Russia doing something similar near our borders?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19712302 - 03/18/14 09:23 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Call it what you will, but when people call this democracy... I call bullshit.



It's a hell of a lot closer to democracy that what the West is now offering, wouldn't you say?

Ignoring the current constitution, supporting a violent coup, ignoring the will of the Crimean people...  The US could care less about democracy.  It wants a strategic military base on Russia's border.  I wonder how the US would feel about Russia doing something similar near our borders?




Well they tried decades ago with Cuba and we still don't even talk to them.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19712340 - 03/18/14 09:35 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Lion said:
A huge number of eligible voters didn't vote in the Crimea referendum because they didn't want to give it any undeserved legitimacy.  It was an unconstitutional referendum brought about by the increased presence of a hostile foreign military.



Instead of using peace and democracy (and the constitution) to elect someone into office, there was a violent coup d'état for which the US immediately showed its unrelenting support.  The new leadership quickly disbanded the constitutional court and the people of Crimea asked Russia for protection.  Then they overwhelmingly (97%) voted to join Russia.  And you try to claim that this referendum was unconstitutional???

Gotta love people that listen to Fox News!

Edit:  By the way, voter turnout was 83.1%.  To say "A huge number of eligible voters didn't vote" means you're watching Fox News.


83.1% is the number given by election officials and Russian news agencies.  There have been all sorts of reports of fraud.  E.g.: http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/03/17/7019270/ ; (Says that voter turnout in Sevastopol was reported by election officials as ~90,000 more than the population of Sevastopol).  It's naive to think that this election was in any way fair, normal, or legal.

As for the coup: Last time I checked, people have the right to overthrow a tyrannical government.  Were you against the uprisings in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Syria as well?  Where is the evidence for the claim in the article you provided that the U.S. was responsible for the coup?  The Ukrainian people were responsible.  And why would Crimeans need to call on Russia for help?  They are a majority in their area, and ethnic Russians live all over Ukraine.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19712530 - 03/18/14 10:28 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Welp, Crimea is part of Russia now.

:blewmeanie:



Now things get interesting.  The only reason the US was interested in Ukraine was to kick the Russian military off the Crimean peninsula, and install a Western friendly one there.  It'll be interesting to see how things unfold.

One thing is certain - we could care less about the will of the Crimean people and democracy.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19712552 - 03/18/14 10:35 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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One thing is certain - we could care less about the will of the Crimean people and democracy.


With that I agree.  Although I don't think there really is a "Crimean" people; rather, there are ethnic Russians and other ethnic groups who live in Crimea, which is a part of the sovereign nation of Ukraine.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19712554 - 03/18/14 10:36 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Care to elaborate on my position? You know what my opinion is better than I, apparently.

What, in your opinion, should Obama do about Ukraine (besides the exact antithesis of his strategy to date?)



Massive global sanctions.  Immediately install the missile shields in Eastern Europe.





To every complex problem there is a simple solution THAT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK AND MAKES THE PERSON WHO CAME UP WITH IT LOOK LIKE A FOOL.




As far as I can tell the biggest fool so far is Obama.  Remember when he and SloJo ridiculed Romney and Palin for saying that Russia was our greatest geopolitical foe?  I do.  Good times, right komrade? You could put yourself in the running with more posts like this.
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Massive global sanctions




Good one: The US and Europe impose sanctions and Russia cuts off Europe's fuel.




That's Europe's problem. 
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Missile Shields are a joke




Then why was Putin so adamant that they not be deployed?  Maybe he knows more about it than you.
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I KNOW let admit Ukraine into NATO. Theres another great one, then when Russia flexes its muscle we have to go to war with them.

Keep trying Zap




We already have a treaty that requires the US, UK and Russia to respect Ukraine's borders.  Treaties aint shit.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19712563 - 03/18/14 10:38 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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A huge number of eligible voters didn't vote in the Crimea referendum because they didn't want to give it any undeserved legitimacy.  It was an unconstitutional referendum brought about by the increased presence of a hostile foreign military.



Instead of using peace and democracy (and the constitution) to elect someone into office, there was a violent coup d'état for which the US immediately showed its unrelenting support.  The new leadership quickly disbanded the constitutional court and the people of Crimea asked Russia for protection.  Then they overwhelmingly (97%) voted to join Russia.  And you try to claim that this referendum was unconstitutional???

Gotta love people that listen to Fox News!

Edit:  By the way, voter turnout was 83.1%.  To say "A huge number of eligible voters didn't vote" means you're watching Fox News.




Not on the ballot, "Remain in the Ukraine". 

I believe the duly elected legislature of the Ukraine told him to get the fuck out as well.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #19712579 - 03/18/14 10:41 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Call it what you will, but when people call this democracy... I call bullshit.



