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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1961511 - 09/28/03 11:06 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Marijuana is worse for you than asparatame.


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1961523 - 09/28/03 11:13 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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its not pudgy people have to worry about with this shit
Pilots dont drink it , WHY

cause they know about it , this stuff is the worst thing out there , people can talk about eating or not eating meat




have proof?

I love how that apartame.com does no documented scientific or medical expertise. Also that girl is smiling when that picture of her "tumor" was taken. You know, I could buy a domain myself and fill it with propaganda and whatnot. It is the internet.


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: daussaulit]
    #1961830 - 09/29/03 03:19 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

"Marijuana is worse for you than asparatame. "

have you lost your fucking mind!!!!!!!!!!!

"I love how that apartame.com does no documented scientific or medical expertise."

first thats not true , second

just type aspartame and read away

I can belive you guys are "trying" so hard to act like this shit is safe!

cannabis is worse????
i doubt it !


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1961834 - 09/29/03 03:21 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Formaldehyde Poisoning from Aspartame


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(case histories of aspartame poisoning, scientific docs, statements from experts, healthier sweeteners)


In 1997 there was an increase in aspartame users reporting severe toxicity reactions and damage such as seizures, eye damage and vision loss, confusion, severe migraines, tremors, depression, anxiety attacks, insomnia, etc. In the same years, Ralph Walton, MD, Chairman, The Center for Behavioral Medicine showed that the only studies which didn't find problems with aspartame where those funded by the manufacturer (Monsanto). Given the agreement amongst independent scientists about the toxicity of aspartame, the only question was whether the formaldehyde exposure from aspartame caused the toxicity. That question has now been largely answered because of research in the late 1990s.

The following facts shown by recent scientific research:


Aspartame (nutrasweet) breaks down into methanol (wood alcohol).


Methanol quickly converts to formadehyde in the body.


Formaldehyde causes gradual and eventually severe damage to the neurological system, immune system and causes permanent genetic damage at extremely low doses.


Methanol from alcoholic beverages and from fruit and juices does not convert to formaldehyde and cause damage because there are protective chemicals in these traditionally ingested beverages.


The most recent independent research in Europe demonstrates that ingestion of small amounts of aspartame leads to the accumulation of significant levels of formaldehyde (bound to protein) in organs (liver, kidneys, brain) and tissues.


Excitotoxic amino acids such as the one which is immediately released from aspartame likely increases the damage caused by the formaldehyde.

Readers are urged to followup by printing and reading the extensive and heavily-referenced discussion related to aspartame and methanol/formaldehyde poisoning (suitable for scientists and laypersons) at: http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/. This document details the research showing formaldehyde toxicity from aspartame and demonstrates the techniques the manufacturer used to help hide these facts. Finally, an updated discussion of formaldehyde dosage from aspartame has been added to answer questions raised by what appears to be a manufacturer public relations campaign. Please read this document only after reading the first methanol/formaldehyde document linked to above


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1961847 - 09/29/03 03:24 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Other Hazards
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The following is a selection of other hazards from long-term use of
aspartame. Once these effects are seen clinically, the internal
damage has often been done. Removing aspartame from the diet may
clear up some of the symptoms but the damage from the breakdown
products such as methanol may be permanent.

Seizures and convulsions, arthritic and joint pain, chronic fatigue,
depression, memory loss, vision damage and loss, tingling in the
extremities, slurring of speech, irritability, severe anxiety
attacks, menstrual problems, blood sugar control problems, symptoms
similar to multiple sclerosis, worsening of fibromyalgia, parkinson's
tremors, etc., etc.




Internet PR
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It appears that the PR firms for the chemical company "selling"
aspartame (i.e., slowing poisoning people), Monsanto Chemical Company
are desparate to rescue their junky product despite the growing
evidence of its dangers. On the Internet, there are many nonsensical
and scientifically indefensible posts by persons who are only
interested in confusing the issue and creating havoc.

