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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19607828 - 02/23/14 09:26 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

it might be because of temp. swings. when cooling down, the glass in the upper part cools ffaster, thus condensating there. with the stronger temp. swings of the winter i also have that the top part of the jar grows faster/fluffyer.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: forrest]
    #19608030 - 02/23/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

My jars I have currently aren't even that white
But they don't look wet either


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: nksfo5]
    #19608669 - 02/23/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

yea thats exactly what they look like.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19609367 - 02/23/14 05:44 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

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Do you know if aloha cooks the mycelium before drying like you're saying?  When reading the ingredients on other mycelium pills - they often say freeze dried mycelium grown on some sort of grain..  It's my understanding that without cooking the mycelium your body doesn't readily digest/absorb the beneficial compounds (similar to hot water extracts), right?  Or can you just grow out the mycelium on grain, let it colonize the shit out of it, dry and then powder?




I believe they cook/dry it for like 12hrs @ 200f, IIRC.  From my understanding the medicinals in mycelium are pretty easily digestible, it's mainly the fruit bodies that need the cooking to break them down. 

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forrester, so my maitaki on rye also looks spotty. i wanna actually say its bacteria, but there is no "wet spot".  its just many of the grains pressed against the glass are not looking white, like ur first WBR jar, but it is colonizing normally (not stalling).  is that to be expected of maitaki on a less than ideal grain?  its my first jar of maitaki so i wasn't sure what to expect, another jar has been inoculated, but too little growth to tell if its the same "spotty" look.




If yours looks like the jar pictured, it appears normal to me, although I'm not much of an expert on maitake as I still haven't successfully fruited it. 

I didn't mean to imply that rye or WBS are not optimal grains for growing maitake, they should work fine if using as spawn.  Just not the best for making powdered mycelium it would seem.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19609381 - 02/23/14 05:47 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

"I believe they cook/dry it for like 12hrs @ 200f, IIRC.  From my understanding the medicinals in mycelium are pretty easily digestible, it's mainly the fruit bodies that need the cooking to break them down."

AAhhh i see, i see.. dehydrated using heat, gotcha.  So now do you know anything about "freeze drying?"


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19609397 - 02/23/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

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AAhhh i see, i see.. dehydrated using heat, gotcha.  So now do you know anything about "freeze drying?"




I sure don't!  Seems like a good way to do it but I imagine you need some serious equipment :shrug:


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19609411 - 02/23/14 05:56 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

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I believe they cook/dry it for like 12hrs @ 200f, IIRC.  From my understanding the medicinals in mycelium are pretty easily digestible, it's mainly the fruit bodies that need the cooking to break them down. 




All mycelia possess chitin in their cell walls which humans can't really break down well, so it all need to be processed.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19609462 - 02/23/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

by processed you mean cooked? or any kind of processing.... as in just drying and powdering could be considered processing.. just sayin


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19611693 - 02/24/14 10:33 AM (10 years, 5 hours ago)

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by processed you mean cooked? or any kind of processing.... as in just drying and powdering could be considered processing.. just sayin




Yeah cooking is probably the easiest method for most folks. Any process which will break down the cell walls will suffice though.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19611740 - 02/24/14 10:48 AM (10 years, 5 hours ago)

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All mycelia possess chitin in their cell walls which humans can't really break down well, so it all need to be processed.




That's not entirely true.  Mycelium is only something like 17% chitin and if ground well is perfectly digestible.  Ask Amanita Virosa about this one, we've had this discussion several times :wink:

I can also find the book I read it in... Ah, here it was this one.

This topic is frequently debated and I used to think what you do, but after more and more reading I'm learning otherwise...


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19611755 - 02/24/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 5 hours ago)

Nice, Chaga, really the king of medicinals??  I always considered Reishi to be...i suppose he calls it the queen of medicinals, interesting.  :shrug:


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19611781 - 02/24/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 5 hours ago)

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Nice, Chaga, really the king of medicinals??  I always considered Reishi to be...i suppose he calls it the queen of medicinals, interesting.  :shrug:




I always thought so too.  I got that Chaga book thinking I'd already know everything in it but he actually has some amazing info in there and I learned quite a few things.  Chaga really is great stuff!


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19611867 - 02/24/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 4 hours ago)

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All mycelia possess chitin in their cell walls which humans can't really break down well, so it all need to be processed.




That's not entirely true.  Mycelium is only something like 17% chitin and if ground well is perfectly digestible.  Ask Amanita Virosa about this one, we've had this discussion several times :wink:





Yeah grinding works well cause it breaks down the cell walls. Of course the cell wall doesn't make up the entirety of cells, as glucans bind the chitin as well as mannoproteins. Either way if you eat raw mushrooms or mycelia you still would get way less nutritional benefits than from either finely ground mushrooms, or cooked, or freeze dried. There are a myriad of ways to break down cell walls.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19614607 - 02/24/14 10:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah grinding works well cause it breaks down the cell walls. Of course the cell wall doesn't make up the entirety of cells, as glucans bind the chitin as well as mannoproteins. Either way if you eat raw mushrooms or mycelia you still would get way less nutritional benefits than from either finely ground mushrooms, or cooked, or freeze dried. There are a myriad of ways to break down cell walls.




Very true!  I figure the drying process itself (most use some heat anyway) combined with grinding to a fine powder is good enough for mycelium. 
With fruit bodies, esp. tougher ones like Ganoderma, I always make sure and use a lot of heat as well (ie a long boil).


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19615805 - 02/25/14 09:35 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

So I finally got a hold of some organic milo!  Gonna put some reishi on it soon - as well as maitake and maybe enoki.  Have you done lions mane on grains for encapsulating?  I'm curious how that'd work what with it always fruits before full colonization.

How much does a quart jar of spawn end up weighing after it's all dried and ground up?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19616156 - 02/25/14 11:33 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I'm planning to just open the jar and harvest the fruits that will have grown on top of the grain multiple times.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: forrest]
    #19618971 - 02/25/14 10:31 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm planning to just open the jar and harvest the fruits that will have grown on top of the grain multiple times.




Sounds like the best way, it's always good to have a mix of mycelium and fruit bodies anyway so you get the best of both worlds there.  Let me know if it ends up digesting the grains much, it doesn't seem like it would.

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Have you done lions mane on grains for encapsulating?  I'm curious how that'd work what with it always fruits before full colonization.

How much does a quart jar of spawn end up weighing after it's all dried and ground up?




I haven't done lion's mane yet, but the fruits won't be a problem just include them in the mix.  My worry is whether or not it will digest the grain, with how thin and weak it is.  Maybe someone else has tried it!

I've never weighed my harvest, but the CS4 one I just did I got about 3/4 pint of ground mycelium powder from (2) 3/4 full quart jars of quinoa/millet.  I might be able to weigh it later if I remember...


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