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WhiteyAL
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Orbeez to maintain humidity
#19609238 - 02/23/14 05:01 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry to create a new topic but I scoured the search bar and only found questions relating to them for substrate(which logically-duh-sn't sound good) I'm about to birth for the first time a few cakes I've left alone beyond my current experiment. have been setting up my fc. With no luck finding perlite or the like I actually came across this children's toy you call "orbeez" which start as tiny pellets and when submerged in water grow 200x their original size full of water... Is this suitable for my FC, do you think they'll work as well as the perlite to maintain my humidity? I birthed one a week ago but have had trouble keeping humidity in the fc due to no source of humidity. I dunked it for 10 hrs and set it in my tub and cut the vent holes. I've since bought a fish tank air pump and now these orbeez aswell. I was planning to grow them in a bowl and then lead the air tube into the bottom and then place a mason jar lid on top with my cake resting on that so as it won't be in direct contact with the tiny gel balls... Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks... -1st tymer
Edited by WhiteyAL (02/23/14 05:25 PM)
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19609345 - 02/23/14 05:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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sounds like it's better at holding moisture then giving it off,perlite works becvause it's porous surface has lots of tiny crevaces for water to collect and good suface area for air to pass and give off humidity
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WhiteyAL
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19609430 - 02/23/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, for the lack of a better choice, I've gone ahead and set it up with them, will update how it goes...
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19609512 - 02/23/14 06:23 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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At the very least they're colorful! I wouldn't expect much off this one, but good luck!
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19609569 - 02/23/14 06:44 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you mist the walls of your fc down often this will help alot just try not to get your cakes. Also look into bubble wrap or wax paper sounds like people are having pretty good luck doing this. I think it was timethyl who did a thread about it faht was the guy who came up with the idea! Good luck
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y would you try not to get the cakes? thats the most important thing to mist
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: cronicr]
#19609619 - 02/23/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just meant mist your cakes as usual and mist the walls often. I have my cakes wrapped in clear plastic and they pin like crazy.
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Quote:
PNWmushroomexpert said: mist the walls often
Why? They are not gonna grow.
Mist the cakes, not the plastic.
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: PussyFart]
#19609634 - 02/23/14 07:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know as well as I do if you dont have perilite and your using obeeze to humidify your fc misting the walls helps humidity as well as misting the cakes. Wrap them in wp/bw they will pin.
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lol i guess.....but humidity should not be his main concern.
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Edited by PussyFart (02/23/14 07:21 PM)
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: PussyFart]
#19609729 - 02/23/14 07:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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True story, got to give him credit tho I dont think I ever could have thought of using obeeze thats using the ol nogin there man.
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19609739 - 02/23/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, so trying to be as scientific as I can, my problem As I imagine many people's problems during the winter has been humidity levels... Since that original post with the pic I've since modified it using scientific reasoning. Heat rises so I've installed a make shift grate suspended above two half pint mason jars full of these things. I ran the air tubes into the jars bottom and directly beneath the cake on the grate. Beyond that I read they dehydrate with heat so I put a space heater outside the box by about 2feet and on to about 78. Now, with the air tubes running in the fc, it's giving the constant O2 so I decided to prevent the humidity from escaping, I should close the holes previously cut...(bad decision?) in lieu of that, however I thought maybe if I were to open the lowest ones given that CO2 is heavier than O2, logic will dictate that it will push the CO2 out of the bottom holes and with the cake Higher, it will reside in a created atmosphere of constantly rising O2 and hopefully humidity... Agian, I'll keep you posted on the results.
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19609754 - 02/23/14 07:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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way over thinking this, just mist it when the surface dries up and fan after
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19609759 - 02/23/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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WhiteyAL said: however I thought maybe if I were to open the lowest ones given that CO2 is heavier than O2, logic will dictate that it will push the CO2 out of the bottom holes and with the cake Higher, it will reside in a created atmosphere of constantly rising O2 and hopefully humidity... Agian, I'll keep you posted on the results.
Co2 does not sink, nor does it settle out of air.
It will not drain out the bottom of a fruiting chamber, it will exit thru the holes in the top, riding the heat and humidity currents which we both know rise.
