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CAP_TURTLE
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I guess the real question would be, can you use too much? Will the precipitated lime be engulfed into the fruit bodies as they grow out or will it in any way deter fruiting or put it off longer while the mycelium breaks it down?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19291377 - 12/18/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i would think the acids the mycelium secrete will neutralize the base, so it might take a little longer for it to colonise when there is a lot of base, but wouldn't really hurt. (?)
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19292044 - 12/18/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CAP_TURTLE said: I used the lime bath method for straw with great success but due to the cleanliness inside have switched to sawdust for the winter. With my buckets I had 3 of them using the bucket method for pasteurization that just did not do well and each got small spots of trich. I somewhat attributed this to maybe using too much water and having to moist a substrate but I"m wondering if it'd hurt to add just a little of the same lime used to soak straw into my water I use for my sawdust. I'd still heat pasteurize but with added lime. I've read the lime used for casing layers and the pasteurization method are two different types. While I don't expect it would hurt my real question is per 5 gallon bucket which I use approximately 7 qts of water for each one, what would be a fair amount of lime to use? I was thinking maybe 1/8 cup. Or that is maybe too much. You figure 2 cups for 50 gallons=2 cups for 800 cups of water. So for 28 cups of water it'd be .07cups? So maybe more like 1/16 cup? Which would be close to 15 ml volume of lime? If anyone can verify my math or give some input it would be appreciated.
Although it may work with sawdust, it will never work as well as it does with straw. This is due to the tremendous difference in surface area between the two subs; sawdust having exponentially more with its tiny partial size. But I do wonder about a sub of mostly small wood chips in a lime bath. Either way, it is a remarkable tool for growing. I wanna try some shiitake straw strain in soaked straw next!
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CAP_TURTLE
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I'm in the process of trying it. I didn't use the lime to pasteurize it, but rather heat. The added lime was just an added barrier or protection. So we will see how it works.
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My buckets don't look like the others but I am a noob!
Everybody else has smaller holes and a lot less.
so will I have fewer flushes?
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looks pretty good! but with more holes it would be bit more sensitive to dehydration
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#19638189 - 03/02/14 04:36 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has anyone built the cycle system suggested by aloha meds? I am incredibly interested in doing lime pasteurization but have no cost/enviro-friendly effective methods of dumping it.
I'm unsure about how to build a cycling bucket system, how long to keep the cycling going, ratio of lime water to straw, etc.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
#19638416 - 03/02/14 06:52 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lipa posted the picture below in this thread.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
#19638829 - 03/02/14 10:02 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can pretty accurately calculate how much water you will need based on the amount of dry substrate you use. Straw, sawdust and even cardboard all hydrate at about 70% water, which of course means the dry substrate is equal to 30% of the total weight.
if you choose 10 lbs of dry straw, divide 10 by .3 (10/.3) to find out how much the hydrated log will weigh = 33.3 lbs. subtract 10 from the total to find how much water you require, in this case it is 23.3 lbs or nearly 3 gallons.
there are a few ways of calculating how much lime to add but i find it simple enough to add little bits of lime until the PH is at 12. in this example i would probably add half a cup of lime.
cycle the water until it is all absorbed, or if there is a little remaining it is ok to store it until you do the next batch.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: deadmandave] 1
#19638967 - 03/02/14 10:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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i currently have a tub of P. galindoi colonising lime treated straw, and it's liking it
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#19639156 - 03/02/14 11:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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oicu, that's from the aloha meds pdf.
thanks deadmandave, super helpful.
anyone have any idea how to build a cycling tub system? not sure exactly where to even start googling ha. (as in what type of pump I'd need to shoot the water back up/how it works).
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
#19639464 - 03/02/14 01:05 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sub Tank with a drain at the bottom. Drain feeds smaller tank. Tank has fountain pump/sump pump to pump to shower arrangement in top of big tank.
Smaller tank has water top up controlled by a float valve (think toilet ball valve but smaller)
The beauty of lime is that it only dissolves until saturation so any excess can just sit in the smaller tank until needed. This will maintain your water at ph 12.3 or whatever according to temp.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: solarity]
#19639718 - 03/02/14 02:03 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
#19640235 - 03/02/14 03:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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That would likely work depending on the size of your tank, there should be a graph somewhere that tells you how much it will pump at what height
You submerge the pump in the small tank and the output hose connects to the top of it.
I would put some coarse filter across the small tank to keep any big bits of straw out of the pump
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
#19640239 - 03/02/14 03:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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lifestream said:
oicu, that's from the aloha meds pdf.
Actually that is Sam's (lipa's) picture (and creation) that John uses in his article. Sam and John are friends. John sold Sam a couple of autoclaves a few years back and Sam regularly visits Aloha and talks to John.
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lifestream said:
Would a pump like this work? http://www.lowes.com/pd_506634-60084-FP300_4294612844__?productId=50125821&Ns=p_product_price|0&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_price%7C0%26page%3D1&facetInfo=
And would you basically be somehow attaching a hose to the "eye" of the pump?
That pump should do, and if you will look at the bottom of the picture you can see how lipa attached the hose to the PVC pipe.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#19640315 - 03/02/14 04:14 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ah ic. Well my point was that pointing out a photo of something I was referencing doesn't help, but thanks.
Can't wait to try this out.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
#19640325 - 03/02/14 04:16 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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^also, if i come off as snarky, sorry. the thanks wasn't sarcasm.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
#19641167 - 03/02/14 07:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Most submersible pumps like the one you linked have 3/4 male hose threads. So yes, a hosepipe (female end) will attach directly to that pump.
Do not exceed 74" between the pump and the water outlet, this is called the head or maximum lift.
Since the unit is not UL listed (or even if it was) be safe and use a GFI protected circuit.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#19641377 - 03/02/14 08:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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forrest said: i currently have a tub of P. galindoi colonising lime treated straw, and it's liking it 
I'm so glad to here that!!
Lifestream here is a smaller indoor unit I used in my old apartment. If this suit you better. I would load the straw in 5 gal paint strainers and let it rip for 5-10hrs. It only takes as long as it takes for the straw to absorb the fluid. With bigger units it is important to size the pump so that it floods the surface pretty well so the water trickles down all areas of the straw's surface. You can add a drop of dish soap to help the fluid disperse easier if it is not reaching everything. Think Foamy!!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
#19641726 - 03/02/14 09:21 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks for the input all. might message you with a question or two when i build mine lipa. i'm surprised there's not more on the forum about your system. i'm assuming most people are just dumping haphazardly.
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