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OfflineMushroomTrip
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Virginity * 1
    #19616874 - 02/25/14 02:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Were you proud of yours when you had it?


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19616885 - 02/25/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

by the time I was old enough to know what virginity was I wanted to get rid of it :grin:


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Re: Virginity [Re: NWlight]
    #19617015 - 02/25/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

no. it played a worsening of my attitude. i lied about it for a long time.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19617485 - 02/25/14 04:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I still have mine :facepalm:

I don't know if I'm proud of it or just fucked in that center of my existence.
I have zero libido, haven't masterbated in months..Maybe 8 if I had to guess.

I was intimidated by girls that I was attracted to in my school days.
I then matured into realizing they're just as mentally off as I am...But during this maturation process my drive to wanna get laid deteriorated.

I wondered at one point, "maybe I'm gay and I never realized it?"....but that's not the case :lol:


I don't know how I feel about this nowadays...:confused:


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19617517 - 02/25/14 05:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:
I still have mine :facepalm:

I don't know if I'm proud of it or just fucked in that center of my existence.
I have zero libido, haven't masterbated in months..Maybe 8 if I had to guess.

I was intimidated by girls that I was attracted to in my school days.
I then matured into realizing they're just as mentally off as I am...But during this maturation process my drive to wanna get laid deteriorated.

I wondered at one point, "maybe I'm gay and I never realized it?"....but that's not the case :lol:


I don't know how I feel about this nowadays...:confused:




Dude how can you go like 8 months without at least popping off a blank or two?


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Re: Virginity [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19617532 - 02/25/14 05:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know man!
I have not released semen from my body in a long fucking time.
I'm not proud of it but not ashamed either..I guess im apathetic to it and don't notice it's been this long.

I feel healthy in every other aspect of life, but this one is a mystery.


Edited by cez (02/25/14 05:18 PM)


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19617600 - 02/25/14 05:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?



Nope I took the first opportunity that was presented to me to get rid of it.


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19617663 - 02/25/14 05:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:
I don't know man!
I have not released semen from my body in a long fucking time.
I'm not proud of it but not ashamed either..I guess im apathetic to it and don't notice it's been this long.

I feel healthy in every other aspect of life, but this one is a mystery.



you are "asexual"

one of my friends is like this...


no big deal buddy


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19617664 - 02/25/14 05:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:
I don't know man!
I have not released semen from my body in a long fucking time.
I'm not proud of it but not ashamed either..I guess im apathetic to it and don't notice it's been this long.

I feel healthy in every other aspect of life, but this one is a mystery.




Well I think it atrophies after about 2 months so you may not have noticed after that...


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19617944 - 02/25/14 06:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Like a dog is proud of eatin' shit. :poop:


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Re: Virginity [Re: Tropism] * 1
    #19618161 - 02/25/14 07:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

At this moment, I am neither proud nor ashamed, although there were periods where I was one or the other.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip] * 1
    #19618484 - 02/25/14 08:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Never gave it much thought. I enjoyed making out and grabbing butts enough. When my first time came I was reluctant. Not because I wasn't horny as hell but because I didn't see a future with the girl. There is an intimacy component that helps for me. I think my temperament would be classified as slow to warm. So sex isn't really warm for me without fairly deep intimacy. And that sort of intimacy isn't achieved except over time.

So what I always looked for was that intimacy. But I didn't make it. I fell into the sexy body of a great kisser. It was OK. I think I'd have been proud to keep my virginity through it.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19618894 - 02/25/14 10:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Not proud and not really ashamed in my self-image, though it wasn't something I advertised and I would likely have blushed if someone pointed to me and yelled "VIRGIN!" among my university peers.

I suppose I was lucky to eventually lose it to a girl I loved and who loved me and made me feel good about her being my first.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip] * 4
    #19618934 - 02/25/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i was deeply ashamed and convinced there was something wrong with me for various reasons..

i 'lost it' on a trip to thailand with my parents. i was being a stoopid teen and was left behind sulking while they went to dinner.. naturally i reasoned i should acquire a litre of spirits and go to the beach. i almost crashed into some thai people sitting quietly on a picnic blanket, who i then proceeded to share my drinks with and ended going back with one to her hut. on the way i terrified some dogs in an act of bravado.. dont remember much else other than her having a wart on her butt and my penis not working properly.. i ended up giving her a sloppy drunk apologetic massage instead..

coming to think of it now actually, that wasnt the time i lost my virginity at all, i wasnt even close


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip] * 1
    #19619122 - 02/25/14 11:43 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Nope... what is there to be proud of? I guess some people equate it to being "clean" or something.

I was more eager to get laid when I was 15 then worry about something trivial like being proud of my virginity :lol:


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip] * 2
    #19619159 - 02/26/14 12:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Fuckin OP making me think about shit.


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez] * 1
    #19619674 - 02/26/14 06:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:
I still have mine :facepalm:

I don't know if I'm proud of it or just fucked in that center of my existence.
I have zero libido, haven't masterbated in months..Maybe 8 if I had to guess.

I was intimidated by girls that I was attracted to in my school days.
I then matured into realizing they're just as mentally off as I am...But during this maturation process my drive to wanna get laid deteriorated.

I wondered at one point, "maybe I'm gay and I never realized it?"....but that's not the case :lol:


I don't know how I feel about this nowadays...:confused:




Interesting... did you check your hormone levels? Do you have diabetes? Or do you think it's psychological?
Do you get turned on if you see hot woman, or of you watch porn?


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Re: Virginity [Re: Tropism]
    #19619677 - 02/26/14 06:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Tropism said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Like a dog is proud of eatin' shit. :poop:




Some might just be :shrug:


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Re: Virginity [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #19619678 - 02/26/14 06:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Cojo said:
At this moment, I am neither proud nor ashamed, although there were periods where I was one or the other.




Why and why?


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Re: Virginity [Re: Kickle]
    #19619701 - 02/26/14 06:44 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Never gave it much thought. I enjoyed making out and grabbing butts enough. When my first time came I was reluctant. Not because I wasn't horny as hell but because I didn't see a future with the girl. There is an intimacy component that helps for me. I think my temperament would be classified as slow to warm. So sex isn't really warm for me without fairly deep intimacy. And that sort of intimacy isn't achieved except over time.

So what I always looked for was that intimacy. But I didn't make it. I fell into the sexy body of a great kisser. It was OK. I think I'd have been proud to keep my virginity through it.




Ha ha, first times are almost always awkward.

I picked my first guy to have sex with counting on the fact he was kind of an asshole and couldn't start liking him too much. I think I've been horny since I was like 5 or 6 and it was hell to hold until then. :lol:


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All this time I've loved you
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All this time I've missed you
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Re: Virginity [Re: quinn]
    #19619706 - 02/26/14 06:46 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

quinn said:
i was deeply ashamed and convinced there was something wrong with me for various reasons..

i 'lost it' on a trip to thailand with my parents. i was being a stoopid teen and was left behind sulking while they went to dinner.. naturally i reasoned i should acquire a litre of spirits and go to the beach. i almost crashed into some thai people sitting quietly on a picnic blanket, who i then proceeded to share my drinks with and ended going back with one to her hut. on the way i terrified some dogs in an act of bravado.. dont remember much else other than her having a wart on her butt and my penis not working properly.. i ended up giving her a sloppy drunk apologetic massage instead..

coming to think of it now actually, that wasnt the time i lost my virginity at all, i wasnt even close




:ilold:


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All this time I've loved you
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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19620931 - 02/26/14 12:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?




No.  I felt pressured when everyone else was having sex and I wasn't.  At around 15 I was on a trip to the British Isles and I met a girl...  I was inexperienced and we got drunk together in London and she wanted sex but I didn't know what I was doing and couldn't keep it up/was nervous.  In and out was all.  Shitty experience.  She ended up going down on me and that was cool.  Guess I should have warned her when I was gonna cum down the back of her throat.  She jumped up and ran to the sink half gagging.  So since my penis penetrated this woman, who had the most enjoyable southern drawl, I say I lost my virginity then.  Yay!

But.  I was at a wakeboarding shop here in my hometown and caught this cute girls eyes.  She was friends with one of my friends that worked there.  She asked about me and we started partying together.  We were GF and BF during junior and senior year and sex came so organically after a year of being together.  She use to cry during sex and get so passionate.  We'd roll almost every other weekend and just lose ourselves in each other.  That's when I became sexually active.  We met up in college a couple times but grew apart.

Although dangerous, I think its important to know certain people on this sexual lustful level.


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Re: Virginity [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19621043 - 02/26/14 01:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

FishOilTheKid said:
Although dangerous, I think its important to know certain people on this sexual lustful level.




Why do you think it's dangerous?


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19621123 - 02/26/14 01:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I was with this girl and I cheated on her with this other girl that was known to get around...  Anyway she gave me chlamydia and then the other girl was informed by her gyno that she had been exposed!

So, STDs man!

Sidethought: the temptation can be, you know, a dangerous thing...

I was with a girl that was quick to suck my dick.  I loved our sex.  But on another level other than the physical you draw out of a person substance and I fear she was drinking me like juice.  That's dangerous to be leaking out of your body after a full opening of sorts.

Send me a telepathic message.:awedance:


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19621603 - 02/26/14 03:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

cez said:
I still have mine :facepalm:

I don't know if I'm proud of it or just fucked in that center of my existence.
I have zero libido, haven't masterbated in months..Maybe 8 if I had to guess.