It's a hell of a lot closer to democracy that what the West is now offering, wouldn't you say?




What a fucking joke.  Sham elections taken within two weeks of an armed invasion?  Will you ever spit out the commie cock?
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Ignoring the current constitution, supporting a violent coup, ignoring the will of the Crimean people...  The US could care less about democracy.  It wants a strategic military base on Russia's border.  I wonder how the US would feel about Russia doing something similar near our borders?




If you care so much about the supposed but unproven will of the Crimean people to join Russia where do you stand on the the well established will of the Chenyan people to leave it?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19712582 - 03/18/14 10:43 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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If you care so much about the supposed but unproven will of the Crimean people to join Russia where do you stand on the the well established will of the Chenyan people to leave it?


:thumbup:


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19712773 - 03/18/14 11:28 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Welp, Crimea is part of Russia now.

:blewmeanie:



Now things get interesting.  The only reason the US was interested in Ukraine was to kick the Russian military off the Crimean peninsula, and install a Western friendly one there.  It'll be interesting to see how things unfold.

One thing is certain - we could care less about the will of the Crimean people and democracy.




We'll keep talking, they'll keep ignoring, and then that'll be that. We'll have our friends in the North but Russia will retain the peninsula.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19713115 - 03/18/14 12:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The ONLY way to deal with Putin is a united front WITH Europe. They have more direct dealings with Russia and can influence him more.

So we escalate things with Russia by putting in a Shield and then we find ourselves at war with Iran and neck deep in Syria. How many wars do you want to fight?

FUCK PALIN and Romney. Remember lil'bush "I looked into Putin's eyes and saw a friend."


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19713244 - 03/18/14 01:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

How about the elections in Iraq during US occupation?  Why were they considered legit but in Crimea they aren't?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19713313 - 03/18/14 01:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19713374 - 03/18/14 01:47 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The ONLY way to deal with Putin is a united front WITH Europe. They have more direct dealings with Russia and can influence him more.


  They are in thrall to him.
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So we escalate things with Russia by putting in a Shield and then we find ourselves at war with Iran and neck deep in Syria. How many wars do you want to fight?




Yes.  The Eastern bloc countries were betrayed when we didn't because of some idiotic desire not to offend Putin.  Do you know what would have prevented this land grab?  If the Ukraine still had their nukes.  Fuck it.  Just build the shields.  It is time to not give a fuck what Putin wants in any area at all.
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FUCK PALIN and Romney. Remember lil'bush "I looked into Putin's eyes and saw a friend."




Yeah, I remember that.  It was stupid.  I thought it was stupid at the time.  When I looked at Putin I saw KGB.  But Romney and Palin were fucking dead on.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Shins]
    #19713391 - 03/18/14 01:50 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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How about the elections in Iraq during US occupation?  Why were they considered legit but in Crimea they aren't?



Because they were.  We had nothing to do with them nor did we give a shit who won.  They also weren't arranged two weeks after the invasion , had a real group of candidates and weren't rigged to exclude the most obvious option of remaining in the Ukraine.

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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Lion]
    #19713403 - 03/18/14 01:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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83.1% is the number given by election officials and Russian news agencies.  There have been all sorts of reports of fraud.  E.g.: http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/03/17/7019270/ ; (Says that voter turnout in Sevastopol was reported by election officials as ~90,000 more than the population of Sevastopol).  It's naive to think that this election was in any way fair, normal, or legal.



No one disputes the fact that the vast majority of Crimeans wanted to join Russia.  Military, tourists, and journalists in Crimea could also vote with a valid passport, which helps explain the numbers.

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As for the coup: Last time I checked, people have the right to overthrow a tyrannical government.



:whatwhatwhat:
I'd love to know where you last checked.

'Tyrannical'?  How do you figure?  Perhaps corrupt, but what's new for the region?

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Where is the evidence for the claim in the article you provided that the U.S. was responsible for the coup?  The Ukrainian people were responsible.  And why would Crimeans need to call on Russia for help?  They are a majority in their area, and ethnic Russians live all over Ukraine.



Here's a good article from a former staffer in the U.S. House of Representatives.  Former Congressman Ron Paul says the same.

The new Government just outlawed the Russian language in Ukraine, and are threatening pro Russia supporters.  Just the kind of regime the US loves to support.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19713423 - 03/18/14 01:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19713452 - 03/18/14 02:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Sham elections taken within two weeks of an armed invasion?  Will you ever spit out the commie cock?



There was no 'armed invasion'.  Russia already had troops in Crimea, and by treaty were allowed to increase the numbers up to a certain point, which was never exceeded.  Do you know nothing about the history of the region?  And what do you mean 'commie cock'?  I guess you're not aware than communism ended in Russia in 1991.

