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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: circastes]
    #19662609 - 03/07/14 09:23 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

The problem is that you are the uncomfortable rumor for me.

If you've seen improvements I think its great. Everyone deserves to strive for betterment and in some degree achieve it imo. And while I don't enjoy being a decaying mass of flesh that is hardly a rumor I heard about. It is what I found firsthand. Removing self-inflicted wounds has been my approach since that point. E.g, not bringing excess stress, eating well, exercising, diversifying experience, etc. Not to reverse decay but to live well while I can.

I rarely get sick at this point, even when I sleep in the same bed as someone who is. I do not take this as having reversed sickness, but I have done my part to limit its ability to set in. That means I am healthier now than when I was younger and more stressed. So I could make that into whatever dream I want. I'm not aging, I'm getting healthier right? Nah. I am maturing. Doing less damage to myself, thank goodness.

When I was a young lad I remember being really reckless when skiing. I loved speed and I loved air. It led to a lot of injuries but all minor. One time I landed wrong and the right ski dug straight into the snow. My body kept moving. As I finally came to a stop I could not move. My right leg was what had stopped me. But in that process it had been twisted all the way around. People who saw were disgusted by the sight. Ski patrol came, in tandem lifted my body and leg straight up, and put me on a sled. Everyone thought for sure my leg was broke.

@ the ski patrol hut they found out I was almost completely unharmed. They splinted my leg, told me to keep it elevated, and sent me on my way. I recovered fully in less than a week.

But you know what? As I aged the falls left longer and longer lasting consequences. I wasn't as bendy anymore. So while I developed skills when I was younger and still enjoy catching big air and going fast, I no longer push for more. I've peaked as far as that is concerned. The consequences of bending my leg around on itself now are steep compared to when I was 7 or 8. Now the goal is to fall well, if I'm going to fall. Whereas then it was what limit can I push? That is maturity. That is what keeps me living well.

Is this just a rumor? Its my experience.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: Rahz]
    #19665810 - 03/08/14 12:07 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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and I thought I'd could end all of this. The impact of an entheogen trip could possibly "cure" her




No




:thumbup::thumbup:

Do you think you know something that none of the mental health professionals do from 60 years of experimentation (including us vintage Shroomerite mental health professions)? Psychedelics do not "cure" schizophrenia. In a schizophrenic individual the likelihood is that psychedelics will trigger an acute psychotic episode, quite likely resulting in self-injury, injury to others, arrest, incarceration in a psych ward, legal and financial consequences, or worse!. :nono:


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19665988 - 03/08/14 01:14 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I've got schizophrenia in the family, and I was psychotic for a few years. I take shrooms and I'm fine. :justdontknow:


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: circastes]
    #19666360 - 03/08/14 04:59 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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I've got schizophrenia in the family, and I was psychotic for a few years. I take shrooms and I'm fine. :justdontknow:




I'm sure that beats the hell out of years of empirical evidence. :rolleyes:


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19666399 - 03/08/14 05:21 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Do you think you know something that none of the mental health professionals do from 60 years of experimentation (including us vintage Shroomerite mental health professions)?




:whacker:


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: viktor]
    #19666573 - 03/08/14 07:11 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

There has only been ONE study on psilocybin and schizophrenia, where it exacerbated symptoms. It involved two patients. That's all the empirical evidence there is...

You might find a few shroomerites and other drug boards where people said they got worse when they took drugs. You will also find schizophrenics tripping and saying they're doing fine. Not exactly evidence in either case.

So yeah.

Psychedelics as being psychotomimetic fell out of favour in the scientific community a long time ago.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: circastes]
    #19666632 - 03/08/14 07:45 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

The blind are leading the blind on this question.

I don't doubt that the shroomz can put you at peace. What you think when they wear off, of course, is your decision.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: viktor]
    #19667425 - 03/08/14 12:13 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Do you think you know something that none of the mental health professionals do from 60 years of experimentation (including us vintage Shroomerite mental health professions)?