For example, one person recently claimed that orange juice releases
400 times more methanol than aspartame upon ingestion. The
scientific facts are that aspartame has much more methanol than
orange juice. (Many store-bought orange juices have 10-30 times less
methanol.) In addition, the methanol from aspartame is converted to
the extremely toxic formaldehyde and formic acid in the body, while
protective factors in the orange juice may prevent this conversion to
formaldehyde and formic acid. An avid aspartame consumer will be
getting the equivalent amount of methanol as a person working
part-time and inhaling methanol fumes in a methanol-laden chemical
plant. Other aspartame breakdown products may potentiate the
methanol/formaldehyde toxicity.

Another standard PR technique is the following:

1. Hire people to join Internet groups and become a "regular"
poster. At least one report of recruitment has been published
recently. Such a recruited individual can have almost any email
address from a company name to a university email address.

2. When honest, legitimate concerns about a toxic product are
posted, respond with a large number of angry, "knee-jerk"
responses attempting to paint the persons posting as "radicals"
when they are simply one of many, many concerned citizens.
These large numbers of postings will flood the group(s) and get
the legitimate participants angry.

3. There may be many postings about people who have had "no
problems" with the toxic product even though, in the case of
aspartame it has been on the market and used in significant amounts
for such a short period of time. There may be postings trying
to claim that their freedoms are being taken away even though
by allowing the sale such a toxic product when there are many
healthier alternatives, the FDA is clearly violating their own
safety statutes. Most of these posts are probably legitimate,
but there is not way to know for certain.

4. Some people and possibly some PR persons will post
demanding that the "concerned citizens" (although they will not
use that term) stop posting to the group. The reality almost
always is that there were relatively few posts by concerned
citizens and endless "knee-jerk" posts.

5. Finally, please be aware that posts from the International Food
Information Council (IFIC), the PR organization for junk food
companies (in the guise of an independent "nutrition" organization)
and the American Dietetic Association (which received $75,000 from
Monsanto and an offer to help write their "fact" sheets) often put
inaccurate PR on the Internet.

This is simply a modification for the Internet of very common unethical
PR techniques that are sometimes applied by companies trying to
rescue the image of a toxic product like aspartame. A new, extremely
well-researched and well-documented book about these techniques (and
a "must-read") is:

Toxic Sludge is Good For You! (Lies, Damn Lies and the
Public Relations Industry)
by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton
Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine (USA), c1995
ISBN 1-56751-061-2 or ISBN 1-56751-060-4 (pbk.)

This book will help you understand what tricks to expect from
Monsanto as scientists and the general population recognizes the
dangers of aspartame. It is a real eye-opener and I highly
recommend it.


Alternatives
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Please do not switch from one dangerous artificial sweetener
(aspartame) to another (e.g., acesulfame-k). I have a resource
list of "healthier" sweeteners and sources on my web page. Please
use these more natural, time-tested sweeteners to promote long-term
health as opposed to destroying it.







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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1961915 - 09/29/03 04:15 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Stevia causes constipation in Mung beans.


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1961953 - 09/29/03 04:37 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1962209 - 09/29/03 08:05 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

you sound like a fucking drug warrior.

let people eat nutrasweet if they want. it's no business of yours.


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    #1962276 - 09/29/03 08:38 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

www.aspartame.com ? What a bunch of retarded hysteria. To line up the inventer of a sweetener with adolf hitler and screaming stuff like molecular auschwitz. What a fucking retarded site.
On a site with a high degree of hysteria like that no objectivity can ever be found. KKK mentality.

Now some facts: Methanol/Formaldehyde toxicity in the aspartame story. HOG-WASH. Utter, utter bullshit of the unresearched kind. Does methanol convert into formaldehyde? Yup. Is formaldehyde carcinogenic? Yup. Does Aspartame cleave off methanol which forms formaldehyde making Aspartame a carcinogen? Yup.