I was intimidated by girls that I was attracted to in my school days.
I then matured into realizing they're just as mentally off as I am...But during this maturation process my drive to wanna get laid deteriorated.

I wondered at one point, "maybe I'm gay and I never realized it?"....but that's not the case :lol:


I don't know how I feel about this nowadays...:confused:




Interesting... did you check your hormone levels? Do you have diabetes? Or do you think it's psychological?
Do you get turned on if you see hot woman, or of you watch porn?



Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

cez said:
I still have mine :facepalm:

I don't know if I'm proud of it or just fucked in that center of my existence.
I have zero libido, haven't masterbated in months..Maybe 8 if I had to guess.

I was intimidated by girls that I was attracted to in my school days.
I then matured into realizing they're just as mentally off as I am...But during this maturation process my drive to wanna get laid deteriorated.

I wondered at one point, "maybe I'm gay and I never realized it?"....but that's not the case :lol:


I don't know how I feel about this nowadays...:confused:




Interesting... did you check your hormone levels? Do you have diabetes? Or do you think it's psychological?
Do you get turned on if you see hot woman, or of you watch porn?



Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

cez said:
I still have mine :facepalm:

I don't know if I'm proud of it or just fucked in that center of my existence.
I have zero libido, haven't masterbated in months..Maybe 8 if I had to guess.

I was intimidated by girls that I was attracted to in my school days.
I then matured into realizing they're just as mentally off as I am...But during this maturation process my drive to wanna get laid deteriorated.

I wondered at one point, "maybe I'm gay and I never realized it?"....but that's not the case :lol:


I don't know how I feel about this nowadays...:confused:




Interesting... did you check your hormone levels? Do you have diabetes? Or do you think it's psychological?
Do you get turned on if you see hot woman, or of you watch porn?




Never checked my hormone levels.  Are you suggesting maybe low testosterone?
Don't watch porn.
My eyes are interested in hot girls, it's just my dick doesn't flip the switch.


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19621618 - 02/26/14 03:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Get in TOUCH with your self.


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19621644 - 02/26/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:
I still have mine :facepalm:

I don't know if I'm proud of it or just fucked in that center of my existence.
I have zero libido, haven't masterbated in months..Maybe 8 if I had to guess.

I was intimidated by girls that I was attracted to in my school days.
I then matured into realizing they're just as mentally off as I am...But during this maturation process my drive to wanna get laid deteriorated.

I wondered at one point, "maybe I'm gay and I never realized it?"....but that's not the case :lol:


I don't know how I feel about this nowadays...:confused:




Feelings and personality matter more than sex.. even though it is quite immatereal..


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Re: Virginity [Re: Icyus]
    #19621662 - 02/26/14 03:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Ya but I feel wrong (if I dwell on it) for not doing what humans are designed to do though.


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19621697 - 02/26/14 03:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:


Never checked my hormone levels.  Are you suggesting maybe low testosterone?
Don't watch porn.
My eyes are interested in hot girls, it's just my dick doesn't flip the switch.




Testosterone levels, thyroid hormones, and prolactin. Worth checking into.
I'd also try just finding a cool, hot girl to do E and explore each other. :wink:


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19621702 - 02/26/14 03:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:
Ya but I feel wrong (if I dwell on it) for not doing what humans are designed to do though.




Oh, fuck all that design crap. The fun of it is all, imo.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip] * 2
    #19621710 - 02/26/14 03:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Not really. For most of my life, it never really bothered me until maybe a couple of months before I lost it. There was a lot of pressure from society and friends to "do the greatest thing ever." And when I had sex, I did it with someone I genuinely cared about, and it was good.

But at the same time, I felt a tinge of, "Seriously? That's it? That's what culture puts on a pedestal? Great. Another let down sponsored by the culture I grew up in." :smile:


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19621715 - 02/26/14 03:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cez said:
Ya but I feel wrong (if I dwell on it) for not doing what humans are designed to do though.




If we are indeed designed to consume, procreate and exploit.. I would feel good being different..  if you would ever find someone who would perfectly fit your personality, a soulmate of sorts, you wouldnt (hopefully) care much about being attracted in a sexual way.. or it might be that when you first get over whatever fear you may have (assuming this is the case), it might turn out differently.. who knows..

I would only say this; be who you are and be proud of it.


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19621775 - 02/26/14 03:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't go so far as to be proud of it, but content seems better.

The sort of love preached, that exist only between two is the biased sort of love anyways.

When there is no mold that one can naturally fit into, create your own or remain moldless rather than trying to make yourself fit. That's all it is, a preconstructed mold that you realize you're not fitting into. The preconstructed mold is not necessarily what you are, it is what people are molded into.

So then the question becomes that of purpose, amirite?



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Re: Virginity [Re: teknix]
    #19622108 - 02/26/14 04:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Man.. I have a really cruel mind.. I am proud of this.. it is a part of me, and without it, I would be shallow in that manner..


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Re: Virginity [Re: cez]
    #19622128 - 02/26/14 04:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Ya but I feel wrong (if I dwell on it) for not doing what humans are designed to do though.




If you can accept yourself, by looking from outside the mold that makes you feel insecure, you will be miles ahead.

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    #19622166 - 02/26/14 04:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Ya but I feel wrong (if I dwell on it) for not doing what humans are designed to do though.




If you can accept yourself, by looking from outside the mold that makes you feel insecure, you will be miles ahead.

Right now, you're kinda letting others determine how you feel about you.



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Re: Virginity [Re: Icyus]
    #19624426 - 02/27/14 01:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sincerely ashamed of my (still going on) virginity, I'll be 19 in 4 days and the most I've done is oral sex. I've had a couple of opportunities in my life, but I've discarded these chances because I was really stupid. And i keep having opportunities, but i don't feel anything special for this girl, which is just a friend of mine, with whom I've had fun times, including the oral...I am sexually very active, I mastutbate at least once a day, twice if i have the time, unfortunately i haven't been very lucky with girls, and even when i have been, I've listened to my ego and pride and lost a chance...


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19624587 - 02/27/14 02:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Sometimes?  Try to think back to when you were in say the 7th grade and everything that mattered to you at that time... For me, it was fantasy/sci-fi books, mythology, acting in theatre, bands like "They Might Be Giants"....

I had this punk rock, straight edge phase when I was maybe 13?  I loved this band Minor Threat



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(I) Don't drink,
(I) Don't fuck,
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Out of step with the world."

This was mostly due to everyone I met losing their fuckin' sense of self over their hormonal imbalances.... Was fighting the sad reality that I needed to spurt one to feel okay in this world :lol:

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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19624602 - 02/27/14 02:37 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I think I've been horny since I was like 5 or 6 and it was hell to hold until then. :lol:




Me too, even younger... influenced majorly by a lot of television/film drama, nobody in my day to day life even remotely.....The kids in school didn't match up with my fantasy expectations, served more as a turn off for awhile for me.


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Re: Virginity [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19624679 - 02/27/14 03:36 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

omg, I know, some of those kids same age as me sucked, they were judgmental little bitches. :lol:
As they are now too, in fact. :wink:


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    #19626475 - 02/27/14 02:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Why and why?




It was odd. I went to a private Catholic high school in which very many people were sexually active (so much for good ol' Christian principles, huh? :lol:) and for a while, I thought I was missing out on something. And then there was a time where I would place myself above others because I believed I was somehow superior to them for not having given it away so easily.


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Re: Virginity [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #19631778 - 02/28/14 06:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Well, Never been proud over it, sometimes when I was about 14-15 i was ashamed and would probably have given it away if I had the possibility quite easy. I was the nerd and everyone kinda knew in a way, so. The hot popular girls in my class kind of hit on me, sometimes sat in my lap, but it was just a bullyish joke and all knew it, including me. Then I lost it  when I was sixteen to my ex-girlfriend and that was that.


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    #19631790 - 02/28/14 06:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Were you proud of yours when you had it?




Well, before puberty I really didn't care either way.  I thought it was weird how influenced post-puberty humans were by sexual desire, and I remember seeing a porn video back when I was 6 or 7 and just thinking that it was odd--no feelings of revulsion or attraction.  :shrug:

After puberty, however.... I was always more of the nerdy type.  I kept my virginity until I was 17 going on 18, and admittedly I always did feel a bit jealous of the kids who lost their virginity earlier.  But in retrospect, I'm glad I waited till I was ready.  It enabled me to emotionally mature to a better standpoint of being able to handle it, honestly.


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Re: Virginity [Re: deCypher]
    #19631804 - 02/28/14 06:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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It enabled me to emotionally mature to a better standpoint of being able to handle it, honestly.




What do you think the difference would have been in how you handled it, had you lost your virginity earlier?


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    #19668237 - 03/08/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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It enabled me to emotionally mature to a better standpoint of being able to handle it, honestly.




What do you think the difference would have been in how you handled it, had you lost your virginity earlier?




Well, perhaps I would have deflated the high level of importance that I (as well as most nerdy, virgin boys) tend to ascribe to the sexual experience.  This might have been a positive thing, but I fear this in turn could have led to increased promiscuity on my part, more one-night stands with minimal emotional attachment, more broken hearts as a result of said one-night stands, increased risk of having to deal with girls freaked out about possible pregnancy, me freaking out about possible STDs, etcetera etc.

That isn't to say that this series of events wouldn't help with character growth, but IMO waiting for as long as I did gave me the opportunity to see the potentially negative repercussions of early sexual exploration/wilful hedonistic abandonment with usual slim care for the consequences (most teenagers in high school don't have fully developed frontal lobes, which is probably why they make rash decisions without even thinking about potential detrimental results).