:whacker:




I usually recline when masturbating. Still, your response is just someone else's animation, which means you've got nothing to say.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19667429 - 03/08/14 12:14 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

or to masturbate! :lol:


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: circastes]
    #19667433 - 03/08/14 12:14 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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I've got schizophrenia in the family, and I was psychotic for a few years. I take shrooms and I'm fine. :justdontknow:




Either you're an anomaly, or you're overdue for a real surprise. I hope it's the former.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19667477 - 03/08/14 12:23 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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or to masturbate! :lol:




:lol:  I hope nobody around here thinks it would be helpful to dose an unwitting, possibly schizophrenic granny with a psychedelic. :eek: Even a stable but inexperienced person would wig out.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19667543 - 03/08/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

It would be a great dark comedy movie idea :wink:


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19667708 - 03/08/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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It would be a great dark comedy movie idea :wink:




'The Grannie: Reloaded.'


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19668529 - 03/08/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

What's there to say a schizophrenic or genetically loaded individual can't take shrooms? There are no studies.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: circastes]
    #19668833 - 03/08/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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What's there to say a schizophrenic or genetically loaded individual can't take shrooms? There are no studies.




Perhaps not, but I've known individuals, even diagnosed one myself as schizophrenic, paranoid type, and warned him not to take psychedelics. He didn't listen, had a psychotic break, fired off a shotgun in his uncle's store, and got locked up for a time. He showed up at my house some years ago (like he did as an adolescent), and had just gotten out of jail again. He was decompensated, filthy, and living with a 64 year old crack addict he said. He would've gotten to this disheveled place eventually, but the acid quickened the process it seemed.

I saw 'acid casualties' even in high school (1967-71), and have read enough case studies to be fairly confident that 'ego death' under these circumstances, do not permit blissful transpersonal realms to expand into conscious awareness as much as pre-personal unconscious contents to flood consciousness in an unrelenting torrent, causing psychic overload. I adhere to my own model for categorizing what goes on, and I feel that the model has a good degree of predictive power depending upon anecdotal reports of a pre-psychedelic subject. I mean, preponderance of paranoid ideation is not going to set the mind-set for a good trip.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19669425 - 03/08/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Well I'll take some doses in 2 months when our season starts and tell you what happens.  :cookiemonster:

My attitude is basically that of the cookie monster in life.

May even end up living in a trash can at this rate.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: circastes]
    #19669748 - 03/08/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I'll keep my fingers crossed (well, not for 2 months, but you know what I mean).


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19670676 - 03/09/14 06:21 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Honestly, we don't know squat - SQUAT - about what this is. There is no pretension in that statement, if you think it's a kind of phase or an entertaining idea but that we do actually know something, you don't understand and need to reassess.

I'll go around in my life playing computer games, visiting places, taking coffee, but all the while there is this depression that sets in if I'm denying the sheer mystery of all this. It is a consuming experience.

You can of course take this in a superficial way and sort of project some mystery into the world, but this is not what I'm talking about. This is the real deal.

So how can someone like me not have a vested interest in fungi that are said to induce a sacred experience? I don't want to know more, I HAVE to know more. It is becoming my life to explore the sheer unrevealed present, and so psilocybin has my name written all over it. ALL OVER IT.

This is no hedonistic urge, it's a spiritual quest, it's part of who I am, to see deeper into all this.

The risk is nothing compared to all this...


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: circastes]
    #19671252 - 03/09/14 11:26 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Something I realised a few years back was that I was going to have to put up with being told what my experience was about by people who had no fucking idea at all, but whom had accumulated a lot of knowledge about what it might be from the perspective of people who also had no fucking idea at all.


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Re: Is my granny a schizophrenic? [Re: viktor]
    #19671264 - 03/09/14 11:31 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

So, a late bloomer, eh?


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