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If you care so much about the supposed but unproven will of the Crimean people to join Russia where do you stand on the the well established will of the Chenyan people to leave it?



My stance is that neither are the business of the US.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19713548 - 03/18/14 02:21 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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How about the elections in Iraq during US occupation?  Why were they considered leglit but in Crimea they aren't?



Because they were.  We had nothing to do with them nor did we give a shit who won.  They also weren't arranged two weeks after the invasion , had a real group of candidates and weren't rigged to exclude the most obvious option of remaining in the Ukraine.

What is it with you and the KGB thug?




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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19713572 - 03/18/14 02:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Sham elections taken within two weeks of an armed invasion?  Will you ever spit out the commie cock?



There was no 'armed invasion'. 




Yeah there was.
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  Russia already had troops in Crimea, and by treaty were allowed to increase the numbers up to a certain point, which was never exceeded.




Lie.
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Do you know nothing about the history of the region?


I am well aware of the history of the region.  Are you?  In order for the Ukraine to give up its nukes Russia vowed to honor and protect is borders.  Too bad the Ukrainians believed them.
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  And what do you mean 'commie cock'?  I guess you're not aware than communism ended in Russia in 1991.




Putin is a commie KGB thug through and through and always has been.
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If you care so much about the supposed but unproven will of the Crimean people to join Russia where do you stand on the the well established will of the Chenyan people to leave it?



My stance is that neither are the business of the US.




Which has exactly zero to do with my exposure of your hypocrisy.  You are a phony.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Shins]
    #19713585 - 03/18/14 02:28 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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How about the elections in Iraq during US occupation?  Why were they considered leglit but in Crimea they aren't?



Because they were.  We had nothing to do with them nor did we give a shit who won.  They also weren't arranged two weeks after the invasion , had a real group of candidates and weren't rigged to exclude the most obvious option of remaining in the Ukraine.

What is it with you and the KGB thug?




why don't you take uncle sam's cock out of your mouth?  EU cocks too?




I support the right of the Ukrainian people to live free of Soviet hegemony.  Keep supporting Putin.  You beclown yourself with every post.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19713614 - 03/18/14 02:32 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Gulp gulp gulp gulp gaaaag oh shit uncle sam.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Shins]
    #19713756 - 03/18/14 02:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Uncle Sam does not have any troops there.  Neither does the EU.  Chug chug chug Putin choad.

Why are you siding with this obvious KGB thug?


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    #19713809 - 03/18/14 03:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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    #19713820 - 03/18/14 03:12 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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It is time to not give a fuck what Putin wants in any area at all.




How many wars do you want to fight?

Once this escalates what do you think No. Korea will do? They're going to take advantage of the situation also.

How many wars?

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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19713851 - 03/18/14 03:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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It is time to not give a fuck what Putin wants in any area at all.




How many wars do you want to fight?

Once this escalates what do you think No. Korea will do? They're going to take advantage of the situation also.


This is just fear-mongering based on a rudimentary vision of geopolitics.


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    #19714124 - 03/18/14 04:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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It is time to not give a fuck what Putin wants in any area at all.




How many wars do you want to fight?


This stupid shit again?.  So if we don't give Putin what he wants it is a de facto declaration of war?  How stupid is that?
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Once this escalates what do you think No. Korea will do? They're going to take advantage of the situation also.




North Korea will do whatever China tells it to do.
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How many wars?




None. 
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    #19714846 - 03/18/14 06:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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It is time to not give a fuck what Putin wants in any area at all.




How many wars do you want to fight?

Once this escalates what do you think No. Korea will do? They're going to take advantage of the situation also.


This is just fear-mongering based on a rudimentary vision of geopolitics.





FEAR Mongering?

What do you think Putin will Do? We escalate this into another Cold War because the Republican't hate O and they need him to look worst. Russia Calls in payment from Syria and Iran to do anything they want and Fuck the West and while we're trying to put out those fires do you really think No. Korea is going to sit there and watch?


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19714911 - 03/18/14 06:31 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia Calls in payment from Syria and Iran to do anything they want and Fuck the West and while we're trying to put out those fires do you really think No. Korea is going to sit there and watch?


:facepalm:  Like I said, rudimentary geopolitics.  This isn't a Hollywood movie.  The Syrian government is completely mired in its own mess and can do nothing to disrupt the U.S. or any other Western government.  Iran's government doesn't just take orders from the Kremlin on committing acts of terrorism; it has its own interests to protect, and its proxy organizations are not under Putin's command.  North Korea has nothing to do with any of this.  There is no scenario in which anyone becomes more vulnerable to North Korean aggression as a result of countries taking a hard line against Putin's militaristic opportunism.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19714990 - 03/18/14 06:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia already had troops in Crimea, and by treaty were allowed to increase the numbers up to a certain point, which was never exceeded.