Overall, perhaps I missed out on some fun times by not losing my virginity earlier, but I don't think I would have been as ready to deal with the smorgasbord of potentially bad things that can issue from said event.  :shrug:  Of course, this hypothetical scenario I just constructed could be utterly wrong, and I could missed my chance to become the Alpha Stud on Campus with two bitches on each arm while my phone blows up constantly with California dimes desperate to blow me.  :pimpslap: :lol:

In reality, however, I'd probably end up getting the first bitch I fuck at, say, 14 pregnant, and with my luck it would turn out that she comes from a really Catholic family who forbids her to get an abortion.  As a result, I now have to take care of a kid I don't even really want, am forced to pay child support for 18 more years, and in general have just now pretty much ruined my life.  So yeah, I'm glad I waited.  High school freshmen are not typically, on the whole, emotionally mature enough to deal with sex and the myriad of issues it can cause IMO.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19668295 - 03/08/14 04:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You don't what you've got till it's gone.

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    #19668972 - 03/08/14 07:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I had no sense of value attributed to my virginity, and so I let go it quickly and easily in hopes of fast gains in the pleasure department. Now, I am rather embarrassed at my sexual haste (that continued for another 10 years, also to my current dismay).  I'm finally coming to terms with it after being hit hard and realizing that I emotionally can't (and don't want to) deal with the casualness of my previous M.O. anymore. It also helps me to realize there was a pathological element to it all.


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Re: Virginity [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19672022 - 03/09/14 03:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

What was pathological about it?


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    #19673676 - 03/09/14 09:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

mmm.. that's debatable, sure. I guess the biggest reason is that I look at that period in my life now and am in disbelief of how I lived. I felt gross about myself many times, but sought to ignore/numb/distract myself from what I was doing instead of face the demon and understand it. I would say that a lot of the time I was on autopilot and reacting to/manipulating my environment. Putting myself in a position where I was raped on many different occasions and never thinking I should stop doing that or that it was concerning.. It's just weird and I'm still figuring out if it's something I need/want to talk about with people I let get close to me. The older I get, the more I lean towards "no," yet here I am talking about it, so there's some inconsistency.


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Re: Virginity [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19675874 - 03/10/14 12:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

never have, quite possibly won't. i'm indifferent to it really:shrug:

but hey i'm pretty quiet and that dosen't make relations with people easy, of any kind, much less sex.

so i suppose it'd be a more personal than casual experience.


i'd rather just hook up electrodes to my nerves and force orgasms with the push of a button


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Re: Virginity [Re: Penelope_Tree] * 1
    #19676137 - 03/10/14 01:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Putting myself in a position where I was raped on many different occasions and never thinking I should stop doing that or that it was concerning.. It's just weird and I'm still figuring out if it's something I need/want to talk about with people I let get close to me. The older I get, the more I lean towards "no," yet here I am talking about it, so there's some inconsistency.




Do I understand right that you consider your actions to be rape inviting? Because if this is so, it might just be part of the unprocessed trauma you're dealing with, which often times includes blaming oneself... It is very true we live in a world where some take certain behaviors as an invitation to rape, but that's just the psychopathic fucked-up rapist mentality. Believing in it might harm you just as much as a rape... Maybe this inconsistency in your needs, which you mention here, is still part of a trauma that needs to be addressed and resolved.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19676633 - 03/10/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I was really embarrassed. I'm not even part of the culture that's supposed to be out there, but you seem like a bit of a stupid boy still if you can't even get laid and come into your adulthood as a human being.


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    #19676643 - 03/10/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Did that drive you to do it?


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    #19676835 - 03/10/14 04:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I don't really understand why you'd be proud or ashamed of virginity.


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    #19676873 - 03/10/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

me either, but there it is


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    #19677457 - 03/10/14 06:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, you read me right. I think I also need a different job so that I'm not confronted by these same issues in other people everyday. That quickly becomes emotionally draining. Still figuring out if that's avoidance or simply taking care of myself... I'm leaning towards the latter.


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    #19677535 - 03/10/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Avoidance is a method of taking care of yourself, at least until you're ready for facing something. But how did you come to the conclusion that your actions were rape inviting?


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Re: Virginity [Re: Tropism]
    #19677621 - 03/10/14 07:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Did that drive you to do it?



Yeah. I'm not even part of the culture and if I met someone that was 23 and a virgin like I was at that age, I'd involuntarily think less of them. It's just how it seems to go, why over think it.

I was mentally ill though, that's why I couldn't talk to chicks or really have interest in sex enough to get laid. In fact it was difficult to maintain boner during that first time.

It really changes what you think about girls / how you approach them. If you've never had your sprinkle inside one you act like a bitch around them.


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    #19678099 - 03/10/14 08:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Some philosophical dude once said something like, "If monkeys drank beer and experienced a hangover, they'd never touch beer again. Humans, on the other hand..." If it had only happened one time, I could chalk it up to bad luck, bad person, etc.. but the repeat offenses make it seem as if the problem was primarily my behavior. IDK. I get it - that still doesn't excuse the other party. I just feel stupid and like I contributed to the situation. Glad to be out of that period in my life.


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    #19678991 - 03/10/14 11:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I was ashamed before I had lost it. Even in middle school lmao. I finally lost it to someone special, and realized how over hyped it was and it didn't even seem cool at that point-but I think it's good to wait for the right person/til you can hold responsibility, or it's sketchy/awkward


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Re: Virginity [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #19683529 - 03/11/14 11:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If there is no meaning everything is cheap and has no value.

Where is there uniqueness in sleeping around?  They use each other as objects and wonder why they feel empty.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #19685005 - 03/12/14 10:13 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Were you proud of yours when you had it?



Not really, as others have said I managed to get rid of it before it was an issue.


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Re: Virginity [Re: Mr.Al] * 1
    #19685029 - 03/12/14 10:18 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Sex doesn't have to mean anything if the people performing it don't want it to and are okay with that. I don't think it's intrinsically unique, either. :shrug:

If one feels empty after having sex with others, they need to confront some internal issues and question their motivations, but that doesn't reflect upon the act of sleeping around as a whole.


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    #19685929 - 03/12/14 01:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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They use each other as objects and wonder why they feel empty.




Oh they do? You just happen to know this? Hmmm, I must have hallucinated not feeling "empty" back when I'd sleep around. Who knew? :wow:


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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip] * 1
    #19687333 - 03/12/14 06:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I was way too immature and socially undeveloped during high school to have been sexually involved, and while my best friend from childhood was having sex, he also grew up with 2 sisters and he was comfortable with girls. The girls I was attracted to were few, and I did manage to become friends with one of them, whom I saw as a woman among girls, but I was not a 'boyfriend.' I was so shy on a New Year's Eve when I went out with her and another girl, that I couldn't even kiss her at midnight. She simply said, "I understand," but I can't to this day imagine what she understood. In 2001 I saw her at a reunion, and took the opportunity to gush about how I felt about her in high school. She was obviously taken aback, because she began to pursue me via e-mail when I had returned to my home state, even though she had met my Lady at the reunion (who took leave of us so that I could finish with my karmic business). It was enough just to have her pursue me.

I decided in college that it was 'time' to give up my virginity, so I showed up at a girl's dorm room with a joint someone had given me, a girl who had been staring at me continually in a class on witchcraft. When I walked in, there was a guy lying with his head on her lap. She jumped up so quickly, she dumped the guy on the floor! :lol: She was a 'nice Jewish girl' from Chestnut Hill, MA, a year older than me. I didn't tell her that I was a virgin until much later, but she must have known by my quick performance. I visited her a couple of times after she graduated, but like her two sisters, each with 2 or 3 kids, I knew that's what she wanted, and I was not about to marry the first girl I slept with, while I was still in school, whom I was not in love with, and while I had no idea what I was gonna do with my life. I was a late bloomer. Here's a pic of me on the bed I gave away my virginity on:



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    #19687363 - 03/12/14 06:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: Thanks for sharing, man.  Looks like you would have been a righteous dude to get blazed with if I had grown up back in the 70s.  :tongue:


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    #19687468 - 03/12/14 07:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

No, I was neutral. Then I had sex and I was fucking amazed at how wonderful it made me feel.
Not all sex is created equal thats for sure!


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    #19688085 - 03/12/14 09:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Were you proud of yours when you had it?



Nope I took the first opportunity that was presented to me to get rid of it.




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    #19688322 - 03/12/14 09:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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:lol: Thanks for sharing, man.  Looks like you would have been a righteous dude to get blazed with if I had grown up back in the 70s.  :tongue:




Is the 'Persistence of Memory' pic, or the (then) $6 Pakistani hookah that makes you think that? :lol: I turned down stoning for so many years, I think I created a negative morphic field around myself, such that I didn't even smell ganja when I was in Jamaica. I DID resurrect a tiny bit of grass from the freezer recently, and although some 15 years old, a match-head sized bit was more than enough.


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    #19690751 - 03/13/14 01:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I was way too immature and socially undeveloped during high school to have been sexually involved, and while my best friend from childhood was having sex, he also grew up with 2 sisters and he was comfortable with girls. The girls I was attracted to were few, and I did manage to become friends with one of them, whom I saw as a woman among girls, but I was not a 'boyfriend.' I was so shy on a New Year's Eve when I went out with her and another girl, that I couldn't even kiss her at midnight. She simply said, "I understand," but I can't to this day imagine what she understood. In 2001 I saw her at a reunion, and took the opportunity to gush about how I felt about her in high school. She was obviously taken aback, because she began to pursue me via e-mail when I had returned to my home state, even though she had met my Lady at the reunion (who took leave of us so that I could finish with my karmic business). It was enough just to have her pursue me.

