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Inocuole
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
#19636641 - 03/01/14 08:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do it.
I'm thinking about trying one out myself. Would surely be nice for putting the tub somewhere without good circulation, laundry room or what-have-you.
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MagicMike407
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Inocuole]
#19636986 - 03/01/14 09:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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See i like the idea of the pump because obviously shrooms dont provide fresh air on their own. A water resevoir though? I thought thats what the bulk sub itself basically was. Or especially a casing layer. A reserve of moisture and (in the case of bulk subs) nutrients. If hydrated right- i just think it would be a pointless experiment, albeit an interesting one.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MagicMike407]
#19637049 - 03/01/14 09:31 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have to ask yourself mike why do we dunk ???
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
#19637078 - 03/01/14 09:39 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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PNWmushroomexpert said: Have to ask yourself mike why do we dunk ???
To replenish lost moisture. I see where youre going with it.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MagicMike407]
#19637125 - 03/01/14 09:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ya you know. I wonder if anybody has ever really measued exactly how much a sub can uptake in water after the 1st flush. I know theres so many diffrent factors for uptake but be useful to know is it a gallon half gallon hmmmm?
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MagicMike407]
#19637127 - 03/01/14 09:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Replenishing lost moisture and having a resevoir constantly seep it in are two dynamically very different things. First, standing water is a terrible idea. Where would you put the rez? You could maybe use something like a sterile water drip system but, I mean, how much of a pain in the ass is it to mist it or dunk it? Dunking my tubs usually seems to upset them though, truthfully. I'm perfectly content with what I can get out of it without ever dunking.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Inocuole]
#19637181 - 03/01/14 10:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think your missing the point man
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
#19637235 - 03/01/14 10:21 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Flush 7
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19637241 - 03/01/14 10:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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YOU THE MAN
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Inocuole
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
#19637544 - 03/01/14 11:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Flush 7

That's pretty goddamn impressive.
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PNWmushroomexpert said: I think your missing the point man
You also didn't answer any of the questions I asked, and I'm totally not missing the point. hydrating the sub is great, but is a rez the right way to do it? I was asking for more information, first and foremost, and then closed by stating I'm satisfied without even dunking. What point did I miss exactly?
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Inocuole]
#19637656 - 03/02/14 12:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thres standing water in a tub that been dunked its not sterile. I really dont care about dynamics I dont want to lift my substrate out of the tub or even put it in the bathtub or werever if you have water fed to the sub without moving the tub than I would say its worth it. But like I said people will pick the idea apart because its not a properly shmoperly dialed monotub. Fuuuuuck.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
#19637742 - 03/02/14 01:01 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey don't get me wrong, I'm all for experimenting. I'm just asking you to sell me on the idea. It sounds like a potentially bad idea on the surface. I only start an argument because I want to hear the other side, you know what I mean? Like I said, I would feel safer with a drip method. I know it doesn't have to be sterile but it should at least be clean and not sitting out, right?
The last thing I want to do is stifle progress. Let's hear some ideas.
Elastical totally has me sold on the air pump, I can confirm that. People like seeing results, you know how it is.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Inocuole]
#19637899 - 03/02/14 02:05 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Elastical totally has me sold on the air pump, I can confirm that. People like seeing results, you know how it is.
Ok, I'm very flattered that you wrote that, thank you.
I need to clarify though, my mission has NEVER been to sell anyone on the idea. I've touted the tubs prospects for stealth grows. I've said that it shouldn't be dismissed. But I am not here to convince others. For the VERY REASON that I'm trying something new I MUST be indifferent to the results. That's hard for me. But I MUST accept the possibility that this entire tub is a fluke. Since it's multispore, there is the real chance that the only reason this worked at all is because I got great genetics (two times since this is the second attempt with this method.) This thread MUST be taken with a grain of salt and I would tell ANYONE who tries this method, that if their grow isn't going the way they want it to when they experiment with this, to switch to a known and proven method and declare the air pump a failure before ever risking their own grow / hard work and time for the sake of trying to prove this works for everyone. I have said a few times, there is a chance that SOMETHING about my growing environment or my genetics makes this method work here and that others may not have such luck.
I'm flattered that I have so many PM's and people telling me they are going to try this. I stand behind my results. But if I ever talk to new shroomerites or people just starting I will ALWAYS tell them to use a proven, repeatable method like frank's dialed in monotub. I posted this originally with the intention of just throwing the data on here for peoople to look at but the thread blew up a little and for a little bit of time I was really into the idea of this method.
FACT 1: This method is NOT revolutionary and I hope no one has taken it that way. This method will NEVER replace a passive FAE system. It may perform equally well. But I would never tell a first time bulk grower to try this.
FACT 2: Getting 7 flushes out of any substrate is awesome. Everyone loves that. but I truly believe that this has more to do with genetics than the fruiting chamber.
FACT 3: Just because this tub produced 7 flushes doesn't mean that flushes after the 3rd were 'worth anything.' in terms of potency. Neither me nor any of my friends have tried any of the shrooms from the fourth flush onward and there is no way to tell if they have any reasonable amount of potency until myself or someone else tries them. Until proven otherwise I'm going to assume they have no potency and keep them separate from the earlier flushes.
FACT 4: I'm really flattered by how many replies I've gotten for this thread. I'm flattered that others want to try it. If other people try this and the method fails miserably for them I WANT them to post in this thread that this method didn't work for them. I am a skeptic at heart and if I weren't ready to believe that this entire tub was a fluke then I wouldn't be worthy of studying mycology on any serious level. If you have the courage to try this then I will hope it's because you just want to experiment like I did, without expectation. Just for the sake of doing something a little different.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19637977 - 03/02/14 02:34 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well that's exactly it. You never CLAIMED anything. You just did this, and showed us what happened. I think the consensus is that we like what happened. Experimenting rocks, and skepticism is what helps us move forward.
Thanks for sharing, for sure.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Inocuole]
#19638097 - 03/02/14 03:24 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I understand completely I think it best if I just build it and post results tho. and your right skepticism does move us forward. things change alot we may look back in ten years and say why in the heck did those guys use monotubs when you can just do this or that. And it wouldnt suprise me in the least to see cubensis growing in the northern temperate zone.with all the domestication and experminting. A FLUKE genetic is bound to happen that wont be such a fluke. Either way. Awesome ET you got the blue thumb man.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
#19638720 - 03/02/14 09:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey i recently built a monstrosity of an FC for stealth grows using experimental ideas, and its turning out great! Of course one doesnt really need to improve on a dialed in mono. But what does one do when you get bored? See, im going to try this, because i have the air pump and nothing to do with it. Why not. We do this for fun remember- well, least me. In regards to that idea though, i think getting that pipeline in the center of the sub would be a bitch. Remember, myc LOVES to move around water. You wouldnt really need a pipe system thru the whole thing, but you could still add a resevoir and let the culture take the water where it needs it.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MagicMike407]
#19639280 - 03/02/14 12:29 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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People have tried the globe with water before. Its not so much that it doesn't work as its just not really needed. The whole point behind a bulk sub is how much water it brings to the table. No need to add more. Most of the time I don't even need to dunk a bulk sub until after the third flush.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19639318 - 03/02/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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But you are dunking.
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MagicMike407
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
#19639367 - 03/02/14 12:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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...after 3rd flush. I, personally, would move on to new projects at that point. Potency loss is a risk.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MagicMike407]
#19639378 - 03/02/14 12:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Iam starting to really believe thats true Magic Mike407. I guess the mad scientist in me wants to do crazy off the wall shit tho.
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