Lie



Learn.  You're now 0 for 12 on the lying accusations.

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If you care so much about the supposed but unproven will of the Crimean people to join Russia where do you stand on the the well established will of the Chenyan people to leave it?



My stance is that neither are the business of the US.



Which has exactly zero to do with my exposure of your hypocrisy.  You are a phony.



No hypocrisy.  I couldn't care less about Chechnya.  Personally, I think they should take a vote and let the majority decide.

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I support the right of the Ukrainian people to live free of Soviet hegemony.  Keep supporting Putin.  You beclown yourself with every post.



Crimeans don't want to live free of Soviet hegemony, no matter how much you imagine it.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19715709 - 03/18/14 08:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not siding with putin.  The EU and other westrrn nations and groups as well as the Rioters are thr clear aggressors in this and its wrong.  I'm againt that.  Putin just happens to be on the other side this time.  I see what russis and crimea are doing more as self defense.  The EU put them in a tough spot and they are -responding- to that.  Its not right for the globalists to be going around tramping on the sovereignty and democracy of other countries to ecpand their empire.  I don't see russia adventuring all over the world overthrowing governments and installing new pro russian ones.  Its not "us vs. Them" to me its right vs wrong.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19717855 - 03/19/14 10:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia already had troops in Crimea, and by treaty were allowed to increase the numbers up to a certain point, which was never exceeded.



Lie



Learn.  You're now 0 for 12 on the lying accusations.




They went above those limits.  I am 12 for 12.
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If you care so much about the supposed but unproven will of the Crimean people to join Russia where do you stand on the the well established will of the Chenyan people to leave it?



My stance is that neither are the business of the US.



Which has exactly zero to do with my exposure of your hypocrisy.  You are a phony.



No hypocrisy.  I couldn't care less about Chechnya.  Personally, I think they should take a vote and let the majority decide.




IU believe that they elected many leadrers on the platform to do just that.  How'd that turn out?  And by vote do you mean one like the sham just held in the Crimea?  If you don't care about Chechnya why do you care about Crimea?  Or are you just a troll?
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I support the right of the Ukrainian people to live free of Soviet hegemony.  Keep supporting Putin.  You beclown yourself with every post.



Crimeans don't want to live free of Soviet hegemony, no matter how much you imagine it.




How do you know?  That sham election?


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    #19717865 - 03/19/14 10:34 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not siding with putin.  The EU and other westrrn nations and groups as well as the Rioters are thr clear aggressors in this and its wrong.  I'm againt that.  Putin just happens to be on the other side this time.  I see what russis and crimea are doing more as self defense.  The EU put them in a tough spot and they are -responding- to that.  Its not right for the globalists to be going around tramping on the sovereignty and democracy of other countries to ecpand their empire.  I don't see russia adventuring all over the world overthrowing governments and installing new pro russian ones.  Its not "us vs. Them" to me its right vs wrong.




How did the EU put them in a tough spot?  By offering them a deal that most of the country clearly preferred to Putin's?  Russia invaded a sovereign nation on false pretenses that Russian speaking residents were in danger.  The EU didn't invade anybody.  Not only did enough of the population find their leader reprehensible enough to kick him out the Ukrainian legislature agreed.  It was their business to sort it out, not Russia;'s military's.

The EU had nothing to do with this and neither did the US.  You're idea of right and wrong is fucked.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19718023 - 03/19/14 11:15 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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They went above those limits.  I am 12 for 12.



Your imagination doesn't make you right.  You're 0 for 12 because I am always able to support my position.  The CIA agrees with me:

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CIA reportedly says Russia sees treaty as justifying Ukraine moves

CIA director John Brennan told a senior lawmaker Monday that a 1997 treaty between Russia and Ukraine allows up to 25,000 Russia troops in the vital Crimea region, so Russia may not consider its recent troop movements to be an invasion, U.S. officials said.

The number of Russian troops that have surged into Ukraine in recent days remains well below that threshold, Brennan said




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If you don't care about Chechnya why do you care about Crimea?  Or are you just a troll?



I don't care about Crimea.  I care about the US wasting $billions on something we have no reason to get involved in.

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How do you know?  That sham election?



It was well known before the vote ever happened what the outcome would be.  Every paper predicted it.  That's why the US Government was quick to denounce it.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19718560 - 03/19/14 01:08 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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They went above those limits.  I am 12 for 12.



Your imagination doesn't make you right.  You're 0 for 12 because I am always able to support my position.  The CIA agrees with me:

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CIA reportedly says Russia sees treaty as justifying Ukraine moves

CIA director John Brennan told a senior lawmaker Monday that a 1997 treaty between Russia and Ukraine allows up to 25,000 Russia troops in the vital Crimea region, so Russia may not consider its recent troop movements to be an invasion, U.S. officials said.