I decide in college that it was 'time' to give up my virginity, so I showed up at a girl's dorm room with a joint someone had given me, a girl who had been staring at me continually in a class on witchcraft. When I walked in, there was a guy lying with his head on her lap. She jumped up so quickly, she dumped the guy on the floor! :lol: She was a 'nice Jewish girl' from Chestnut Hill, MA, a year older than me. I didn't tell her that I was a virgin until much later, but she must have known by my quick performance. I visited her a couple of times after she graduated, but like her two sisters, each with 2 or 3 kids, I knew that's what she wanted, and I was not about to marry the first girl I slept with, while I was still in school, whom I was not in love with, and while I had no idea what I was gonna do with my life. I was a late bloomer. Here's a pic of me on the bed I gave away my virginity on:






That's a great story!


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    #19691093 - 03/13/14 02:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks M.T..  Part 2 would be when I fell head-over-heels in love  (1st time and infinitely more powerful than merely having sex) with a beautiful 18 year old (monied) Jewess of Russian descent, who I immediately sensed upon introduction was 'trouble,' and was reluctant to tell her where I lived.' She sought me out that very night in my room. She lived with her parents just off campus, and showed up with her Afghan dog, Smokey. Very bright at 18, she turned me onto Huxley's book Island which I then read in a day, and she wanted me to read The Grifters by Jim Thompson (an attempt to clue me in about her plans). It was a one-semester romance, but she was ridiculously promiscuous and had even been raped while hitch-hiking, but she persisted in being on the highway at night in nightgown, according to guys on my dorm floor. I think she was trying to recapitulate the trauma and master it - training for what was to come. Eventually, my roommate of 3 years phoned me to say that my 'girlfriend' had taken 2 buses to show up at his door in Queens, NY. He offered to take her coat, and she gave him all of her clothes. He wanted to tell me before she did.

I was supposed to pick her up in Long Island, NY to take her to a Grateful Dead show at The Capitol Theatre in Passaic, NJ on her birthday, but when I received the call from my roommate, I called her and said I could never see her again, that we weren't good for each other. She made it to that show herself. I saw her from a bar across the street when the show had ended, standing still on the sidewalk with a huge handbag as the crowd flowed around her. She was looking for me. That was that last I heard or saw of her for some 32 years, when someone doing research on her on the internet (she had been in the 'National Enquirer' in 2002 for operating a huge underage prostitution ring in Colorado), told her that there's some old boyfriend of her's on The Shroomery, writing about her. With 'Intellus,' she sent a memo, which I thought was fake, but I left the number of my first cell phone, and on Christmas Eve 2008, she phoned me. Now, I must tell you, that I have years of dream journals in which I had been dreaming about this girl for 3 decades. In fact, from the time I broke up with her, for the next 3 years, I couldn't get her out of my mind on a moment-to-moment basis. I think I entered a seminary, in part, because I thought I was possessed by her. :devil:

This girl became a prostitute, a 'mama' with the Hell's Angels, and another MC club, and a pimp. I was stunned and overjoyed to hear from her, mostly because I thought it would put an end to the dreams - the kind of haunting one gets when one abruptly kills a relationship, but I still dream about her. We do not speak too often, because she is somewhat rude to my wife. I send her e-mails once in a while, but she keeps inviting me to CO to sleep with her (despite her plethora of admitted STDs). Her folks are (?) still alive in their late 80s, just north of me, but they seemed to have disowned her for her notorious career, which in part, is due to their failure to have detected the early childhood sexual abuse she was receiving at the hands of an older female sibling. She developed BPD, (possibly from perceived emotional abandonment/betrayal) and has had a history of heroin use. In my dreams, she is perpetually 18 years old, but occasionally, my unconscious creates a time-progression of sorts in my dream. If she does come back to FL (oddly, she lived nearby just after I moved here, and I once told my then new wife that this girl was the only threat to my fidelity, even though I hadn't seen her at that point for 8 years) to attend a funeral, I've volunteered to get her at the airport. My wife insists on chaperoning. I guess the ancient attraction is palpably alive in my psyche even to my wife. :flowers: :shrug:

~The End~


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Re: Virginity [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #19691426 - 03/13/14 03:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

What a story -- full of lust, intrigue, and a certain joie de vivre.  Bravo!


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    #19692137 - 03/13/14 06:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: Glad you enjoyed it.


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    #19692539 - 03/13/14 07:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Really good little story. However, the word 'Jewess', is a little bit archaic and a lot of bit of hilarious.


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    #19692655 - 03/13/14 08:17 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Really good little story. However, the word 'Jewess', is a little bit archaic and a lot of bit of hilarious.




Well, that's how I captured her at the time. Don't be offended. I grew up Jewish myself, and this one was removed from all the other Jewish American Princesses I went to college with, archaic as it might sound. Besides, I like a touch of archaic when I write. I still write 'til' for until.


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    #19692737 - 03/13/14 08:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I wasn't offended. I thought it was really funny that's all.


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    #19693285 - 03/13/14 10:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Feel free to laugh!


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    #19695114 - 03/14/14 12:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Jewish people really don't like me. I tell them of Jesus.


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    #19695781 - 03/14/14 03:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Jewish people really don't like me. I tell them of Jesus.




I'm a 'Jew For Jesus,' but I don't like your attitude.


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    #19695853 - 03/14/14 04:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Jewish people really don't like me. I tell them of Jesus.



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    #19705263 - 03/16/14 04:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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They use each other as objects and wonder why they feel empty.




Oh they do? You just happen to know this? Hmmm, I must have hallucinated not feeling "empty" back when I'd sleep around. Who knew? :wow:





It might not bother you, sure, what would it mean to a loved one.

You were referring to yourself.  I think love is more real when the individual is thinking about the other.

If it is just as casual as a handshake, I would say it is difficult to find meaning.


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    #19705281 - 03/16/14 04:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Whoever said that sex without the context of a relationship has to be casual like a handshake, or that during the intercourse one doesn't think about the other? Jeez, you must have had some bad strange. :lol:


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    #19705324 - 03/16/14 04:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Give you an example:

Let's say two Enlightened Beings are in love and they live in Paradise; then they both decide to examine each other's Life Reviews...

They were in love and then they examined their last incarnation and they wonder what the difference is between any of the individuals they knew before and perhaps something is lost upon the examination...


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    #19705344 - 03/16/14 05:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, like reality. :lol:


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    #19706147 - 03/16/14 08:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

A relationship can be special to the individuals involved because of the uniqueness of their shared experience.

Those who have "been around" seem jaded...


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    #19706181 - 03/16/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i'm not proud to be a virgin, i'm not upset being a virgin.

i think there is some ups to it though, such as... i don't crave intimacy or sex, because i've gone so long  without sex that it doesn't really cross my mind that i "should be" lookin' out to get laid.

it does, however, cross my mind that it'd ultimately be a good thing for me to get laid though, but not enough so that i strive to look towards sex as some kind of means to an end. i'd just simply feel good to be intimate with another, otherwise, what'd be the point?

but though that is true, i don't feel compelled to make a big deal out of it for myself, because i have alot of other interests that i can indulge in.


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    #19706208 - 03/16/14 08:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I consider it commendable and even Virtuous to abstain.  It shows much discipline in a world that is often wantonly hedonistic.


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    #19706249 - 03/16/14 09:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i never thought anyone who was trying to get laid in high school knew what they were doing anyway.

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They still do not know what they are doing, likely eons will pass and they will still not know...


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    #19715982 - 03/18/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I was made fun of for having mine so I was like fuck this and did my best to loose it at 15


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    #19716650 - 03/19/14 12:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I look very Jewish sometimes when I grin, I have my suspicions. Definitely something non-Caucasian wandered into the mix at some stage in my family tree.


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I consider it commendable and even Virtuous to abstain.  It shows much discipline in a world that is often wantonly hedonistic.



This is somewhat a respectable position but if you're a healthy person with lots of vitality then you see hot chicks and feel amazing feelings, and you sort of understand why the culture gives people who don't dive into that a hard time.


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    #19717993 - 03/19/14 11:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I look very Jewish sometimes when I grin, I have my suspicions. Definitely something non-Caucasian wandered into the mix at some stage in my family tree.




Looking Jewish does not mean non-Caucasian (from Caucasus region) since Caucasian means 'white or European.' My parents were culturally Jewish, and 3/4 of my grandparents came from Romanian (and probably, but denied), Germany. Eastern European peasant stock has resulted in non-Semitic 'Jewish looks' in the US an elsewhere.


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I look very Jewish sometimes when I grin, I have my suspicions. Definitely something non-Caucasian wandered into the mix at some stage in my family tree.




Looking Jewish does not mean non-Caucasian (from Caucasus region) since Caucasian means 'white or European.' My parents were culturally Jewish, and 3/4 of my grandparents came from Romanian (and probably, but denied), Germany. Eastern European peasant stock has resulted in non-Semitic 'Jewish looks' in the US an elsewhere.





Am I Jew enough for you, I eat the Matzos.:rofl:

Jehovah and Yeshua are the same person.


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    #19742768 - 03/24/14 07:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Jehovah and Yeshua are the same person.

