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How do we aquire knowledge?
    #1964491 - 09/30/03 12:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Empiricists believe that all knowledge is gained through experience, for example, we have to see green in order to know green.
However there are others that believe that knowledge can be innate, and requires no experience in order to know it. Such things as bitterness, coldness, etc. This innate knowledge is known as a priori .

My question is, do you believe in a synthetic a priori? A form of knowledge invented by mankind yet still innate from birth?



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Re: How do we aquire knowledge? [Re: manna_man]
    #1964567 - 09/30/03 01:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

it would be cool to raise a child in an environment where the color blue doesnt exist anywhere and then to try to get the child to imagine blue and explain what it looks like in relation to other colors. could the kid conceive of blue despite not having ever seen it? cuz i think if i saw red and i saw yellow, mentally i could mix them and imagine orange, even if i had never seen orange. but blue is a primary color so perhaps not.

i dont know, im just rambling.

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Re: How do we aquire knowledge? [Re: manna_man]
    #1964864 - 09/30/03 03:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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manna_man said:
A form of knowledge invented by mankind yet still innate from birth?

   



What do you think Instincts are?
I'm a firm believer in "Your Subconscious Knows ALL"
So, with that, I think we truly know far far more than we THINK we do...but sometimes we just need to be pushed in the right directions and open the doors to the knowledge in our minds...


And by the way...I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know... :wink:   


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Re: How do we aquire knowledge? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #1964920 - 09/30/03 03:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, instincts and intuitions are all innate, however not synthetic.
By synthetic I mean that in order for the predicate to agree with the subject, you have to go outside the context of the actual words and draw examples from experience. A classic example is "all bodies are heavy". In order for this sentence to make sense, you first have to draw experiences from your life that justify bodies as being heavy. Whereas saying something like "all bananas are fruit" justifies itself and requires no outside experience to verify it as being true.

Try to find an example of synthetic a priori knowledge, if such a thing exists.


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Re: How do we aquire knowledge? [Re: manna_man]
    #1965311 - 09/30/03 09:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

In order to know bitterness, coldness..must you not experience it first? Sure, someone can tell you about it, and you can get a general idea of what to expect.. but that won't show you what it is like. All knowledge is gained through experience. Anything 'innate', is merely previous knowledge, from previous experience.


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Re: How do we aquire knowledge? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1965360 - 09/30/03 10:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> All knowledge is gained through experience.

What about instinct? A baby knows to suckle on a mothers teat without teaching or prior experience.

I might agree that all conscious knowledge is gained through experience, but there is a level of knowing that is beyond experience or learning.


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Re: How do we aquire knowledge? [Re: Seuss]
    #1965399 - 09/30/03 10:28 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Instinct is woven into the very threads of our DNA, and is gained from experience. Maybe not our personal experience, but experience nonetheless.


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Re: How do we aquire knowledge? [Re: manna_man]
    #1965650 - 09/30/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Theory is your priori, created through imagination and (hopefully) some sound logical reasoning.

Experience then either proves or disproves theory.

"Knowledge" I would say is the sum of this entire process, so we gain knowledge through both thought and experience.


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