Let me highlight something for you.  Where does that say how many Russian troops are in the Crimea?
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The number of Russian troops that have surged into Ukraine in recent days remains well below that threshold, Brennan said



  That quote is two weeks old.
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If you don't care about Chechnya why do you care about Crimea?  Or are you just a troll?



I don't care about Crimea.  I care about the US wasting $billions on something we have no reason to get involved in.




Who said anything about spending US money?  I just said Putin is a scumbag and we should actt accordingly.  Sanction the fuck out of him and stop betraying our Polish and other Eastern European friends by denying them a missile shield we had promised.
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How do you know?  That sham election?



It was well known before the vote ever happened what the outcome would be.  Every paper predicted it.  That's why the US Government was quick to denounce it.



Every paper predicted it because every paper has seen how elections go in the Soviet.  The option to remain in the Ukraine wasn't even on the ballot.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-ukraine-crisis-referendum-idUSBREA2A1GR20140311

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(Reuters) - Sunday's vote in Ukraine's Crimea is being officially billed as a chance for the peninsula's peoples to decide fairly and freely their future - but in fact there is no room on the ballot paper for voting "Nyet" to control by Russia.

The Crimean voter will have the right to choose only one of two options in the March 16 referendum which the region's pro-Russian leadership, protected by Russian forces, announced earlier this month.

According to a format of the ballot paper, published on the parliament's website, the first question will ask: "Are you in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation?"

The second asks: "Are you in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?"

At first glance, the second option seems to offer the prospects of the peninsula remaining within Ukraine.

But the 1992 national blueprint - which was adopted soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union and then quickly abolished by the young post-Soviet Ukrainian state - is far from doing that.

This foresees giving Crimea all the qualities of an independent entity within Ukraine - but with the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Russia.

With the pro-Russian assembly already saying it wants to return Crimea to Russia, this second option only offers a slightly longer route to shifting the peninsula back under Russian control, analysts say.

The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer.

Any mark in one of the boxes is regarded as a "Da" vote. Ballot papers will be regarded as spoiled if a voter fills in both boxes or indeed does not fill in either.

Those who stay away will also not influence the outcome, since the result will simply be based on the option preferred by a majority of those voting.




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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19718647 - 03/19/14 01:26 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Where does that say how many Russian troops are in the Crimea?
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The number of Russian troops that have surged into Ukraine in recent days remains well below that threshold, Brennan said






Looks like you answered your own question - well below 25,000.

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That quote is two weeks old.



You said I was lying.  I showed I wasn't.  Where's your evidence that the number is above 25,000?  :popcorn:

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stop betraying our Polish and other Eastern European friends by denying them a missile shield we had promised.



Ah, now the truth comes out as to why you are support the illegal coup.  Keep sucking that Obama cock.

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Every paper predicted it because every paper has seen how elections go in the Soviet.  The option to remain in the Ukraine wasn't even on the ballot.



Already discussed above.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19718720 - 03/19/14 01:42 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Where does that say how many Russian troops are in the Crimea?
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The number of Russian troops that have surged into Ukraine in recent days remains well below that threshold, Brennan said






Looks like you answered your own question - well below 25,000.




That is your two week old link.  They also already had troops there. 
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That quote is two weeks old.



You said I was lying.  I showed I wasn't.  Where's your evidence that the number is above 25,000?  :popcorn:




Yo didn't show anything of the kind.  Do you think 25,000 soldiers could overwhelm the Ukrainian army? 
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stop betraying our Polish and other Eastern European friends by denying them a missile shield we had promised.



Ah, now the truth comes out as to why you are support the illegal coup.  Keep sucking that Obama cock.




:facepalm:

Obama is the one who cancelled them.  because Putin was his goomba and he and Hillary wanted a reset.
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Every paper predicted it because every paper has seen how elections go in the Soviet.  The option to remain in the Ukraine wasn't even on the ballot.



Already discussed above.




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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19718977 - 03/19/14 02:40 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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That is your two week old link.  They also already had troops there. 



I showed you CIA evidence that troop numbers are under 25,000.  You claimed I was lying. Burden of Proof falls on you, my friend.  Let's see it. :popcorn:

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Sham election.  Own it.



Call it what you want.  The Crimean people overwhelmingly support joining Russia, the referendum backs this up, and you can't find evidence to show otherwise.


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    #19719337 - 03/19/14 03:44 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/17/221514/questions-surround-crimea-referendum.html

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the Ukrainian capital Monday was all about Sunday’s referendum in Crimea, which saw a close to unanimous vote in favor of the Black Sea peninsula seceding from Ukraine and becoming part of Russia.

