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Alternative types of help?
#19618818 - 02/25/14 09:45 PM (10 years, 6 days ago) |
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Hi there,
I'm posting today because I need to know if there are any types of alternative treatment for mental health that is relatively cheep in Canada , I've tried councilors before and have been through there system for 4 years and it has not helped a tiny bit. I have also been into hospital for being suicidal 2 years ago and since I have been able to keep my thoughts to myself and stop it but there still there. I've done the drug trials with no success 
I really need help as its getting bad, I'm 19 and live on my own so its already pretty rough, and I'm dirt poor, but to top it off I'm having daily panic attacks lasting between 1min - 1 hour. I still feel suicidal I have no good friends and why I do I drive them away by accedent.
Any advice on something that could work, hypnotherapy I've heard can be helpful any thoughts?
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this target is only goingto get blasted away with alot of reinforcement.
that reinforcement being you the bullets being your material.
i suggest guided imagery meditation 2 times a day. 1 in the morning. 1 before bed. (every single day) this will help clear your thoughts tremendously. you need to believe in the process. even if your skeptical like neo before the blue pill(in the matrix) just do it.
you need an hour now for excercise everyday. again, just freaking do it man.
with those 3 things listed(hour for excercisd,2 hours for meditation) thats 3 hours of stablizing your mind and thoughts.
add in 30 minutes for reading, maybe make some tea to elevate the mood. thats 3hours and 30 minutes of stablizing your thoughts. do you see where im getting at?
the whole concept of getting out of your head is to focus on new things instead of doing nothing.
add to these things with hobbys. and priorities. and whatever you do, do the meditation(laying down or sitting) thats guided and it will help alot. then proceed to excercise for an hour. trust the process.
try to wake up around 6am-7am, enjoy the motherfreakin sunrise again for once and get to be around 11.
moving on to therapy. do you actually like your therapist? do you do any drugs? that includes smoking weed and cigarettes. are you off medication? which ones have you tried?
also have you ever done EDMR therapy? or CBT?
which therapies have you done thus far?
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Re: Alternative types of help? [Re: Endure]
#19633463 - 03/01/14 04:49 AM (10 years, 3 days ago) |
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I am an unlicensed hypnotherapist, shamanic practitioner, and authorized madman.
Healing or things like aku pressure-related massage techniques might help someone..
Meditation is a must. Along with creative expression, when you feel the urge for it.
Being social often helps you, though you need to be content with yourself before you go and face others.. lest you might attract more negativity..
I could possibly be your friend, but I cannot stand the narrow minded statements that are common these days.. like this is impossible, this is the truth or that is insane.
Good luck on your path.. I have found things like music, that you would identify with.. a track of blues with a special feeling of sorrow.. something that hits you.. it might be worth listening to..
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Re: Alternative types of help? [Re: Icyus]
#19635941 - 03/01/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 days ago) |
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Icyus said: I am an unlicensed hypnotherapist, shamanic practitioner, and authorized madman.
Healing or things like aku pressure-related massage techniques might help someone..
Meditation is a must. Along with creative expression, when you feel the urge for it.
Being social often helps you, though you need to be content with yourself before you go and face others.. lest you might attract more negativity..
I could possibly be your friend, but I cannot stand the narrow minded statements that are common these days.. like this is impossible, this is the truth or that is insane.
Good luck on your path.. I have found things like music, that you would identify with.. a track of blues with a special feeling of sorrow.. something that hits you.. it might be worth listening to..
meditation is a must for sure, you need to be on the same level with your imagination. your thoughts are your imagination, meditation thats guided beautifully and peacefully, with some nice mellow tones for the background will navigate you to a better mindstate and will reinforce good feelings and perspectives that are necessary involving other people, your life, greiving, burdens, espicially regrets that are traumatic and shameful etc... in other words, you will feel like a new person. thats the beautiful thing with meditation... it feels like your starting fresh without problems, teaches you many things that will help you forgive and let go of these emotions/thoughts, whichever the problem is, and you can be a better you and put to rest the bad things around you and things you may have done. (no one is perfect) they have specific guided imagery meditations for different things, sometimes things in conjunctions that attack a few things ive mentioned. i used a relationship and regret one.