Uh, no. In fact, phenomenologically speaking, YHVH and the Father of the NT don't even look related! Hence the Gnostic Demiurge idea. But Yeshua (Joshua, Iesous, Isa) was a man for whom the author John was 'God clothed with flesh,' in a Hellenistic, demigod kind of way. For Mark, and Matthew and Luke who borrowed from Mark, thought of Jesus as 'a man anointed by God.' HUGE difference in Reality here. The Talmud says that Jesus was a magician (and a mamser [bastard]), the Qur'an says that Jesus was a prophet, certain Hindus think Jesus was an avatar, and some Buddhists see Jesus as a Bodhisattva. Meanwhile, some Gnostic thinkers like Tim Freke and Peter Gandy (along with theologian-physician Albert Schweitzer) think Jesus was never a single historical man but a literary composite of different wisdom teachers.


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Fascinating that mammals copulation evokes so much crap.


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    #19744789 - 03/25/14 11:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

What do you mean when I had it? :shrug:

I STILL DO. :dancer: and yes, I am 50/50 because as much as I want to fk, I want to do it with someone I love.

My hand keeps me SANE for the time being. :spun:


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    #19744832 - 03/25/14 11:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I suppose copulation supported by our biological drives makes it seem emotional and special.

I hope with the limited energy and economic system inter grated with human reproductive emotional necessity is met by exceptional anal technological advances.


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    #19745051 - 03/25/14 12:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Fascinating that mammals copulation evokes so much crap.




Non sequitur.


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    #19755951 - 03/27/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Some philosophical dude once said something like, "If monkeys drank beer and experienced a hangover, they'd never touch beer again. Humans, on the other hand..." If it had only happened one time, I could chalk it up to bad luck, bad person, etc.. but the repeat offenses make it seem as if the problem was primarily my behavior. IDK. I get it - that still doesn't excuse the other party. I just feel stupid and like I contributed to the situation. Glad to be out of that period in my life.




Usually there are at least two aspects to what happens to us, and to how we are formed as people. Our environments and ourselves. My wife thinks I am very lazy with housework, and she is probably right. As a child I never had to do any housework, because my dad always did everything for me. Because of that I think I developed to become a rather lazy person myself. But should I really blame my kind dad for my current laziness? I could, but I think it is better to blame myself. When we blame ourselves we have the possibility to improve ourselves. If we always blame other people, we see no reason to improve ourselves.

Rape is a horrible thing, but getting super drunk might also be somewhat irresponsible, especially if you can't take care of yourself in that state. The world if full of stupid and/or evil people. There is nothing we can do about that. We can however act more responsible ourselves, so that we don't get ourselves into trouble with all these stupid and/or evil people.


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    #19756932 - 03/27/14 06:37 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Jehovah and Yeshua are the same person.

Uh, no. In fact, phenomenologically speaking, YHVH and the Father of the NT don't even look related! Hence the Gnostic Demiurge idea. But Yeshua (Joshua, Iesous, Isa) was a man for whom the author John was 'God clothed with flesh,' in a Hellenistic, demigod kind of way. For Mark, and Matthew and Luke who borrowed from Mark, thought of Jesus as 'a man anointed by God.' HUGE difference in Reality here. The Talmud says that Jesus was a magician (and a mamser [bastard]), the Qur'an says that Jesus was a prophet, certain Hindus think Jesus was an avatar, and some Buddhists see Jesus as a Bodhisattva. Meanwhile, some Gnostic thinkers like Tim Freke and Peter Gandy (along with theologian-physician Albert Schweitzer) think Jesus was never a single historical man but a literary composite of different wisdom teachers.





Yeshua used to ask his disciples who sent him, no one decided to send Yeshua, because no one is higher than Yeshua.

Your dusty manuscripts say things, Sentient Beings suppose things but only God Knows directly.

Why was Yeshua crucified?  It was part of the transmutation process of Original Sin.  Original Sin was literally the by-product of giving Total Free Will to each Sentient Being individually.

You see, Sentient Beings have Self and therefore Self-Interest.  When Self-Interest is acted upon at the expense of Others the result is a Sin. 

Yeshua was called Sinless and Blameless because he was incapable of Sin.  Yeshua had no Self-Interest because he had no Self.

No Self-Interest means incapable of Sin actually.

Yeshua was never created, thus Yeshua and YHVH (Tetragramatron) are literally the same Being.


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    #19757877 - 03/27/14 10:14 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Your logic is based on myth misunderstood, and therefore flawed. John's myth equated Y'shua with God. Y'shua is a man, all men are mortal, therefore Y'shua is not God.


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    #19771063 - 03/30/14 10:20 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Your logic is based on myth misunderstood, and therefore flawed. John's myth equated Y'shua with God. Y'shua is a man, all men are mortal, therefore Y'shua is not God.





Yeshua came back from the dead and raised the dead, that is not what others do.

Yeshua is the Word of God Literally.

Some folks aren't really Christian...


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    #19771099 - 03/30/14 10:29 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

i read Genesis yesterday, blazing and listening to some real Indian vibes... and (lo) there was a lot of going unto in chicks, i must say.


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    #19771127 - 03/30/14 10:33 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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i read Genesis yesterday, blazing and listening to some real Indian vibes... and (lo) there was a lot of going unto in chicks, i must say.





In the Ancient Days, the women wanted to hear what you thought about Proverbs and may even ask you about your personal Parables and what they mean before you even have a cup of tea.  They only wanted to share sexuality with someone that they would love all their life and even into the afterlife.

Nowadays they speak of flings and hooking up, utterly disgraceful meaningless behavioral patterns.


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    #19771153 - 03/30/14 10:38 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, people were pretty retardedly polite, save a bit of the political customs that people still to this day have resorted to. then it all kinda made sense though... people knew well as much. doesn't apply here though.


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    #19771169 - 03/30/14 10:42 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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yeah, people were pretty retardedly polite, save a bit of the political customs that people still to this day have resorted to. then it all kinda made sense though... people knew well as much. doesn't apply here though.





There were certain forms of Enlightened Ritual and Etiquette that permeated the human civilization.

Languages of hand gestures, Beings politely introducing with gestures that bespoke who they are, their responsibilities and their current Enlightened Attainment Statuses.


Men and Women did not treat each other as objects in the Enlightened part of civilization.  Now, some of the real screwed up individuals had lower morality than animals.


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    #19771204 - 03/30/14 10:48 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

all in balance. after all, things are always going to require further inference to produce finer results in all trials for themselves, and all human endeavors are congruent in those things, so it shall have to be done; there will be problems but then there are solutions to those problems, and then there is a further consequence of facing one problem introducing more then having to face those ones as we are always on the move towards new things, (and yet somethings never die)


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    #19773509 - 03/31/14 02:53 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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i read Genesis yesterday, blazing and listening to some real Indian vibes... and (lo) there was a lot of going unto in chicks, i must say.





In the Ancient Days, the women wanted to hear what you thought about Proverbs and may even ask you about your personal Parables and what they mean before you even have a cup of tea.  They only wanted to share sexuality with someone that they would love all their life and even into the afterlife.

Nowadays they speak of flings and hooking up, utterly disgraceful meaningless behavioral patterns.




Yeah, sex with anyone is utterly meaningless and disgraceful unless you plan on spending your entire life madly in love with them.  :rolleyes:


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    #19773975 - 03/31/14 04:37 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

now, with the advent of the modern ages. duh.


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    #19785174 - 04/02/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

If they each focus on themselves then their love is shallow.  So if it is only about carnal enjoyment then there is no love and the sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.


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    #19785741 - 04/02/14 07:30 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Your logic is based on myth misunderstood, and therefore flawed. John's myth equated Y'shua with God. Y'shua is a man, all men are mortal, therefore Y'shua is not God.





Yeshua came back from the dead and raised the dead, that is not what others do.

Yeshua is the Word of God Literally.

Some folks aren't really Christian...




That is the crux of the Christian myth. Resurrection is not physical resuscitation. Resurrection is a spiritual event, as Paul understood it. Only the later 'public relations' advertising documents called the gospels portrayed the event as a tangible, historical resuscitation. That is midrash and myth, pure and simple. All religions are portrayed with some degree of myth, even the realizations of a young, yet-to-be-enlightened Siddhartha Gautama. Christian doesn't necessarily mean concrete-thinking, puerile, or gullible.


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    #19785942 - 04/02/14 08:20 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Your logic is based on myth misunderstood, and therefore flawed. John's myth equated Y'shua with God. Y'shua is a man, all men are mortal, therefore Y'shua is not God.





Yeshua came back from the dead and raised the dead, that is not what others do.

Yeshua is the Word of God Literally.

Some folks aren't really Christian...




That is the crux of the Christian myth. Resurrection is not physical resuscitation. Resurrection is a spiritual event, as Paul understood it. Only the later 'public relations' advertising documents called the gospels portrayed the event as a tangible, historical resuscitation. That is midrash and myth, pure and simple. All religions are portrayed with some degree of myth, even the realizations of a young, yet-to-be-enlightened Siddhartha Gautama. Christian doesn't necessarily mean concrete-thinking, puerile, or gullible.




Are you certain? I easily imagine that an urban legend of a holy man who was crucified and resurrected from the dead spreading about like wildfire to the credulous by word of mouth before the gospels were ever penned....  It just seems to fit in with the madness and hysteria of life in that era...  Maybe more sane people tried to balance the urban legend out by likening the myth to psychological rejuvenation...