Officially, the joining-Russia option on the ballot attracted a healthy 97 percent support from the 83 percent of registered voters in Crimea who made it to the polls. The most repeated tidbit was the voter turnout in Sevastopol, long a pro-Russian bastion, where a reported 123 percent of registered voters are said to have cast ballots.

Ukrainian news reports said that all one needed to vote was a passport, and it didn’t have to be a Ukrainian one. One reporter from Kiev showed his Russian passport and was handed a ballot and allowed to vote. This raised questions in Kiev if perhaps the Russian soldiers and Russian paramilitary occupying the area since late February had been allowed to cast votes.

It also raised eyebrows, because while an estimated 58 percent of the Crimean population is known to be ethnic Russian and very pro-Russia, the remaining 42 percent are not thought to be similarly smitten. Ukrainian opinion polls over the last decade have consistently shown Crimea to be more pro-Russian and in favor of secession than any other region of Ukraine, but previous polls had shown consistently that those favoring splitting from Ukraine and joining Russia numbered about 40 percent.

And while there were differences between pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian sides on how extensively Crimean Tatars, the region’s traditional ethnic group, boycotted the vote, it was clear that many did. The low estimate said that 60 percent of Tatars, who make up about 12 percent of the total Crimean population, refused to vote. Pro-Ukraine advocates insisted 99 percent of Tatars boycotted. In either case, the admitted absence of such a large voting bloc raised further questions about the turnout numbers.

And many were asking the questions. Monday, even ears unfamiliar with the Ukrainian language couldn’t help but overhear the phrase “referendum” being muttered by pedestrians, in eye-rolling tones of voice. And, of course, the talk wasn’t limited to the underground shopping malls or the Maidan square protest crowds of Kiev.

Vitali Klitschko, a prominent Ukrainian member of Parliament and the former world heavyweight boxing champion, charged that those who favored secession had “sold out” Ukraine. He added that history shows that Crimea under Russian control puts Crimean Tatars in grave danger.

“We are afraid of ethnic cleansing,” he said at a news conference near the Maidan, or Kiev’s Independence Square.

Crimean Tatars have repeatedly pointed out their 200 years of repression under Russian rule and call former Soviet leader Josef Stalin’s forced relocation in 1944 of Tatars to other parts of the Soviet Union a “genocide.”

Ukrainian Minister of Defense Ihor Tenyukh said at an earlier press conference that Ukraine would never accept the results of referendum.

“Crimea was, is and will always be our territory,” he said.





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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19719385 - 03/19/14 03:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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That is your two week old link.  They also already had troops there. 



I showed you CIA evidence that troop numbers are under 25,000.  You claimed I was lying. Burden of Proof falls on you, my friend.  Let's see it. :popcorn:




You didn't how any evidence of the kind.  You said that Brennan said the Russians could have up to 25,00 troops there and that Putin may think that is justification.  Do you really think that a force of 25,00 scared off an army 5 times that size? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine

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The Ukrainian armed forces were made up of 40% conscripts and 60% contract soldiers.[21] Conscription was ended in October 2013.[21] The total personnel (including 41,000 civilian workers) at the end of 2010 will be 200,000.[22] The branch structure is as follows:

    Ukrainian Ground Forces: 73,300 personnel[23]
    Ukrainian Air Force: 46,000 personnel[23]
    Ukrainian Navy: 15,000 personnel[24]






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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19719510 - 03/19/14 04:14 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/17/221514/questions-surround-crimea-referendum.html



Previous polls showed 60% of Crimea to be "very pro Russia" before a US backed coup.  How many were just "pro Russia", or "slightly pro Russia"?  And how do you think a Western backed coup of a democratically elected leader would effect people's opinions?  Hint - it's not going to make Russia friendly citizens more friendly to the West.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19719543 - 03/19/14 04:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/17/221514/questions-surround-crimea-referendum.html



Previous polls showed 60% of Crimea to be "very pro Russia" before a US backed coup.  How many were just "pro Russia", or "slightly pro Russia"?  And how do you think a Western backed coup of a democratically elected leader would effect people's opinions?  Hint - it's not going to make Russia friendly citizens more friendly to the West.




What US backing and what coup?  Not a shot was fired.  Did you know that the Ukraine Parliament was also duly elected? 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26302572

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Ukraine's parliament votes to oust President Viktor Yanukovych as opposition takes effective control of the capital, Kiev





I repeat, not a shot was fired in this so called coup and the US didn't have a fucking thing to do with it.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19719566 - 03/19/14 04:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I knew you couldn't find evidence that there were more than 25,000 troops, because it doesn't exist.

