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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19594683 - 02/20/14 01:05 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

What really had me was Abraham offering one of his sons to be sacrificed.
I read that and then I was like "The fuck is this shit!?!"

Oh and the whole drunken incest thing with Lot and his daughters. I find it to be rather amusing when people actually try to justify behavior like that.


For the record I don't think the bible is inherently "bad". There are some truly awesome passages if you read it without bias. But it's important to remember the context of what you're reading and who actually wrote it :strokebeard2:


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: Trippinhighman]
    #19597336 - 02/20/14 10:55 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

when you read the bible just read it with an open mind and heart. the thing that's cool about it is that the words still apply to our modern world in a very direct way. so if you read it and just take it allll in, you're actually gaining a lot of knowledge. Revelations for instance, is filled with completely esoteric imagery, as far as i am concerned, but in reading it idk it just inspires something in me and i can see the world in a new light.

if you have the patience to sit down and make it fit into a logical/spiritual framework, that's even better.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: g00ru]
    #19597375 - 02/20/14 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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im gonna say i really don't buy into the 'jesus is a mushroom' theory. manna from heaven could mean SO many different things, just like Soma in Hinduism. and even if it does mean psychedelic fungi, don't say jesus is a mushroom just say 'yeah he was on to that and mushrooms are probably blessed'. wouldn't want to make it reductionist...




The Mushroom is the "Father". Jesus was One with the Father - that's why He said that His Flesh is real food.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: endogenous]
    #19597392 - 02/20/14 11:18 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

ya like i said earlier, i don't think that's necessarily the only interpretation. he could have blessed the food to give people experiences of the logos/god.

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What of the virgin birth...  Faith?!




what of it? the Buddha was said to be immaculately conceived also...i'm definitely open to the possibility of star babies.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: g00ru]
    #19597464 - 02/20/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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i think it's equally likely that mushrooms and Jesus are two totally different routes to the universal logos.




Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."… -- Gospel of St. John, 14,6

Mushrooms are the Father.

By knowing Christ, you know the Father (God). You cannot know God without knowing Christ (Buddha, Moses, etc.).  Christ's mission was to make the identity of the only real God known. 

O righteous Father, the world has not known You: but I have known You, and these have known that You have sent me.

26 So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, so that the love with which You have loved me may be in them, and I in them.
-- Gospel of St. John, 17, 25

And God's "Mission" was to make the name of Christ known.

After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he (John) saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, (Christ) 17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
-- Gospel of St. Matthew, 3, 17


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: endogenous]
    #19612045 - 02/24/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 hours ago)

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Mushrooms are the Father.

By knowing Christ, you know the Father (God). You cannot know God without knowing Christ (Buddha, Moses, etc.).  Christ's mission was to make the identity of the only real God known. 





The message is that you need to discover yourelf and your own purirty (The Christ self) before you can understand the sum of all purity (God).

Everyone
is Christ and the totality of everyone (in pure form) is "God" / "The Father".

The mushroom is but a catalyst to discoverng the Christ self.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19612512 - 02/24/14 02:15 PM (10 years, 2 hours ago)

The fucked up part is when you get ensnared in a language of branches...  Bread, fruit, snake, towers with breasts, etc.  Then nobody knows what you are on about because we live in a so called and decided upon normal world.  Which, mind you, is somewhat christian so they should know these people when they pop up and spew forth a scroll or vomit out snakes in a cup.  We get labeled and forcibly medicated which my friend when waking up 'in Christ' is in fact THE ANTI CHRIST.  ...Because they are the ones stopping it from happening acting like it doesn't make sense when its the only authentic religious experience that is happening.  Fucking Charlatans and pure darkness policing itself in ignorance of the Truth.  ...Or an outright conspiracy.  Hoodwinked.  Chemically.  Born again of Haldol.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19615730 - 02/25/14 09:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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nobody knows what you are on about





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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19619209 - 02/26/14 12:28 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Mushrooms are the Father.