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    #19785956 - 04/02/14 08:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

all of it. it's all poetry and myth and in Biblical terms, survival; things that have been in oration since we could speak-- let alone without a signified language-- and could tell stories to one another, and i would guess sing and dance together when they could afford to and pay homage to the Gods. which may or may not have been even signified in any meaningful way, to our nods to life.


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    #19785986 - 04/02/14 08:28 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I look very Jewish sometimes when I grin, I have my suspicions. Definitely something non-Caucasian wandered into the mix at some stage in my family tree.




Looking Jewish does not mean non-Caucasian (from Caucasus region) since Caucasian means 'white or European.' My parents were culturally Jewish, and 3/4 of my grandparents came from Romanian (and probably, but denied), Germany. Eastern European peasant stock has resulted in non-Semitic 'Jewish looks' in the US an elsewhere.



Ah okay.

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    #19786894 - 04/02/14 11:34 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

The elite thinkers had heard it all before through many of the religions of antiquity. Mithraism was huge among the Roman soldiers. They had their stages of attainment, communion with bread and wine. The Egyptian religion of Osiris and Isis lived on. Osiris, god of resurrection, hybridized with Orpheus, with Dionysus. People must have heard it all before, and with nothing new in the cinema or on TV, they must have been absolutely nuts about a new mythos.  Many Gnostics have interpreted Paul in a way that indicates their whole inner-directed understanding. Paul never spoke to a resuscitated Jesus, he spoke exclusively about the resurrected Christ, yet Paul too misunderstood the End Times (he was wrong about the immanent end of the world and the descent of the New Jerusalem). Paul spoke to us in his letters about his spiritual experiences. They were windows into other types of existence, so I'm not saying that he was only referring to psychological states that would perish with us in death. But Paul never could get the notion that John's Gospel suggested to Gnostics in his "I AM" sayings, namely, that they apply to you and me as well as Jesus. What we are at bottom is God. There, I said it.


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    #19787140 - 04/03/14 12:45 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, but I'm not convinced that it originates top down from 'Elite Thinkers' who grokked Eternal Consciousness, from which their sayings were then perverted to concrete way of thinking w/ urban legends by pedestrian recipients...

I mean, you've taken LSD, did you need to be jonesing for a new movie to sum it all up for you while soaring on 500ug of LSD?  Are they works of art that the masses interpret as superficial, pretty songs, yet don't know what they mean... so they shoot their guns off about 'em....?  Maybe...


I envision the ecstatic types living in hyperspace, re-orchestrating the myths of the masses to higher pursuits by drawing parallels between their mundane myths and ecstatic states of consciousness.


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    #19792933 - 04/04/14 02:53 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

ever wonder if preserved texts even remotely represent the best of literature from the era? could just be the equivalent of the new york time's best seller's list :shrug: i mean, they heard it all before... and they're nuts over it? wouldn't it seem trite to an elite thinker?  all the brilliant indies of antiquity could be lost in the sauce.....


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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    #19794467 - 04/04/14 01:00 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Okay, but I'm not convinced that it originates top down from 'Elite Thinkers' who grokked Eternal Consciousness, from which their sayings were then perverted to concrete way of thinking w/ urban legends by pedestrian recipients...

I mean, you've taken LSD, did you need to be jonesing for a new movie to sum it all up for you while soaring on 500ug of LSD?  Are they works of art that the masses interpret as superficial, pretty songs, yet don't know what they mean... so they shoot their guns off about 'em....?  Maybe...


I envision the ecstatic types living in hyperspace, re-orchestrating the myths of the masses to higher pursuits by drawing parallels between their mundane myths and ecstatic states of consciousness.




I can't help but agree with the thesis of Rev. John Shelby Spong, especially as elaborated in Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes. The New Testament WAS about a group of people's experiences with one Iesous of Nazareth, but the gospels themselves were written in order to fulfill the prophesies of the Tenach, and the Synoptics (Matthew and Luke based on Mark, Mark based on the 'Q' Source), adhered closely to the Jewish liturgical calendar. I learned a whole new dimension from Rev. Spong

As to ecstatic, the only biblical description of such a thing is in Luke's Acts 2:3, where the apostles 'receive' the Holy Spirit, or the "cloven tongues of fire" which sit upon their heads seem a reference to the 'Serpent Power,' inasmuch as the serpent (and some other reptiles) have a 'cloven' or forked tongue, and flames are often described as 'licking,' or as 'tongues of flame,' but nowhere else have I seen "cloven," but I greatly digress. Witnesses think the apostles are drunk in Acts, but it's 9:00 in the morning. Some are speaking in 'tongues,' or glossolalia, as "the Spirit gave them utterance" - Acts 2:4. So this kind of experience would be "Elite," spiritually speaking, but these peasants who were experiencing it were not "'Elite Thinkers'" by any stretch. The Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria, whose writings on the Logos (Word), were adopted by the author of John's gospel, now HE was an "Elite Thinker!" And we DO have his writings. Philo lived contemporaneously with Iesous, from whom there are no writings, and scant evidence, even just a one-liner from the Roman Jewish historian Flavius Josephus.

Then, my mind was further blown by D.M. Murdock's book Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection, which documents a major portion of the New Testament stories of Iesous' hearings and miracles being lifted almost verbatim from the Egyptian Pyramid texts and Coffin Texts. I do not think that faith is supposed to be rooted in historical events, but in metaphysical premises. I further think that Christians, who end up (as I once did) taking the tack that 'other' religions are merely mythic, whereas Christianity is myth-enacted-in-history, are ultimately subtle materialists. Iesous, when I was young and Christ was novel, really was God's 'son,' because (1) I didn't grok that all the kings of Israel were 'sons of God' by virtue of the divine right of kingship, and followers thought Iesous was the promised Messiah, hence the king of the Jews (facetiously nailed to his cross, "Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum"), was a 'son of God' in THAT sense.

(2) I was brainwashed with the anthropomorphic language in which God was a 'Father,' who, through miraculous agency, impregnated a mortal female, Miriam/Mary, who bore a divine Son. At the time, I wasn't reading this as Greek mythology, which it surely is, and why I now sympathize with the Jews who were not having it. Isis-Mari was herself symbolized by a dove, as was Aprodite, goddess of love. Mary's conception by the 'Word' has been represented in art as a dove speaking into her ear, by which means she conceived. Greek mythic deities, the Supreme God Zeus included, frequently did this same thing in classic Hellenistic literature. The Jews knew this, and again, they had their own myths, and moreover, a long history of prophets. God was Spirit, and the later theology originated by John made Iesous out to be 'God clothed with flesh,' instead of the more primitive original Synoptic notion that Iesous was 'a man anointed by God.' Jews could handle a prophet, but not God Incarnate. Worshipping God in any form, including man, or a demigod, was anathema to Jews, but not to Greeks and Romans. But it was Akhentaten all over again. Now only ONE man could be worshipped AS God. The doctrine of the Trinity was archetypal chicanery. Iesous would not have approved.

Mainstream Christians think I'm deluded, but I think that mainstream Christians are comfortably deluded in The Matrix of their exoteric myths, while like the mythic Neo, I have been awakened from The Matrix. I am convinced that I have struggled a lot more with these things than virtually every Christian I have met, and all of this struggle, between faith and reason has finally been reconciled by my current position. Faith transcends the opposites of myth-history, mind-matter. And as we learned in The Matrix, Neo's faith in himself grew by leaps and bounds - literally. But more important than faith in the films, as in the New Testament, was love. "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing" - 1 Corinthians 13:2. Instead of new wine in old wineskins bursting the vessels, I have found that old wine (scriptures) in new wineskins (The Matrix films has been enlivening. In the Age of Aquarius, new myths will be needed. The ages of Aries (the Ram), Taurus (The Bull), and Pisces (The Fish) - to wit, the Egyptian, the Hebrew, and the Christian eras have come and gone.


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    #19795377 - 04/04/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I can't help but agree with the thesis of Rev. John Shelby Spong, especially as elaborated in Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes. The New Testament WAS about a group of people's experiences with one Iesous of Nazareth, but the gospels themselves were written in order to fulfill the prophesies of the Tenach, and the Synoptics (Matthew and Luke based on Mark, Mark based on the 'Q' Source), adhered closely to the Jewish liturgical calendar. I learned a whole new dimension from Rev. Spong




This was precisely my coursework in undergrad philosophy 14 years ago, we compared the differences between each gospel to get a picture of each author's respective motives...I don't precisely understand why you're attributing all this knowledge to Spong.  From day one we learned that clearly the Gospels were not written by the apostles of Jesus, we got a reasonable idea of a timeline when each was written, and began digging into the various political motives, the audiences each were being written for, etc.  Even pbs seems to take a stab at explaining it, they take a couple minutes each to read, is a decent refresher imho.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/mark.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/matthew.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/luke.html


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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I can't help but agree with the thesis of Rev. John Shelby Spong, especially as elaborated in Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes. The New Testament WAS about a group of people's experiences with one Iesous of Nazareth, but the gospels themselves were written in order to fulfill the prophesies of the Tenach, and the Synoptics (Matthew and Luke based on Mark, Mark based on the 'Q' Source), adhered closely to the Jewish liturgical calendar. I learned a whole new dimension from Rev. Spong




This was precisely my coursework in undergrad philosophy 14 years ago, we compared the differences between each gospel to get a picture of each author's respective motives...I don't precisely understand why you're attributing all this knowledge to Spong.  From day one we learned that clearly the Gospels were not written by the apostles of Jesus, we got a reasonable idea of a timeline when each was written, and began digging into the various political motives, the audiences each were being written for, etc.  Even pbs seems to take a stab at explaining it, they take a couple minutes each to read, is a decent refresher imho.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/mark.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/matthew.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/luke.html




Because J.S. Spong did the VERY BEST deconstruction and demythologization of those gospels that I had EVER seen. He dissolved the assumptions that I still unconsciously had assumed, and brought together a series of facts about Jewish practice and meanings that I never knew, and which had been replaced by shallow Christian overlays (Solve et Coagula!). He explained a GREAT deal of things that I had long ago merely assumed to be their meanings, but were wrong. He went far beyond the fact that the gospels had no titles, capitalization, or punctuation, and could be interpreted differently according to how one paused in a sentence. That the names attached weren't the people IN the gospels, and that the gospels were  penned by creative, literate Greek writing men, not illiterate laborers, is now something all but the most unlettered people know.