Constant fresh air will cause constant evaporation, which will cause the humidity to rise....this is why the shotgun fruiting chamber is so popular, and this is why we always fan out the chamber after we mist the cakes.....to promote evaporation.
It functions off the natural air currents in a room, rather than some ghetto setup with pumps, fans, and humidifiers.
Build a SGFC and call it a day....no sense in trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19618993 - 02/25/14 10:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update: Orbeez.... Amazing! They take on water to capacity and then as soon as theyre removed from a water source immediately start releasing water into the air at a slow steady rate. All you need to do is add a bit of water to them after 3 or 4 days but if you're misting regularly it likely not even necessary. It's a no mess system an when your grow is done, they shrivel back to tiny beads you can collect and save for next time in a sandwhich baggy. Thy cost me 10$ and will never need to be replaced.... I highly advise anyone to invest in them... You're welcome. You'll find them in children's toys section of Walmart. I pitched the last cake as I found the mold I was concerned about was beginning to come back again... (It was a tiny spot when it started to colonize and was covered by the myc. But upon closer inspection I saw it was just under the surface. I didn't actually pitch it but I broke it up and put it into a pot of water and simmered it for awhile and have some tea I'm thinking of drinking whilst the other jars continue to incubate. I sacrificed it to trial and error my system. Either way, ORBEEZ. Look it up.
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#19619070 - 02/25/14 11:16 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Might work good as an additive with the perlite too. Might have to give em a try at some point.
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Cool idea, I didn't think that would actually work, but I'm impressed! Maybe it would be a nice addition to my greenhouse.
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19619737 - 02/26/14 07:06 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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orbeez
You've got to be kidding me. $39 for what you can get for free in the front yard using rocks/gravel. 
We use perlite because it's easy to get and works. The OP just hasn't made an effort to find it.
Humidity is not the main concern for growing mushrooms. Noobs obsess over humidity when they should be obsessing over fresh air exchange. RR
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#27250024 - 03/12/21 02:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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(I'm noob so take everything I say with that in mind....)
I live in a dry climate and was wondering if Orbeez could be used as a low tech way to maintain humidity in a mono tub. Even if you were to keep a bunch of them in a separate container inside the tub, they'd be releasing moisture into the air regularly and relative humidity would be higher in the tub than outside of it. I'm concerned that I'll mist them too much or too little.
I've also wondered if they could be mixed into your grain spawn (while small and dehydrated) and then added to grain spawn to pick up excess moisture rather than drying them. My first attempt resulted in 6 of 6 contaminated jars. I've wondered if you could do this instead of drying the grains on a screen (which maybe exposes them to additional contamination) prior to putting them in the pressure cooker.
I've also wondered if just keeping a container of water inside the FC would evaporate enough in a dry climate to improve the humidity of the FC....
Thoughts?
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: soyjohngalt]
#27250048 - 03/12/21 03:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't need humidity you need surface evaporation which leads to humidity. Hygrometers and humidifiers are totally useless and cause more harm than good in monotubs. I suggest learning how to maintain proper surface conditions and forget about humidity, it's irrelevant.
If all your jars contaminated you did something wrong. It had nothing to do with air drying, we all do that. It would be a better idea to start your own thread instead of necroing this thread about a bad idea from 2013. Tell us more about your grow in it and maybe we can help diagnose and give some tips / point you in the right direction.
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: WhiteyAL]
#27453238 - 09/02/21 06:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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FYI hydrated Orbeez survive a pc cycle as well. I've been toying with mixing them into the grain spawn. I've tried mixing in dried Orbeez to absorb excess water in jars as well as hydrated Orbeez to provide additional H20.
So far I haven't had any mind-blowing results with them, but I'm also a noobie. I figure this info might be useful to someone here.
Also "Orbeez" is a name brand. You can find generics by searching "water beads".
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Re: Orbeez to maintain humidity [Re: soyjohngalt]
#27453243 - 09/02/21 06:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What problem are you trying to solve with this kooky idea that doesn't already have a cheaper, tested, reliable solution already?
Sounds like a noob idea to avoid accountability for learning how to maintain proper surface conditions.
Sounds like extra steps.
Sounds like a lot more ways for things to go wrong.
Have you tried a thick pseudo-casing layer at spawn time? Mist heavily once immediately after spawning (can be slightly over field capacity).
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