But it is a matter of DEGREE. A whole bunch of metabolic processes give rise to methanol/formaldehyde/formic acid. Currently there are hundreds of milligrams of methanol present or processed in your body. Cleaved off of things like l-Methionine, N- methyl groups etc etc etc. Does this give people cancer? Sure! But the question is HOW MUCH THE BALANCE IS THROWN OFF-WHACK and this corresponds directly to the amounts introduced. When it comes to the hundreds of miligrams of methanol your body puts up with each day (mostly self-liberated by metabolism) the few mgs of off Aspartame are hardly going to matter. They are of course going to give rise to some extra cases of cancer, but these will be few and far between.

Nitrate turns into nitrite. Nitrite can give you cancer. Saliva is full of nitrate and thus it kills. So when your boyfriend asks "Spit or swallow?" you'd better give that some serious thought :eek:


Let me tell you the Potassium story. There is this stuff called potassium out there, which is basically a metal you can cut with a knife and which explodes when thrown into water. It forms all sorts of salts that fortunately do not explode. But what is the case: a substantial amount of our Potassium is the isotope Potassium 40. (So it HAS an extra neutron in its core.. geez we can't all be perfect!)

Potassium 40 happens to be RADIOACTIVE, meaning every once in a while a K40 atom sez "pop" and explodes as violently as an atom bomb. It liberates x-rays and hard gamma radiation (I can see right through you!) and kicks out that unwanted neutron like I do a Jehova's Witness. If you consider that neutron gets a kick that's over three million times more powerful than TNT can kick it you can have some idea of the atomic forces and loathing of Jehova's Witnesses involved here. :evil:

That neutron cannonball and the x-rays and the gamma shoot right through you. Should one hit a strand of your DNA this gets blasted apart. This cell likely dies, but one in so many cells that're hit the wrong way become the onset of cancer.

So: potassium contains radioactive potassium 40 (0.012% to get anal) which gives us cancer because of door-to-door religion or something to that effect. Good then, lets get rid of that nasty stuff (anything with "ass" in it can't be good) and we're in the clear, right?

Er.. no. Our bodies need a couple of grams of Potassium for all sorts of uplifting functions, like being able to pee for instance. We get our fix of potassium by eating veggies. (...) uh-huh: vegetarians DO want you to eat more radioactives, chernobyl indeed!

Aside from that potassium is everywhere! The stone and concrete of your house surround and bombard you with radioactivity. If you take one ton (1.000kg) of soil there's about 3.1 grams of pure, radioactive Potassium 40 in there (1/8 ounce, or about the weight of a lump of sugar, since this WAS all about sweeteners) I never heard Greenpeace complain about.

There is a but, however. If you take ten K-40 atoms and watch them for some time you'll find that it takes about one-and-a-quarter billion years for five of them to pop. This does mean that RIGHT NOW there is more K-40 nuclear explosive force blasting on the good earth than all nukes that have ever exploded put together, but because it's all diluted throughout the planet it really isn't a very big deal for Life in general. People DO die from Potassium 40 radioactivity which is a bad thing, but its just a fraction of all cancers that're out there.


Well.. before we completely lose track of things: There are hundreds of milligrams of methanol in your body right now, with a good day's eating you ingest thousands of milligrams of phenylalanine and aspartic acid and in the breakdown of proteins hundreds of milligrams of the phenylalanine-aspartic acid couple are formed before they are desintegrated.
 
And if you see all this in the light of a dozen mgs of this-and a dozen of that you ingest with your daily ration of Aspartame it all strikes you as blown as much out of proportion as that hysterical website's makeup. Molecular Auschwitz indeed! Would anyone call an apple a nuclear Heroshima because it in fact does contain and emit radioactivity? It's nothing short of mocking the victims of the worst warcrimes known to man.

The makers of that website need to get a life.
I lost my mother too (july 4) which was quite devastating. I lost her to a surgical intervention gone sour. Do I put up a website with a picture of dr. mengele next to that of the surgeon and make clever banners like "DOCTORS KILL"? Like the guy(s) of www.aspartame.com I am in mourning but I do not throw rationality overboard and go screaming nazi-this-nazi-that.