These PBS articles are very good, so thanks for posting them. Taking a supper break, and gonna read them now.


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Re: Virginity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19796281 - 04/04/14 08:25 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Give me a week and I'll reread Spong, has been a solid decade it seems now, maybe I'll glean something new digesting them again.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/

in case you didn't click The Storytellers tab, it includes write ups on John, Death & Resurrection, Gnostics & Other Heretics, & The Gospels of Thomas.... I personally find the subject matter less dry when I get different slants, someone well versed in comparative literature, a historian, a philospher, etc.


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    #19798189 - 04/05/14 06:27 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.




Uh, so fucking what's wrong with that?


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    #19798272 - 04/05/14 07:23 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.




Uh, so fucking what's wrong with that?




Nothing wrong with sex I think, although I would necessarily fuck people for the sake of simply fucking them myself.


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    #19798544 - 04/05/14 09:13 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.




Uh, so fucking what's wrong with that?





Different standards for different levels of Enlightenment.  Seeking physical sensation is very low, characteristic of the animal kingdom.

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    #19798645 - 04/05/14 10:02 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.




Uh, so fucking what's wrong with that?





Different standards for different levels of Enlightenment.  Seeking physical sensation is very low, characteristic of the animal kingdom.

Beings reincarnate or go to Paradise depending on what they align with...




I would love to see how you go around living without seeking physical sensations. :rofl: :braindamage:


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    #19799826 - 04/05/14 03:42 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Mr.Al said:
sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.




Uh, so fucking what's wrong with that?





Different standards for different levels of Enlightenment.  Seeking physical sensation is very low, characteristic of the animal kingdom.

Beings reincarnate or go to Paradise depending on what they align with...




I think you misunderstand this low-high continuum. The sexual motive of the Root (Anal-Genital) Center operates on that level. That's its function. The motives of the 'higher' centers also function according to their natures, simultaneously. The struggle you seem to face has to do with your relatively free will. At the level of the Root Center I definitely would want to have sex with other women, that's natural, the natural function of the Root Center for me, a heterosexual male. Jumping up to the Heart Center, there operates the motives of compassion and empathy, which in turn I have enshrined as the basis for my morality and ethics. The motive of compassion trumps the motive to have sex with another woman, because I know that it will hurt my spouse's feelings and damage her trust in my fidelity to her. Sexual monogamy is foundational in our marriage, so I choose to abide by the ethic, and in so doing, I transcend my sexual desire rather than identify myself with that motive.

If I have sex with another woman, I violate my own ethics, the shared ethic based on compassion, and permit a 'lower,' indeed, less conscious, more instinctual, more deterministic force to over-rule my inner moral compass. In this situation, my behavior would be admittedly 'low,' and it would have consequences on many different levels in my life, and my wife's. But, if we were in an 'open marriage,' or if I were single, as long as there was no power motive (Navel Center) involved, no 'force,' (rape) no manipulation (hence Manipura chakra), no emotional or financial blackmail involved, a sexual act could be the vehicle for mutual pleasure, but because we are not merely mammals, it could become the vehicle for psychosexual, psychosocial, psychospiritual, or even psychocosmic unions between us, with all centers (chakras) operating together, joining us like closing a zipper. This is why the Adi Buddha in Vajrayana Buddhism is depicted as a Yab-Yum of Samantabhdra and Samantabhadri joined in sexual congress. It is a symbol of the highest Reality which includes but transcends the Pleasure Principle of the Root Center. This image symbolizes Cosmic Wisdom and Compassion as One.




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    #19802706 - 04/06/14 08:52 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.




Uh, so fucking what's wrong with that?





Different standards for different levels of Enlightenment.  Seeking physical sensation is very low, characteristic of the animal kingdom.

Beings reincarnate or go to Paradise depending on what they align with...




That's bullshit! I call bluff on your level of enlightenment! :wink:


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    #19803712 - 04/06/14 01:47 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Mr.Al said:
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sex is merely entertainment instead of the physical expression of love.




Uh, so fucking what's wrong with that?





Different standards for different levels of Enlightenment.  Seeking physical sensation is very low, characteristic of the animal kingdom.

Beings reincarnate or go to Paradise depending on what they align with...




That's bullshit! I call bluff on your level of enlightenment! :wink:




I have to agree. Neither I would seek for simply "physical sensations" for only an instinctual reason, however what first should be thaught is acceptance and humility.


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    #19804383 - 04/06/14 04:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Treating someone like an object is categorically low.  Some look at someone they think they want to be with and think about what they might "feel like".

Others think about someone that they might want to be with and they contemplate the uniqueness of their mind-nature.

See how the two are beyond worlds apart...


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    #19806654 - 04/07/14 02:05 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

just cause they're different, doesn't make the first one lower.


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    #19806783 - 04/07/14 03:28 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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just cause they're different, doesn't make the first one lower.




There's your enlightenment.


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    #19807138 - 04/07/14 08:27 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I was never ashamed but I would not go as far as to say I was parading it around.  I lost my virginity shortly after turning 19, yes I was a late bloomer but I had in my head that in a town full of full blown assholes and not very "hippish" people one could say I would find that girl that I enjoyed her company.  I wanted someone who I knew I could love and feel comfortable with her and had a lot in common.  I wanted my 1st time to be special more than anything quite honestly (a lot of guys don't want that but I really did) I had more than dozens of opportunity, I am a great looking guy but I just wanted that special girl.

Well one night I was at a buddy's house and we decided to have a decent sized psychedelic party, the rules where at this party you had to do some type of drug that made you trip.  About 20 people showed up people were on LSD, Ketamine and alcohol and pot of course.  So I dropped 4 strong tabs and smoked a blunt and killed an entire 12 pack of blue moons which those bad boys are strong.  So I by every definition of the word is fucked up.  One of the girls that showed up to the party started talking to me about my festival bracelets and she had gone to the same one and we were talking and I was being all cocky and talking philosophically because I was totally obliterated.  Well at this point I could not stand anymore as the last 2 beers were starting to hit me and I told my buddy I'm going to crash in the guest room.  Well no joke this girl that I was talking to for a little bit walks into the room after me and jumps in bed, and begins to kiss me.  Now I don't think I was raped but I sure as fuck would not have done this if I was sober but we've hung out after the fact and she is cool.  She started to blow me and then she rode me, I saw body parts mix match with other body parts and just it was weird lol.  She rode me for a really long time because I could not finish and she kept going until I did.  We then cuddled for the whole night.

I then one month later found the girlfriend of my dreams and we have been together for a while.  I will be 20 next month and am glad that I had my first condom-less sex with my current girlfriend because sex with a condom was so lackluster that I tell my girlfriend all the time that I gave her my real skin to skin virginity.  But so yeah that's the story of how I lost my virginity on 4 tabs of acid, blunts, and a 12 pack.


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    #19874369 - 04/20/14 03:10 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

It's like not thinking about food unless it's right in front of you.  Recognizing things for what they are instead of seeking stimuli.

Meditation is when you focus and nothing interferes with your awareness.


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    #19874379 - 04/20/14 03:13 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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just cause they're different, doesn't make the first one lower.




There's your enlightenment.





That is correct, different levels of Enlightenment see the same things differently.

That is why Shakyamuni said "no Dharma is definitative"; it is because the perspectives change as your levels in Enlightenment increase.

If someone does not change their views at all it may be because they are stuck, this is Character related because Character determines levels in Enlightenment.


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    #19875584 - 04/20/14 08:12 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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i read Genesis yesterday, blazing and listening to some real Indian vibes... and (lo) there was a lot of going unto in chicks, i must say.





In the Ancient Days, the women wanted to hear what you thought about Proverbs and may even ask you about your personal Parables and what they mean before you even have a cup of tea.  They only wanted to share sexuality with someone that they would love all their life and even into the afterlife.

Nowadays they speak of flings and hooking up, utterly disgraceful meaningless behavioral patterns.




Ancient days where? It was only like that in places like England and America, because Puritan society completely forbid sexual pleasure, even among married couples. Other ancient societies, such as ancient Egypt and India and Japan, were very open about sex.


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    #19923906 - 04/30/14 08:18 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say it is meaningful when the relationship lasts beyond the mortal coil.


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just cause they're different, doesn't make the first one lower.




There's your enlightenment.





That is correct, different levels of Enlightenment see the same things differently.

That is why Shakyamuni said "no Dharma is definitative"; it is because the perspectives change as your levels in Enlightenment increase.

If someone does not change their views at all it may be because they are stuck, this is Character related because Character determines levels in Enlightenment.




Wut is level in enlightenment, bro?

plz explain. R u saying dat u can haz high level? o i c. wut lvl r u? im a lvl 13 wizard. I put on my wizard hat and robe.... wut do u have on?