a little insight on what i use, they go into calming you down first, releasing some tension, an then take you to a beautiful place you create, it could be something you imagine up or somewhere you've been or have seen like a beach with blue water in seclusion, n then being observant and mindful of the sounds, smell, feel, and your surroundings.. which then will lead tothe air around you glittering, you breathe this spectacular air and and release some tenseness, and then it goes onto more processes from this beatiful place youve put yourself in and gives you better perspectives through these processes with people or your surroundings, grief, regret, anxiety, depression... everything ive mentioned above.
you feel very different after
i mentioned just a very little insight on this process, the actual audio goes into MUCH more strategies and details, all you need to do is listen, and imagine. thats all, your mind is your friend. not your enemy..
impossible is narrowminded, i agree.
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I really need help as its getting bad, I'm 19 and live on my own so its already pretty rough, and I'm dirt poor, but to top it off I'm having daily panic attacks lasting between 1min - 1 hour. I still feel suicidal I have no good friends and why I do I drive them away by accedent.
Any advice on something that could work, hypnotherapy I've heard can be helpful any thoughts?
I know that you have tried to find councilors in the past, but some of them may not be so good, or you simply do not respond to their methods of treatment. A doctor teaches my Abnormal Psychology class. He tells us of all the people he worked with and how he managed to treat them against all odds. This man has traveled the world, studied in America, studied in Europe, and is an active participant in current psychology.
My point is that, if you are still interested in therapy, a psychologist or psychiatrist may be able to help based on their methods, experience, and passion. When you pick a someone to treat you do not assume that they know what they doing. You need to doctor shop and find one that seems right for you. I believe that your best bet is in fact with an official doctor who has a passion for what they do.
Another problem is insurance (I don't know how it works in Canada). Most of the time they only pay for so many sessions which makes proper treatment difficult task. Cutting treatment short is like stopping half way through brain surgery.
In my totally unprofessional opinion I would tell you not to lose hope. I learned that adolescent excitement can be attributed to the brain's slow growing prefrontal cortex (associated with reasoning) as compared to the faster growing amygdala (the seat of excitement in the brain). And even when adolescence comes to an end and the prefrontal cortex and amygdala are proportional to each other, the young adult still may have much to learn when considering reasoning, typically.
Youthful days are a bit confusing, no offense. I was a total different person 10 years ago when I was 18.
Hypnotherapy? Again, in my unprofessional opinion, and from what I learned at the university studying psychology -- hypnotherapy is debatable. It can be suggestive and it seems that a lot of the success that comes from hypnosis is due to the subject's willingness to be "hypnotized", typically.
Some popular and effective treatments these days are:
Cognitive therapy
Cognitive behavioral therapy
Also medication paired with therapy is usually better than therapy alone, and vise versa.
Take all this with a grain of salt. If I was you I would shop for a psychologist and ask for a session.
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Anonymous said: Hi there,
I'm posting today because I need to know if there are any types of alternative treatment for mental health that is relatively cheep in Canada , I've tried councilors before and have been through there system for 4 years and it has not helped a tiny bit. I have also been into hospital for being suicidal 2 years ago and since I have been able to keep my thoughts to myself and stop it but there still there. I've done the drug trials with no success 
I really need help as its getting bad, I'm 19 and live on my own so its already pretty rough, and I'm dirt poor, but to top it off I'm having daily panic attacks lasting between 1min - 1 hour. I still feel suicidal I have no good friends and why I do I drive them away by accedent.
Any advice on something that could work, hypnotherapy I've heard can be helpful any thoughts?
So you don't think that your current state has anything to do with how you have lived your life?
like you have a biological reason for not being able to enjoy life as much as anyone else?
this is why I have a problem with the current model of western medicine. Nothing is our fault. And then people like me who try to voice this extremely unpopular concept are rebuked because we are seen as being callous when we don't soothe the person and don't tell them that "it isn't your fault".