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Do you really think that a force of 25,00 scared off an army 5 times that size?



If the Ukrainians chose to fight, then those 25,000 would get the support of the Rest of Russian military, wouldn't they?  Grow a brain and find evidence there are more than 25,000 troops.

Edit:  By the way how many shots were fired to 'scare' the Ukrainian army out of Crimea?


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    #19719632 - 03/19/14 04:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I knew you couldn't find evidence that there were more than 25,000 troops, because it doesn't exist.




http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-ukraine-russia-crimea-attacks-20140319,0,800215.story#axzz2wS05uEk3

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MOSCOW -- Ukrainian forces at two naval facilities in Crimea reported Wednesday that they were attacked by gunmen linked to Russia in violation of an earlier agreement to give them until Friday to leave the breakaway region.

“So-called pro-Russian self-defense forces of Crimea aided by Russian gunmen in unmarked uniforms stormed and gained control of our navy chief’s headquarters in Sevastopol,” Alexei Mazepa, regional spokesman for the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, said in a phone interview. The headquarters building was under Russian control by midday, he said.




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Do you really think that a force of 25,00 scared off an army 5 times that size?



If the Ukrainians chose to fight, then those 25,000 would get the support of the Rest of Russian military, wouldn't they?  Grow a brain and find evidence there are more than 25,000 troops.




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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19719716 - 03/19/14 04:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You presented no evidence there are more than 25,000 troops in Crimea, after calling me a liar.  You lose yet again.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19719769 - 03/19/14 04:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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You presented no evidence there are more than 25,000 troops in Crimea, after calling me a liar.  You lose yet again.




I haven't seen you present any evidence that there wasn't.  I find your argument absurd.  Why would you take Putin's word for it?  That's all Brennan cited.


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    #19722038 - 03/20/14 01:11 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You presented no evidence there are more than 25,000 troops in Crimea, after calling me a liar.  You lose yet again.




I haven't seen you present any evidence that there wasn't.  I find your argument absurd.  Why would you take Putin's word for it?  That's all Brennan cited.



The largest claim of troop numbers I could find anywhere is 16,000; that's the claim from Ukraine to the United Nations.  Now, if you don't even trust Ukraine, then it's not worth arguing since it means you only trust your imagination, and I don't.

I'll ask one last time - show me a number greater than 25,000.  :popcorn:


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19723541 - 03/20/14 11:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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You presented no evidence there are more than 25,000 troops in Crimea, after calling me a liar.  You lose yet again.




I haven't seen you present any evidence that there wasn't.  I find your argument absurd.  Why would you take Putin's word for it?  That's all Brennan cited.



The largest claim of troop numbers I could find anywhere is 16,000; that's the claim from Ukraine to the United Nations.  Now, if you don't even trust Ukraine, then it's not worth arguing since it means you only trust your imagination, and I don't.

I'll ask one last time - show me a number greater than 25,000.  :popcorn:




Link?  What is with you and your linkage disability?

By the way, I can't find ay numbers at all.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19723643 - 03/20/14 12:16 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Link?  What is with you and your linkage disability?

By the way, I can't find ay numbers at all.



Sorry zappa, I didn't realize you were Google challenged.  Here's one.  And here's a lot more.

Since I already your next post is going to be "but those aren't current", my next reply will be "show me what's changed".


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19723819 - 03/20/14 12:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Link?  What is with you and your linkage disability?

By the way, I can't find ay numbers at all.



Sorry zappa, I didn't realize you were Google challenged.  Here's one.  And here's a lot more.

Since I already your next post is going to be "but those aren't current", my next reply will be "show me what's changed".



Right.  That's what I thought.  That was in addition to the Russian troops already there.  It also does not seem to account for all of the gunmen without uniforms attacking various Ukrainian installations.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19724684 - 03/20/14 03:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Some of those ununidormed are Ukrainian militas


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Shins]
    #19724687 - 03/20/14 03:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Some of those ununidormed are Ukrainian militas



In Crimea?  I don't think so.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19724767 - 03/20/14 04:14 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Of course they are.  Dhows how out of touch you are.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19725773 - 03/20/14 08:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Since I already know your next post is going to be "but those aren't current", my next reply will be "show me what's changed".



Right.  That's what I thought.



That nothing has changed?  Ok, agreed.

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That was in addition to the Russian troops already there.



No, that's TOTAL.  Ukraine tells UN that 16,000 Russian troops there

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It also does not seem to account for all of the gunmen without uniforms attacking various Ukrainian installations.



