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zappaisgod
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: koraks]
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zappaisgod said: We have feckless cunts in every capital of Europe and now we have one in DC. Nothing is going to be done. Europe is too reliant on Russia for energy and we are too removed.
Who wants to die in some bloody, testosterone-fueled war that serves no purpose anyway? Plus: the US aren't just too removed in a geographical sense, they have no business in that part of the world to begin with. And nobody has an interest in starting a war over a region (i.e. the Crimea) 'occupied' by Russians that is basically Russian to begin with. The entire eastern half of Ukraine is dominated by ethnically Russian people; it makes perfect sense that they ask Russia to defend their interests against the Western, European-minded protesters in Ukraine. Seriously; split that country in half already.
It never should have been one SSR. The Russians are responsible for that situation. And I do not believe I have ever expressed an interest in sending troops there. Just in nullifying every treaty ever signed with Russia. Endo. They lie. A treaty with them means nothing.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: zappaisgod] 1
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It never should have been one SSR. The Russians are responsible for that situation. And I do not believe I have ever expressed an interest in sending troops there. Just in nullifying every treaty ever signed with Russia. Endo. They lie. A treaty with them means nothing.
While I agree, the US has a deep and consistent history of treaty breaking.
Into the 21st century.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Repertoire89]
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It never should have been one SSR. The Russians are responsible for that situation. And I do not believe I have ever expressed an interest in sending troops there. Just in nullifying every treaty ever signed with Russia. Endo. They lie. A treaty with them means nothing.
While I agree, the US has a deep and consistent history of treaty breaking.
Into the 21st century.
Are we whining about the Indians yet again?
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#19643582 - 03/03/14 09:24 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Definitely whining. It's about time that we heard about racism and slavery so as to round out the conversation.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: mpd]
#19643591 - 03/03/14 09:26 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Russia has delivered its own ultimatum now - All Ukranian forces must surrender by 3:00 a.m. local time or "face a storm".
Putin is digging in and going to swallow the whole country.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: mpd]
#19643595 - 03/03/14 09:28 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#19643608 - 03/03/14 09:32 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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It never should have been one SSR. The Russians are responsible for that situation. And I do not believe I have ever expressed an interest in sending troops there. Just in nullifying every treaty ever signed with Russia. Endo. They lie. A treaty with them means nothing.
While I agree, the US has a deep and consistent history of treaty breaking.
Into the 21st century.
Are we whining about the Indians yet again?
Just pointing out who you're always rooting for, the bad guys.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: mpd]
#19643654 - 03/03/14 09:52 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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mpd said: Russia has delivered its own ultimatum now - All Ukranian forces must surrender by 3:00 a.m. local time or "face a storm".
Putin is digging in and going to swallow the whole country.
Ukrainians have mobilized and enlisted en masse but of course they have no armaments. That means there will be resistence to the invaders but they will be killed. The surrounded Ukrainian military bases have sworn to defend their posts "to the death".
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
#19643715 - 03/03/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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This should be fun to watch.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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mpd said: Russia has delivered its own ultimatum now - All Ukranian forces must surrender by 3:00 a.m. local time or "face a storm".
Putin is digging in and going to swallow the whole country.
Ukrainians have mobilized and enlisted en masse but of course they have no armaments. That means there will be resistence to the invaders but they will be killed. The surrounded Ukrainian military bases have sworn to defend their posts "to the death".
What do you mean they have no armaments? Don't they have any military at all?
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#19643730 - 03/03/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: This should be fun to watch.
A lot more fun to watch than participate in.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#19643735 - 03/03/14 10:13 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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mpd said: Russia has delivered its own ultimatum now - All Ukranian forces must surrender by 3:00 a.m. local time or "face a storm".
Putin is digging in and going to swallow the whole country.
Ukrainians have mobilized and enlisted en masse but of course they have no armaments. That means there will be resistence to the invaders but they will be killed. The surrounded Ukrainian military bases have sworn to defend their posts "to the death".
What do you mean they have no armaments? Don't they have any military at all?
They do; I think he was referring to civilians in the anti-Russian areas who are willing to be part of any fight that may occur.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Lion]
#19644086 - 03/03/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I was talking about the obsolete military equipement. They may have the manpower but no real weapons to put up a resistence.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Patlal]
#19644092 - 03/03/14 11:59 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Patlal said: Anybody else noticed that everytime a the Russians have a leader with a short name that ends with -in, something bad happens?
Lenin and Stalin were made up names. Far as I can tell Putin is his real name.
It's an interesting point though.
Putin was elected President twice and that was the mandatory limit. Then his buddy got elected President and made Putin the Prime Minister. Then they changed some laws and Putin got back in as President.
That got me thinking. What if Obama was Hillary's running mate. Is that legal. Not going to happen but still something to consider for future dictatorship.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
#19644101 - 03/03/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: I was talking about the obsolete military equipement. They may have the manpower but no real weapons to put up a resistence.
Don't they have nukes left over from U.S.S.R.?
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Brian Jones]
#19644176 - 03/03/14 12:17 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#19644216 - 03/03/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: I was talking about the obsolete military equipement. They may have the manpower but no real weapons to put up a resistence.
Don't they have nukes left over from U.S.S.R.?
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zappaisgod said: No.
No, no nukes. The US made Russia disarm Ukraine and in exchange they let Russia keep their black sea base in Sevastopol. If the shit really hits the fan weapons will be the first thing shipped to Ukraine. From all sides. US government is really good at shipping weapons and when they want to arm a nation they do it and do it well. Crummy Aks soon replaced by heavy weapons and guided missiles.
I would be very surprised to see things degenerate that far.
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Gotlib]
#19644252 - 03/03/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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More tough talk from Obama. Weak on Georgia. Weak on Iran. Weak on Libya. Weak on Syria. Weak. Weak. Weak...
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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: mpd]
#19644261 - 03/03/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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mpd said: More tough talk from Obama. Weak on Georgia. Weak on Iran. Weak on Libya. Weak on Syria. Weak. Weak. Weak...
Yep. That is pretty much spot on.
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