I realize that OP is asking for alternative methods of help, but the way OP is asking seems to me, like they are looking for alternative methods that suit them. No one wants to confront their life failures or fuck ups anymore. You sit around getting fat, drinking and smoking, and no one will listen to your health complaints without rolling their eyes.... but sit around, feeling sorry for yourself, playing the victim, wallowing in self-pity, doing drugs for transient moments of contentment and everyone says "poor you".
they are the same thing, only we don't identify certain maladapted behaviors or conditioning as being just as detrimental to mental health as smoking or drinking is to physical health.
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I realize that OP is asking for alternative methods of help, but the way OP is asking seems to me, like they are looking for alternative methods that suit them. No one wants to confront their life failures or fuck ups anymore.
How can you suppose that the poster knows the nature of his malady? Especially at 19?
When I was 18 I struggled with this strange fear of people and I kept it hidden from everyone. Only when I was around 27 did I discover that my father experienced the same feelings when he was young - a social phobia. It runs in our family.
We cannot ascertain why the poster is experiencing distress. His distress may be due to environmental or congenital factors. Or both.
Furthermore, I feel that attempting to define the poster - like you did - is extremely inaccurate. You are making lots inferences.
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I realize that OP is asking for alternative methods of help, but the way OP is asking seems to me, like they are looking for alternative methods that suit them. No one wants to confront their life failures or fuck ups anymore.
Of course the methods should fit the client during therapy. Therapy is one way in which professionals help clients confront their failures and problems and approach them in a logical way -- such as cognitive therapy. Essentially disproving illogical thinking.
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No one wants to confront their life failures or fuck ups anymore.
In my case - the case of a social phobia - there are two major forms or treatment. Flooding (making the client face their fears without pity) and systematic desensitization, which is the much more popular form of therapy. Both of these forms the therapy help you confront the problem.
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Edited by XUL (03/02/14 01:54 PM)
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Re: Alternative types of help? [Re: XUL]
#19640095 - 03/02/14 03:25 PM (10 years, 2 days ago) |
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I realize that OP is asking for alternative methods of help, but the way OP is asking seems to me, like they are looking for alternative methods that suit them. No one wants to confront their life failures or fuck ups anymore.
How can you suppose that the poster knows the nature of his malady? Especially at 19?
When I was 18 I struggled with this strange fear of people and I kept it hidden from everyone. Only when I was around 27 did I discover that my father experienced the same feelings when he was young - a social phobia. It runs in our family.
We cannot ascertain why the poster is experiencing distress. His distress may be due to environmental or congenital factors. Or both.
I don't see how you could untangle "evidence" of an emotional nature from such entangled parameters as hereditary phobias. Meaning, how can you discern nature vs nurture in that situation? For example, a study finds that women who smoked during pregnancy on average had children with lower IQ's. Now most people that think the way you do, would see that study and think "gee, proof that smoking during pregnancy can lower a childs IQ"... seems pretty cut and dry right? But is it possible that the kind of mother who would smoke a considerable amount during pregnancy might not be the brightest, or best mother out there? Inevitably raising this kid in a sub standard way which negatively affects their IQ?
This is the problem... Your way of thinking does not allow for my way of thinking. You have been told that there is only one God, and you are quite sure of it for no real reason at all, just that the idea has been conditioned into you since you can remember. The existence of my ideas on this subject, place your ideas (and ultimately your reality) in peril. I am willing to state that my ideas about this are merely beliefs, but you guys act like there is real science to back this up. All the while being misled by bullshit studies that have erroneous conclusions and at best show correlation and not causation.
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Furthermore, I feel that attempting to define the poster - like you did - is extremely inaccurate. You are making lots inferences.