By knowing Christ, you know the Father (God). You cannot know God without knowing Christ (Buddha, Moses, etc.).  Christ's mission was to make the identity of the only real God known. 





Everyone
is Christ and the totality of everyone (in pure form) is "God" / "The Father".






Were you thinking that Christ thought this?

"I am the true vine,
and my Father is the vine-dresser.
Every branch in me that bears no fruit
is cut away"
-- Gospel of St. John, 15, 1


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: endogenous]
    #19619654 - 02/26/14 06:07 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Seemingly Jesus thought that.

Everyone is the "The true vine" (behind the veil of untruths). He stating himself as one example of it rather than an exclusive.

Through the Christ consciousness every falsehood (fruitless branch) is given no value and taken into no regard.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19621231 - 02/26/14 01:54 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Seemingly Jesus thought that.

Everyone is the "The true vine" (behind the veil of untruths). He stating himself as one example of it rather than an exclusive.

Through the Christ consciousness every falsehood (fruitless branch) is given no value and taken into no regard.




If you look a little further in the passage, Christ says: "I am the vine, you are the branches. Those who remain in me, as I in them, bear rich fruit, (because apart from me you can do nothing.) If anyone does not remain in me, they are thrown aside like a branch and wither up; then the branches are gathered and thrown into the fire."

When He says "you are the branches" He is making it clear that without Him, others are not the Vine. He is saying that others,- (disciples) are the branches and are not the Vine. It is also clear that He is not saying that every person is the vine. If a person (branch) does not remain in Him, they are not only no longer a part (branch) of the vine, they are also thrown into the fire.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: endogenous]
    #19621706 - 02/26/14 03:36 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

He speaks of "himself" not as flesh and blood, but the purest form of the holy spirit.

The holy spirit / Christ Consciousness is depicted as the "vine".

The "branch" is what people are external to their core being - the vine.  Everyone is a branch and everyone has the vine within them.

"If anyone does not remain in me, they are thrown aside...." is a simple depiction of self condemnation arising from not following the path (the vine) which is truth within.

"Every branch in me that bears no fruit is cut away" is an explanation of the impossibility of those with unpure will discovering the "vine" - The holy spirit.  The one and only connection to divine.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19621820 - 02/26/14 03:55 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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He speaks of "himself" not as flesh and blood, but the purest form of the holy spirit.

The holy spirit / Christ Consciousness is depicted as the "vine".

Everyoneis a branch to the "vine".

"If anyone does not remain in me, they are thrown aside...." is a simple depiction of self condemnation arising from not following the path (the vine) which is truth.




This is getting back to what I originally said:

Christ said "Righteous Father -- though the world has not known You, I have known You and these have believed that You have sent me. So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, that the love with which You have loved me may be in them and I in them."

The "Truth" is in knowing that Name of the "Father" which the world has not and does not know. It should be clear that the world cannot be in Christ (or He in them), if they don't know, or believe, in that Name and that they are not a branch of the Vine.

And that Truth, which the world didn't know, is that the Father is Entheogens -- not a piece of wheat wafer that is supposed to "magically" transform and cause someone to see the Light and the Holy Spirit (which never happens).

Christ wasn't playing word games when He said that the world didn't know the Name of the Father. It doesn't matter whether you call Them "Psychedelics" or Entheogens, Brahman, or Allah. It isn't the word that is important, but that you know what that word is referring to.

That is what knowing the Name of the "Father" means.


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: endogenous]
    #19621857 - 02/26/14 04:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Somebody give me an Amen!? :whowouldsaysuchathing:


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Re: High thoughts, Devil/bad and God/good? [Re: endogenous]
    #19621998 - 02/26/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Christ said "Righteous Father -- though the world has not known You,




Revised:

John 17:25-26
New International Version

“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you"


The world has forgotten "The Father". The "all" source.


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