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monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino 2nd flush (or how GLC Bite my a$$) 1
#19610054 - 02/23/14 08:53 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Using this method from elasticaltiger http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19370404
I have 4 tubs set up. 66qt from walmart. I used coir and 2 qt verm bucket tek from damion5050 with 7 qt. Of spawn. I have the same air pump as ET(elasticaltiger) and will be setting up one tube per tub as elasticaltiger said he had better results that way. I have one T joint and will hook up one air tube to two holes on one tub and see if there is a difference with 2 seperate intakes vs. one. The other two tubes will be doing the old fashion polyfill. Strains are A+ albino and B+ and maybe some golden teachers. Due to moving I labeled the jars by #'s but not strains. So it'll be interesting as i have the right jars togeter but not strains. Plan is to hook up air pumps without any other holes then the imperfect lid and let run 24/7 When ready.
Sub 2 qt verm 1 brick coir from petco Bucket tek
Spawn 7 qt rye berrys These jars where injected with Grain Liquid Culture Pics below are of two GLC jars i have which, i think ill be moving away from.
Notes I forgot to soak the grains before mixing in with the sub ( DOH!) I was really looking forward to doing that.
Fingers Crossed for no contaim issues! Gonna start prepairing my sub like frank does as well if i get some contaim issues this round. Seems like i always get lucky and get a contaim so i need to start being better about being clean. Below are some varius pictures i thought i would share to show what im using. You can see some of my lids, THe air pump, the tyvek i use for the lids, and of course my cat. Had to share 


Update 2/28/2014
 3/3/2014 day 9! All seems going well. Got a slight worry about the other 3 tubs not being as far as the 4th is. I'm assuming the reason is that the other 3 have more of a thicker cover of the coir/verm mix from the bucket tek from when I spawned the tubs. That or its just different Strains sense i have 3 i started with and then lost track of which jars are which strains when i moved. But i like it. Makes it like a surprise I'm not going to case either. Unless I'm convinced otherwise;) Looks like ill be able to move the one thats almost to 100% here to fruiting soon. Sorry for the pics not being labeled by tub. Ill start doing that soon.

3/5/2014 Worked for 6 hours last night. Pasteurized and got another tub put together. I'm excited cause its the first I've pasteurized the sub and soaked the spawn so it will hopefully turn out well. I also spent a lot of time making new lids and pressure cooked once too. Made for a long evening. I used 1 brick coir 2 qts verm and 5qts water. I usually use 4 so seeing 5 will also be interesting. I don't know the strain either.

3/7/2014 Ok here are some pics of the auto tub I put the air pump to. There is also a pic of the 3rd tub that has not contaimed yet. There is also a pic of the 5th tub I think 4 days into spawning. 1. This tub might have trich like the other two it resembled. 2. Inside of tub 5. This one had grain dunk, and i pasturized the spawn like Frank. Looks way good so far for day 3 3. Outside of the 5th tub and the 4th with the air pump 4. Inside of tub 4 thats 1 day into fruiting.

3/8 Knots anyone?

3/10 Think I have a contaim.never had this before . Maybe cobweb? Do these jars have a contaim if they don't finish 100% ?

3/11/2014

3/12/2014 Both tubs so far look like the albino right now. Which leads me to believe then that the b+ and the gt I also started with are the contaims. Happy to get me some fruits ! The tub with the green fuzz has not moved or changed...

3/13/2014 Trich I see you! 3rd tub is at least gonna hopefully see 1 flush. Tub 4 is lookin prime