I have lived long enough and spent enough time on this forum to see a trend emerging. Every day there are 3-4 threads about this very same thing, listing the exact same symptoms. Same shit, different pile. I have experienced anxiety, I have experienced depression and the gamut of all other emotions, in small amounts or soul eating proportions. I have seen friends and loved ones waste away while casually looking for the extrinsic cure-all when the entire time it is entirely an intrinsic problem. No, I don't know the poster. I don't need to. My views on the subject are not going to change if he cites multiple diagnosis from reputable mental health professionals and being the victim of a round robin style of sexual abuse when they were 4 years old. You cannot catch an emotional disease. And just so we don't derail into this, I believe there are severe and rare genetic brain malformations that can cause sociopathy/psychopathy and schizophrenia, but this 1 in 4 americans having a mental disorder is ridiculous.
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I realize that OP is asking for alternative methods of help, but the way OP is asking seems to me, like they are looking for alternative methods that suit them. No one wants to confront their life failures or fuck ups anymore.
Of course the methods should fit the client during therapy. Therapy is one way in which professionals help clients confront their failures and problems and approach them in a logical way -- such as cognitive therapy. Essentially disproving illogical thinking.
I have no issue with talk therapy. Maybe only in the sense that it is a slippery slope when you let a handful of doctors start codifying what sanity, normalcy and "correct" thinking is. But I actually advocate having some honest, vulnerable communication with someone. anyone.
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So I'm just going to come out and say this, this is my thread. Icyus and Endure yes it might be helpful, meditation is something I do a lot of I need it but it's hard because when I reach a deep meditation I'm bullied by my mind. Thank you for your advice I will try more guided imagery meditation usually I do yoga nidra before bed and use mala beads and meditate. EDMR I had never done I have done cbt and dbt. I like my councilor a lot he's a vegan like me and I can talk openly with him. I tell him everything and his advice is good it's just not helping enough. I smoke weed a lot right now because it's the only thing stopping me from offing myself completely, I used to smoke last year cigarettes but I quit in the summer cause it was nasty. Other then that I've tried different ssri's, citalopreme, fluoxetine, plus others and to many to count for sleep. (That's how I got my MMAR).
As to you SneezingPenis I'm not sorry for myself and I'm not sitting around getting fat it's quite opposite, I'm sitting around getting skinny, and I'm mad at myself for not being able to change it. I'm very aware of my issues I think a lot and I'm not sure if it's my fault or not. It could by it could not but I genetics mean fuck all. There's a ted talks about overriding genetics you guys should watch its short but great. I do know they can influence me but I should be able to break it without pharmicudicles. It's my brain I should be able to control all of it and I will someday. My mom didn't smoke who knows what my iq is I'm terrible at tests I get to much anxiety to do them and fuck up. In high school I would get so anxious before finals I would miss the last two weeks of school. I can't control my brain right now and I need help learning to get the bad parts so I can begin controlling it more. If anyone has any other ideas?
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Meaning, how can you discern nature vs nurture in that situation?
You can't. That was my point when I said:
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erroneous conclusions and at best show correlation and not causation.
I think that some conclusions are equivocal rather than erroneous. For example a confound is an error which makes a study erroneous, but a meta analysis of several correlational studies may only lead us to equivocal information. Yet this equivocal or suggestive information is becoming more important -- for example -- in the courts where expert witnesses attest to scientific data and explanations. These expert witnesses may seem like quacks but look at who we are comparing them to -- judges and juries who act with a large amount of discretion. The expert offers his information and a judge decides if the information is probative (tending to support proposition) or prejudicial (tending to favor preconceptions, which may mislead the jury). Everything in the end is discretion in the courts. But why do judges ever allow scientific data to be probative? Because they deem it relevant! There is "relevant" scientific data.
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Maybe only in the sense that it is a slippery slope when you let a handful of doctors start codifying what sanity, normalcy and "correct" thinking is.
Just as the jury and judges use their discretion! If the heart of humanity relies on professional discretion then why cannot a counselor psychologist rely on it too?
Whether you like it or not society does exist and it will always be here with its notions.