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    #20309826 - 07/22/14 06:37 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The attention to our boring biological drives in the social arena petrifies me.

I'm sure the same social and sexual irregularities have presented in the past.

My own view is a depression on our lack of development when sex and the paraphernalia still dictate our thoughts.

Theirs many great minds and people expanding the boundaries, but I think the overwhelming stupidity and ignorance is catastrophic.


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    #20309890 - 07/22/14 07:01 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd say it is meaningful when the relationship lasts beyond the mortal coil.




Aye to that..

You should be with someone if you would sacrifice your sexuality for them... i think.. i wouldnt judge anyone spending their life as an orgy either though, each to their own..


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    #20309907 - 07/22/14 07:10 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The emotions involved in establishing a bond for biological reasons will most likely only remain present to protect and nurture the female.

Then the guilt trip will start for both sexes when the chemical drives fade due to the ignorance or our culture.


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    #20309921 - 07/22/14 07:14 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It would be interesting if we could synthesize and manufacture the complete chemical makeup of this process.

Chemicals like MDA are fascinating.


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    #28600945 - 12/28/23 02:05 PM (30 days, 23 hours ago)

No masturbation is important for males to attract females.  Playfully joke on them to playfully joke on them.:sporedance::sporedance:

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    #28602296 - 12/29/23 01:18 PM (30 days, 38 minutes ago)

Your willingness to carry on with conversations from 10 years ago is inspirational. A sort of dialectical edging, if you will.

What ouroboric revolutions will the next decade bring?



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    #28602454 - 12/29/23 04:46 PM (29 days, 21 hours ago)

I never understood the taboo around old posts. whats the deal with that? To people fetishize virgin posts or something?


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    #28602532 - 12/29/23 06:11 PM (29 days, 19 hours ago)

old ones are great to see again.

I am a demon for old photos too.


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    #28602671 - 12/29/23 07:39 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago)

I read lots of old posts. Im passenger in the car for 6 hours.
Im reading lol


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    #28602682 - 12/29/23 07:45 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago)

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old ones are great to see again.

I am a demon for old photos too.




Maybe the closest we get to time travel

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I read lots of old posts. Im passenger in the car for 6 hours.
Im reading lol




and you still manage a thousand posts a year

any favorite oldies you'd like to share?


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    #28602693 - 12/29/23 07:54 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago)

I talk a lot lol
Which is also type too I guess.
I took a deep dive on shrooms when taking medication. I read a lot of them.


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    #28602713 - 12/29/23 08:23 PM (29 days, 17 hours ago)

I like the anonymous ones
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27239829/page/16/fpart/2/vc/1
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    #28602730 - 12/29/23 08:43 PM (29 days, 17 hours ago)

cause of the honesty?


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    #28602733 - 12/29/23 08:52 PM (29 days, 17 hours ago)

Yes


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    #28602743 - 12/29/23 09:18 PM (29 days, 16 hours ago)

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No masturbation is important for males to attract females.  Playfully joke on them to playfully joke on them.:sporedance::sporedance:

Don't forget to recycle.




Exuding confidence without desperation sure, accepting whatever outcome without prejudice has led to warming and sensual experiences alike. Kind of like an open invitation without an expectation y'know. If there's chemistry there's chemistry I'd say.


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    #28602862 - 12/30/23 01:40 AM (29 days, 12 hours ago)

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I never understood the taboo around old posts. whats the deal with that? To people fetishize virgin posts or something?




I find a fresh, curious post inviting. Looking back through my scattered history here, I have tended to engage more with the first couple of pages.

Something obsessively thorough in me makes stepping into ongoing conversations an effortful endeavour, as I want to account for what has been said to ensure I am contributing something distinct.

Else I see an opportunity for silliness and seize it when the mood strikes.

22 years in and I still feel like a shroomery virgin as far as inserting myself goes. Coincidentally, that was the age for me. :strokebeard:


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Re: Virginity [Re: DisoRDeR] * 1
    #28602962 - 12/30/23 05:37 AM (29 days, 8 hours ago)

what about underpants and socks?
I declare those threads dirty even if only worn 2 days.
socks are like swiffers, they find hidden dust bunnies; and underpants are too close to sphincters to retain a fresh allure beyond 48 hours.

old ideas however are fresh when they return in a new context.


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Re: Virginity [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28603077 - 12/30/23 08:41 AM (29 days, 5 hours ago)

These thoughts brought to you from deep in the night between connecting flights, at the end of a trip, with an overstretched wardrobe. Bathing in a sea of recycled sphincters got me through the later days. Butt luckily I saved the freshest for last.

I think I have a comfort zone around being able to hold most of the situation in mind--the rock a heady kid clings to through the churn of emergence. I see that capacity fading with time, and its filling-in-the-blanks (and shooting them) nature revealed. Recent professional endeavours have tested its limits. When many participants chime in from all directions, there is a sort of overwhelm and I lose the plot. I have left many parties to go for a walk.

At some point a withdrawal to the immediate arising and responsiveness is necessary--appreciating things as they are, having arrived by a path that fades not far off, heading somewhere fantastic and frought.

In old threads I think we are often reacting to the origin, title, and most recent culminations, sometimes responding to entities that are no longer present. This forum is pretty great for novel iteration. I sometimes wander the halls of Political Discussion and the rhetorical wheel-spinning over there turns up murky waters that I'm not motivated to wade in.

Regarding virginity and notions of purity, at some point it's all a wash. What training has your exposure brought to your nexus of behaviour? How do we fit together, and is it fun, and what of trust and future?


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    #28610263 - 01/05/24 09:04 AM (23 days, 4 hours ago)

My case:

Phimosis: The word is from the Greek φίμωσις phimōsis meaning "muzzling".

Phimosis is defined as the inability to retract the skin (foreskin or prepuce) covering the head (glans) of the penis. Phimosis may appear as a tight ring or “rubber band” of foreskin around the tip of the penis, preventing full retraction.

Treatments: Circumcision

'This is my rule in all the churches. Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; but obeying the commandments of God is everything. Let each of you remain in the condition in which you were called.' (1 Cor. 7:17b-20)

“If we feel our way into the human secrets of the sick person, the madness also reveals its system, and we recognize in the mental illness merely an exceptional reaction to emotional problems which are not strange to us."
― Carl Gustav Jung, The Psychogenesis of Mental Disease

"The story about how I got circumcised: stealing two beer. A scrawny kid whose foreskin wouldn't go back, who couldn't put his penis in a woman if he wanted to, yet, I was treated like a great criminal. "How could you do this to us!!!?"  I had to explain why a sixteen year old would want to sneak off and have a beer with a girl he had known for a few years.  I explained the best I could.  They decided the solution was to give me a circumcision.  Yeah that helped a lot.  Now you've unleashed snoop dog ....  bonking away every chance he gets like an idiot.  Stupidity/hypocrisy is the greatest disease of man.  Leave your teenagers alone. Let the teenagers sneak a beer or two.  It's so pathetic watching adults get morally indignant over petty things.  Focus on real injustices and stop making a mountain over a mole hill, you creepy ol' baby boomers." (CD)

We've got too many public educators educating junior high school kids about anal sex, masturbation and harems.  When a 17 year old knows about anal sex, masturbation and harems, but neither him nor his lady knows why his foreskin won't go back....  how can you do sex education without teaching the how and why of circumcision?  Instead they rush ahead and teach junior high-school kids how to be anti-social and depraved.  Unbelievably pathetic and disgusting how public schools churn out lying cheating promiscuous whores.

Joseph Campbell Circumcision:




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Re: Virginity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #28611331 - 01/06/24 07:03 AM (22 days, 6 hours ago)

I totally remember MushroomTrip! She was a cool chick. I miss her :sadyes:

Im gonna answer her OP like shes still around, cause I be retro-simipin':

I would say I was kinda proud of it. I romanticized my virginity. My love fantasy was to lose my virginity to a nice virgin woman I was in love with and share that memory with her forever. That was my romantic dream of a young teen and I held it dear to my heart.

Well, that virgin fantasy didn't go so well. I quickly realized my shy virgin teen self was not going to meet a beautiful, friendly virgin girl. Most girls my age at the time had already lost their virginity anyway and being a shy teen boy does not attract very many ladies. It was a lost cause, a far-fetched fantasy, an unrealistic sex wish.

There was some instances where I almost lost my virginity and sorta felt proud of it, as it "Im glad she wasnt my first. I need to be in love first". I was a bit of a demisexual back then, but strangely a Sappho-sexual with everything else (such as taking her top off, fingering and making-out). Paradoxical, I know. I was proud of my self-control to not go all the way until I met the right girl. But looking back, I wish it had been one of those teen girls that I almost had sex with. I lost my virginity at age 24 to my now Ex. The sex was not great and honestly kinda gross. No where near the fantasy I had in my mind of how I wanted it to go. At 24, I just wanted to "get it over with" so i just choose her as "The One". But it should have been one of those teen girls back in high school. I held back for too long, for too many years. Big regrets there.....:nonono:

There was a bit of a "pride" in self-control I guess, because of the whole "waiting for my virgin love". But overall in retrospect, the only thing I can be proud of is not making a baby in my teen years. I just know that I would have had unprotected sex and probably would have gotten a girl pregnant. That would have seriously changed the direction of my life if that happened and Im pretty happy without children. Makes me wonder what life would have been like if I had a kid thou. The what-ifs of Life....


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