3/16

3/17 New new

3/18 About 5 days after shaking when they sat at about 98%

3/19/2-14 Harvesting today 

3/25 Second flush

Also i put together 4 tubs last night and have two mini tubs on the way. My agar is cooling off and will start some cultures when i get home today:) Pretty excited 
3/27/2014 Just got my second flush. Will update with weight later tonight.
So far the mini's are looking good(day 3 of fruiting) I have 5 tubs that i just spawned to. 4 are like faht's tubs ( mix, save 2 qts for frost layer, then a casing layer) Just for the hell of it sense they will probably contaim anyways. Each jar i put in i made sure to smell twice or even 3 times while pouring out so maybe  So if i get anything it will be a plus. If not, i expected it.
2 ounces dry
Gonna end this thread after these 5 tubs and start a new one following my Agar and iso's to fruiting. 
(In progress) Thngs that im changing during my grow. -Soak spawn for 30 minutes. Litterally soaks up that water. -going SDF's for lid GE instead of envalope tyvek. Easier to apply, 6 to 8 jars per disk if cut right, Better at keeping contaims out -Keep record and track of everything very well. Dont slack on this. -GLC and LC suck when the master gets contaiminated. slow compaired to G2G -cut trash bag, get rid of tape.
Things im learning -Bacteria and contamination are hard to see in jars sometimes, Shaking and watching recovery helps weed out the bad. -i hate LC - use to boil the rye berrys for 10 minutes at a roaring boil. This was horrible. I now watch for the first bubbles, you can tell usually when the grain turns a golden brown. Thats when i start straining it and in most cases taking it off earlier is better then later. - Using a shoe on your hand to break up the jars is nice.
Edited by alex591955 (03/28/14 01:42 PM)
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: alex591955]
#19610073 - 02/23/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pics of everything please.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: exzile]
#19610087 - 02/23/14 09:02 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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24/7 air pump is going to dry everything out, be ready to mist often.
You'll get better flushes with a properly dialed in mono as well, that electrical crap is for new cultivators who don't get that simpler is better.
If you are not drilling holes like a mono, don't call it one. It is just a tub.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19610124 - 02/23/14 09:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Come on frank, give it a chance. I love to watch people experiment. Unfortunately this thread shows up every few years and people try it for a while, then give up to the normal mono tub style. I am totally interested in seeing more results like elastictiger's. I think we call it a monotub because there is only one tub. Not based on the number of holes in it.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: Sockadin]
#19610146 - 02/23/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Give it a chance? I just gave him advice, saying he will need to mist often. I also wished him luck.
As for nomenclature on the shroomery, 99.9% of the time monotub means large holes drilled in it, at least 4 holes. Ohmatic coined the term if I'm not mistaken.
I am asking the OP to clarify because a no-hole tub + air pump is not a monotub, it is a no-hole tub with a pump or just a tub with a pump.
I'm not sure if/why you're on my back here, but get off of it please.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (02/23/14 09:19 PM)
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19613961 - 02/24/14 08:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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its a pump tub. Much negative, very jealous, why sad?
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: exzile]
#19614004 - 02/24/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's a pump tub, poor results, very cost ineffective, why bother?
no one's going to be jelly, because EVEN IF OP manages to dial it in it's still more expensive and at that point it would be working on par with other designs. OP doesn't realize it's going to be more hands on, less automated, and more maintenance than a passive design fruiting chamber.

Not angry, not mad, not jelly, but trying to think of the OPs best interest 
I understand people have different goals, but the only goal a shitty FC is for is the people that want to waist their own time and money in a hobby. If you want low yields and hands on work you can do it that way too, but I didn't think that's what OP wanted. OP can correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: bodhisatta]
#19614088 - 02/24/14 08:54 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I disagree, air pumps can be just as effective and fully automated. It just takes effort to do it right.
I don't open my tubs except to pick the fruits. And mine uses an air pump.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: fourleaf033]
#19614106 - 02/24/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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fourleaf033 said: I disagree, air pumps can be just as effective and fully automated. It just takes effort to do it right.
I don't open my tubs except to pick the fruits. And mine uses an air pump.
Congratulations, post a TEK, and some of your results from that setup, and see if other people can replicate it.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: bodhisatta]
#19615432 - 02/25/14 05:53 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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hands on, less automated, and more maintenance than a passive design fruiting chamber.
Alot of times this will help people learn the conditions needed for cubes....
But afterwards they will realize that the simpler designs work better for less money, but its still a learning process.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19616919 - 02/25/14 03:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry I just saw the link to this. I'm excited to see if this method. can be recreated.
This is a monotub. A single tub. A MONO-TUB. If it bothers someone to call this a monotub then please come up with a better name for it. 'air tub' 'pump tub'. I would prefer 'PTFC' I guess but I doubt anyone is going to adopt that.
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bodhisatta said: it's a pump tub, poor results, very cost ineffective, why bother?
no one's going to be jelly, because EVEN IF OP manages to dial it in it's still more expensive and at that point it would be working on par with other designs. OP doesn't realize it's going to be more hands on, less automated, and more maintenance than a passive design fruiting chamber.