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Edited by XUL (03/02/14 04:25 PM)
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Re: Alternative types of help? [Re: XUL]
#19641231 - 03/02/14 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 day ago) |
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you shouldnt just do meditation. it should reallh be guided. regular meditation might not do anything for some people
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Re: Alternative types of help? [Re: Endure]
#19644464 - 03/03/14 01:35 PM (10 years, 1 day ago) |
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Thanks for the suggestion endure I'm just about to try this
I got sold at. rivendale. XUL I have analyzed what is causing distress a lot and the biggest part is my isolation. I recently just lost my best friend's because of my own actions which I couldn't control. I have no family and no other friends. I am completly alone now except the one counicilor who I like but doesn't help. The reason I lost my only friend is the other half of why I'm in distress, I cant control my subconcious which is cruel angry and viloent, going against everything I believe in. I hate it when I feel it coming out I block it and I try to neverlet it out. Unfortunately that's what happened with my friend it came out. and I kept trying to killmyself but I was able to take back control and put myself around my best friend so I didn't, but when I was around her it would go out again and I ran off sprinting trying to jump off the bridge, this cycled for 2 hours back and forth the entire time I was yelling in my head to. just stop. I want to fix this it's not my choice to be like this but my motivation gets lower as I watch myself fail and isolate more.
The reason isolation is the bigger part is Because I get motivation through friends its the only source of motivation I've ever gotten my entire life and I hate it but it's true. Also im still able to have good days when I'm not isolated now I just feel like death
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Re: Alternative types of help? [Re: XUL]
#19646390 - 03/03/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 20 hours ago) |
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Meaning, how can you discern nature vs nurture in that situation?
You can't. That was my point when I said:
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We cannot ascertain why the poster is experiencing distress.
I was actually addressing this post you made --
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When I was 18 I struggled with this strange fear of people and I kept it hidden from everyone. Only when I was around 27 did I discover that my father experienced the same feelings when he was young - a social phobia. It runs in our family.
not about the OP's reason.
you stated that it runs in the family as if it was a communicable or genetic thing. Maybe I misread it wrong, maybe you were using it colloquially to merely mean it was coincidental.
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erroneous conclusions and at best show correlation and not causation.
I think that some conclusions are equivocal rather than erroneous. For example a confound is an error which makes a study erroneous, but a meta analysis of several correlational studies may only lead us to equivocal information. Yet this equivocal or suggestive information is becoming more important -- for example -- in the courts where expert witnesses attest to scientific data and explanations. These expert witnesses may seem like quacks but look at who we are comparing them to -- judges and juries who act with a large amount of discretion. The expert offers his information and a judge decides if the information is probative (tending to support proposition) or prejudicial (tending to favor preconceptions, which may mislead the jury). Everything in the end is discretion in the courts. But why do judges ever allow scientific data to be probative? Because they deem it relevant! There is "relevant" scientific data.
correlations can be helpful, but a handful of correlations is nothing more than a handful of correlations. You can have 40 paralegals in a room and still not have anyone to represent you in court. My good friends dad was an expert witness for a multi year, extremely huge class action lawsuit and basically sold his expert opinion to the highest bidder. Trying to show cause in the legal sense has nothing to do with showing cause in scientific realm. Science either proves or doesn't and correlation is by-product used for New@10 fodder like "do onions cause cancer? the answers may shock you, that and more tonight at 10".
courts use emotion and can dismiss evidence for any number of non scientific reasons. Furthermore, the entire psychiatry cabal is deluded (and/or financially motivated) to continue evangelizing their beliefs while flashing a badge that says "science".
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Maybe only in the sense that it is a slippery slope when you let a handful of doctors start codifying what sanity, normalcy and "correct" thinking is.
Just as the jury and judges use their discretion! If the heart of humanity relies on professional discretion then why cannot a counselor psychologist rely on it too?
Whether you like it or not society does exist and it will always be here with its notions.
as I said above... jury and judges deem what is morally right and wrong, assign fault and responsibility. Science does not. simple as that. the two are not the same thing at all.
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