The molecule of aspartame has a reasonably safe "feel" metabolically, especially in the light of the structures of a lot of other sweeteners and the pounds upon pounds of refined white sugar they replace. (talk about a killer there! Refined white sugar is the # 1 killer according to a lot of studies... Heart disease, diabetes, obesity, crumbling teeth and nagging candy-crazed children)
As to the aspartame complaints list: I think that there are about 5 Shroomery members out there that currently do not suffer one or more of these ailments.

Methanol? Trivial. Phenylalanine? Trivial. Aspartic Acid? Trivial. Aspartic Phenylalanine? Trivial. There is one thing that may be harmful and that is the WHOLE molecule of Aspartame. This needs be studied and it has been studied for years. It is unlikely to be another Thalidomide, Butter Yellow or DES.

You can safely assume either its held (relatively) harmless by objective studies or the word is not in yet, as America isn't the Land of the Free but the Home of the Multi-Million-Dollar-Lawsuit.

Unlike with Potassium we actually have a choice to avoid Aspartame, just like we can avoid smoking or drinking. Its just that if we say No to Aspartame but Yes to "sweet" we are opening the doors to white sugar diabetes, lactose intolerance, the cyclamate/saccharin cancer debate and hosts of other stuff we aren't even aware of yet.

Want something sweet? Pick your poison!





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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1962509 - 09/29/03 11:08 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

you post all this information, but you don't provide any links.

Quote:

Aspartame is made from amino acids, the building blocks of protein. It is about 200 times sweeter than sugar. It is the most popular sugar substitute. It is used in more than 150 different types of products. Aspartame is available as a packaged sweetener called Equal or is added to foods under the name NutraSweet. The FDA approved aspartame in 1981. Since that time, there have been many claims that aspartame use is linked with cancer and other diseases. In fact, this is one of the most studied sweeteners of all times. The FDA has conducted 26 different studies! But the FDA stands by its approval of this substance as "safe for human consumption."

All foods or drinks that contain aspartame must have a warning that states that the product contains phenylalanine. This is for people that have a rare genetic order called phenylketonuria, also known as PKU. All babies are tested for this shortly after birth. People with PKU cannot break down phenylalanine in the body, which can be toxic. So people who have PKU must be careful about eating foods that contain aspartame.



http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1940.html


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: daussaulit]
    #1962758 - 09/29/03 01:01 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for that, I didn't have a clue what you were all talking about. Is it only used in the US?


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Edame]
    #1962765 - 09/29/03 01:03 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

what do they put in diet soda over there?


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    #1962796 - 09/29/03 01:15 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I don't drink carbonated drinks so I wasn't too sure, but I found a Guardian article from '99 that seems to indicate that Diet Coke has it. I decided to take a look for the King's College study into aspartame that was mentioned in the article, and found this. If I actually drank that swill, I don't think I'd be too worried.


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Edame]
    #1962818 - 09/29/03 01:24 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, it's mostly just in soda, which i don't really drink anyway either.

i don't think this stuff's all that bad for you... it just doesn't taste right.


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    #1962829 - 09/29/03 01:29 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Splenda is the best tasting artificial sweetner I've ever had.

It doesn't have any aftertaste that I can detect. You could make pixie stix out of it.


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1963066 - 09/29/03 02:50 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I dont care , its not safe

"In summary, taken together with data from the literature, it is concluded that Aspartame and the breakdown products studied is not carcinogenic.
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well what about the other things it does !????


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1963075 - 09/29/03 02:54 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

you want a link huh

well how about this one


http://www.dorway.com/doctors.html


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1963155 - 09/29/03 03:19 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I heard from a science proffessor that aspartame breaks down into its components at like 80 degrees, so by the time its in your stomach its already been converted into formaldehyde and rubbing alcohol.


I dont know if thats true or not, but the reason that I dont drink it is because it tastes like shit.


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1963300 - 09/29/03 04:01 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

How come my hot coffee still tastes sweet? Maybe that's 80 degrees celsius?


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Re: your brain on ASPARTAME [Re: Autonomous]
    #1963413 - 09/29/03 04:45 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

how come shit, heated up still tastes like shit

its shit


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