Not angry, not mad, not jelly, but trying to think of the OPs best interest 
I understand people have different goals, but the only goal a shitty FC is for is the people that want to waist their own time and money in a hobby. If you want low yields and hands on work you can do it that way too, but I didn't think that's what OP wanted. OP can correct me if I'm wrong though.
That tub in the original PTFC thread is on the way to yield close to a pound (though I'll concede that it may not actually make that mark.) Is that bad yield for a multispore monotub? The shrooms produced were thick and meaty with a wet to dry ratio closer to 80% than to %90.
Would your traditional monotub work with a blanket draped over it in a closet? That became part of the reason I kept going with the pump. It could potentially yield good results as a stealth grow. All that would need to be added is a blue LED (or five) on top of the tub under the blanket and bam. Closet grow.
Seriously now. Could your the traditional design work right in a closed closet?
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alex591955 said: Using this method from elasticaltiger http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19370404
I have 4 tubs set up. 66qt from walmart. I used coir and 2 qt verm. with 7 qt. Of spawn. I have the same air pump and will be setting up one tube per tub as elasticaltiger said he had better results that way. I have one T joint and will hook up one air tube to two holes and see if there is a difference. I don't know if I will do the old fashion way with the other two tubs yet. Strains are A+ albino and B+ and maybe some golden teachers. Due to moving I labeled the jars by #'s but not strains. So it'll be interesting. Ill post pics soon. Plan is to hook up air pumps without any other holes then the imperfect lid and let run 24/7 When ready.
Alex. Whatever you do. Don't risk your grow for the sake of trying to prove the method. If you notice the sub drying out like frank says then mist it or disconnect one of the tubes. I'm very excited to see what your experience is but for all I know, there could be some variable in my house that makes this more successful.
Frank. How is the air coming from the pump any 'dryer' than air coming through polyfill? Do you wet your polyfill?
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FrankHorrigan said: 24/7 air pump is going to dry everything out, be ready to mist often.
You'll get better flushes with a properly dialed in mono as well, that electrical crap is for new cultivators who don't get that simpler is better.

Still don't get how the air from the pump is dryer than the air coming through polyfill. Is there a magic elf inside the fluff that adds humidity to the water or do you think the pump puts in TOO MUCH air flow causing the sub to dry? I didn't have to mist often and I live in a low humidity area (I shock my cats every time I pet them or when I roll over in bed)
Towards the end in fact this method was pretty much neglect tek and it has (and still continues as of this day) to yield mushrooms.
How is this not 'simple' ?
I drill two tiny holes. Instead of mucking around with polyfill I just pop the hoses in and then plug in the pump. Mist once a day if needed. Still 'simpler' than pf tek at least.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19616987 - 02/25/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmm FOR SCIENCE!
Maybe a hardy shroomerite with a good isolate/monoculture will do a side by side test
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19617037 - 02/25/14 03:26 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Still don't get how the air from the pump is dryer than the air coming through polyfill.
It isn't, the polyfill traps humidity in the chamber though so it doesn't push all the RH out.
Your tub did fine, for sure. However, it's still not technically a monotub, it's an air pump tub, that was my original point.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19617266 - 02/25/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have 4 tubs so two will do be in the experiment. I'm using one tube per tub sense ET said one held better humidity and moisture. One tube for one tub is going to have a splitter so that there will be two air intake ports on one tub. Ill make sure to watch the moisture level and will make the proper adjustments that will be needed.
I like the idea of this set and forget sense I would like to be able to stack them in a closet sense I don't have a room to share and would like girls in my bed and friends over haha:)
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: alex591955]
#19617385 - 02/25/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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My main fruiting chamber is a plastic tub with water in the bottom and a platic platform with holes drilled in it for the cake, pan, whatever I am growing in this time around to set on.With four aquarium air pumps that are pumping in the water at all times. Any pictures of cultivated mushrooms that I have posted so far have been in this fruiting chamber. For humidity, I used to use just air stones which worked well and I got a successful grow out of that but they got clogged so they were removed. At the current time I am using one of those ultrasonic fogger things. Working wonderfully for me so far.
I like this design because there are so many variables, I can very finely adjust it for what a particular mushroom species might need. I wanted something that would produce enormous amounts of free air exchange so I could do things like Reishi and get decent conks. I am not after massive yields so if this is hindering my yields I am not really concerned. I just want to grow mushrooms. Really I guess it is more of an experimental design so I can get a feel for what each mushroom needs so that in the future if I do step up to something on a larger scale it will be easier to give the mushrooms what they need.
I read about similar designs and their flaws, I built it anyway. It works for me and provides me which exactly the device I was after. It works for me, others results may vary. You want something you can set and forget, then stick with your average monotub. I do have a little mini monotub that I use from time to time that works wonders. I don't really think that adding an air pump to a monotub will really improve it, they seem to work well as designed and without humidification I think it will dry out the substrate. If you really want to do it find a way to humidify the incoming air but I don't think you will be able to get enough humidity. But I do think that air pumps can be implemented into this hobby if applied correctly.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: Mrcloudy]
#19617430 - 02/25/14 04:45 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds like something like this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6967150/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/5 I think i might try this next. I like the idea of a bigger tub. ( yea more eggs in one basket) and i like the humidifier.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: alex591955]
#19621002 - 02/26/14 01:12 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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These dudes bashing this thread must not have seen the one with the successful 7 flush log. Whoch is where I found your log from. I am doing the same thing. These people these days with negative comments should just keep to themselves.
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: exzile]
#19621132 - 02/26/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't even see any negetive comments, some suggestions and discussion but other then that
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: cronicr]
#19621159 - 02/26/14 01:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
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Re: monotub pump auto air test. a+ albino and b+ [Re: cronicr]
#19621196 - 02/26/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i don't even see any negetive comments, some suggestions and discussion but other then that
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