Crimean (Ukrainian) militia aren't part of the 25,000 troop agreement.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19725844 - 03/20/14 09:19 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

What about the 200,000 troops Putin has sent to Ukraine's eastern border?  Just a precaution for protecting ethnic Russians? :smirk:

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In parliament, the acting defense minister said that of some 41,000 infantry mobilized last week, Ukraine could field only about 6,000 combat-ready troops, compared to over 200,000 Russians deployed on the country's eastern borders. The prime minister said the air force was outnumbered 100 to one.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140311

What about the fact that Russian troops have literally barricaded Ukrainian troops in their bases, and taken over naval bases?  Was that part of the countries' agreement?

Everything Putin has done has been 100% belligerent and designed to get a reaction out of the new Ukrainian government.  He wants to grab as much as he can in an illegal and potentially violent way.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #19727500 - 03/21/14 09:31 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Since I already know your next post is going to be "but those aren't current", my next reply will be "show me what's changed".



Right.  That's what I thought.



That nothing has changed?  Ok, agreed.

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That was in addition to the Russian troops already there.



No, that's TOTAL.  Ukraine tells UN that 16,000 Russian troops there




That's the headline.  Not the text.
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It also does not seem to account for all of the gunmen without uniforms attacking various Ukrainian installations.



Crimean (Ukrainian) militia aren't part of the 25,000 troop agreement.




ORLY?  Ukrainian militia without uniforms were attacking various Ukrainian installations?  :flowstone:


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    #19732595 - 03/22/14 02:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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As far as I can tell the biggest fool so far is Obama.  Remember when he and SloJo ridiculed Romney and Palin for saying that Russia was our greatest geopolitical foe? 




Ya she's a real fucking genius, reminds me of all the asshole running around saying I saw the Wall St crash coming.

She such a fucking genius she just solved the mystery of Flight 370


The former Alaska governor stunned viewers with an unorthodox new theory that international investigators have so far ignored.

“I see all these smarty pants people on CNN saying that it was terrorism or a fire in the cockpit,” she explained to a bewildered Hannity, “but I don’t hear anyone talking about the God possibility. I mean what if they accidentally flew too high and go stuck up there?

“I’m no expert on international aviation. But I do know that God is up there looking down on us. And everyone knows that once you go to heaven you can’t come back. This would explain why we haven’t found any wreckage in the ocean and why no one saw the plane land.

"The radar had the plane at 45,000 feet, well above its usual cruising altitude. Who knows how much higher they went?

“Of course the looney liberal media can only imagine secular explanations for this mystery. They would never tell the American public that God might be involved! But I hope the the Malaysian authorities and the NTSB take a look at the facts and seriously consider the idea that this flight crossed into Christ’s kingdom and isn't coming back.”

Palin seems to be the first to suggest, however, that there may be a supernatural solution to this puzzle and the bizarre idea proved too much even for the devoutly Catholic Hannity.

“You realize that heaven isn’t an actually in the sky right?” he pleaded. “The concept of heaven is metaphorical. Some people believe it’s in another dimension or in another universe. It’s not something you can just fly into.”

“Sean, I think it’s incredibly arrogant for us as humble human beings to claim that we know how heaven works,” Palin responded. “How do you know there’s not a door to heaven in the sky between Malaysia and Vietnam?”

ANYONE who put ANY stock in what this fucking loser says is just as looney as she is. A dead clock is right twice a day.

Palin responded. “How do you know there’s not a door to heaven in the sky between Malaysia and Vietnam?” :facepalm3:


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19732605 - 03/22/14 02:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Ya she's a real fucking genius, reminds me of all the asshole running around saying I saw the Wall St crash coming.



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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: psyconaught]
    #19732697 - 03/22/14 02:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Bush and Bernanke both warned against it.  Do you know who said it was no problem?  Maxine Waters and Bawney Fwank.

Palin is clearly a fuck of a lot more insightful than the Obama administration and sweeper54.


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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19733015 - 03/22/14 04:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Zap I was in the military during the Cold War. I had plans for Live Targets to be emplaced if the Soviets came across to border. We'd have spent the first 36 hours laying mines in the Fulda Gap. I have never underestimated the Soviets or the Russians.

I'm with Patton, we should have drove to Moscow in '45, end of threat.



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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19733180 - 03/22/14 04:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Putti Poot not so happy now is he?


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    #19733452 - 03/22/14 06:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bama gonna Crimea river [Re: sweeper54]
    #19742015 - 03/24/14 05:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The leaders of the G7 have cancelled all summits with Putin until troops are withdrawn. It's hard to say how much he cares about this isolating effort.

    There are also rumours that he has his eye on other territories; there is a narrow strip that goes around Maldavia (I believe). This territory is reportedly populated with ethnic/cultural Russians, and Putin may try a "liberating effort" there as well.

    I agree with those who say he will not invade a NATO country. Those Eastern European States joined NATO as soon as they possibly could and for strictly this reason.


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