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mindgnome said:
Not quite. One of the DEA agents that was involved with the Picard(sp?) lsd lab actually ingested hundreds of thousands of hits. He shaved his neck before handling all of the lsd and the fumes went through his freshly opened pores. He had ingested some ridiculous quantity of lsd. He was rushed to the hospital and started having seizures and convulsions. He actually did recover quite well but he cannot read because it impaired his focus so much. It was part of a video I watched. Sorry for no source I can't seem to find it. So while you say that it didn't harm people, that is sort of relative. It might not have killed them, but it permanently effected their brain function, I guarantee that. Also my aunt who was a doctor in the 70's saw a lot of people go crazy from doing too much. I am not trying to sound like a anti-psychedelics person but acid is definitely the riskiest traditional psychedelic you can ingest. Research psychedelics are worse though because the ld50 is so much lower on rc's.

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My brother's uncle's best friend's second mother took too much acid one time, and saw an orange.. ever since then he's been stuck in a corner and will scream in terror whenever someone comes near him and say not to peel him and he thinks everyone is trying to juice him and turn him into orange juice.. He's never been the same since.

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The CIA even experimented with bathing people in LSD to try and make supersoldiers. They went crazy. Because they were in a laboratory being probed by scientists and CIA.. being bathed by LSD.. you'd go crazy too. Set and setting.

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He actually did recover quite well but he cannot read because it impaired his focus so much.

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no he said they had to give him valium because he was convulsing and he claimed he would have died if he hadn't received it.

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Lol because he's a medical doctor.

No he accidentally dosed a lot of acid and was a noob with a weak mind and was having a panic attack and thought he was dying. Happens a lot to noobs that take too much. Valium did not save his life.

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Take for instance, mescaline which has a ld50 of about 1200mg/kg and compare that to 2c-e which has a ld50 of 14mg/kg.

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From what I understand, LD50s for psychedelic drugs are highly questionable. Consider the following two posts.

Thanks, Shroomism. And lol.

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LD-50's for animals mean nothing when talking about LSD.
As my professor Dr. David Nichols(www.heffter.org.) said they are completly worthless. The neurological differences between different animal species and humans makes testing LSD on animals unreliable. A mouse can consume a amount of LSD that will kill an elephant. Also it seems that some of these studies were done giving the LSD by IV. By giving LSD IV you then have to calculate what that amount is in terms of an oral dosage because taking 5mg. by injection is vastly different than 5mg. oraly in bioavailability.

As Dr. Hoffman says we just don't know the LD-50 of LSD in humans.
I don't see how we ever will. The one person to die from shooting LSD IV'd 320,000 mcg.* ,this is the equivelent of many grams orally. His case can't be considered though becuase he was a junkie and possibly had other drugs in his system.

Also the case about the elephant. The elephant had recieved many different drugs over its life as a test animal. Including a dose of amphetamine some hours before the LSD dose and a massive dose of thorazine after the LSD dose.
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Please provide one credible source that shows an overdose from mescaline(not another phenethylamine, but mescaline). Your not going to.Indians have eaten close to one hundred peyote buttons with no overdoses(or many bad effects). You might want to read the study by John Halpern MD the Harvard researcher that just did a long study on the saftey of peyote in the indian community. Indians eat large doses of mescaline containing cactus and live very long lives with no health problems that can be contributed to mescaline(in fact they show a lower rate of alcoholism if they are regular users) I have yet to see any information that would provid evidence that mescaline was any more dangerous than LSD or psilocybin.

Though you can overdose on anything including water I havn't seen any info that would show mescaline to be more dangerous. I think your stomach would explode from to much cactus before you could consume enough too "overdose" on mescaline.

Like I said if you have any valid data to prove otherwise I would be very interested in seeing it.  
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08/30/03, chinacat72, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1866049#1866049

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mindgnome said:
I guess that is a good point to some extent, but he also was having seizures?

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I guess that is a good point to some extent, but he also was having seizures?

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Yes and I provided documentation of other people who had seizures, but what's common to both these incidents is that they weren't even expecting to trip on LSD at all! So, it wouldn't be farfetched to say that their seizures and other symptoms were specifically catalyzed by panicking when they started to feel the effects -- a direct result of freaking out on such a high dose.

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Shroomism said:
I have dosed 70+ hits of silver in a single dose, my mind is fine.
I know people who have done thumbprints, they are fine.

Psilocybin is not Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.

Just because you refuse to believe it does not mean it does not exist.

The CIA even experimented with bathing people in LSD to try and make supersoldiers. They went crazy. Because they were in a laboratory being probed by scientists and CIA.. being bathed in LSD.. you'd go crazy too. Set and setting.

LSD does not damage your DNA or whatever it is you think

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