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"There was only one true Christian..."
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"...and we crucified him"--Nietzche

Discuss.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: silversoul7]
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We did?


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: silversoul7]
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That's why everyone should have their own, inner 'religion'.

I am an Adamist... my body is my temple, my brain is my direct connection to God, my drugs are my sacraments, my shit and piss are my reflections and shedded skin...

Spirituality may still be dogmatic but it's generally a fuck of a lot less dogmatic than religion.  :thumbup: 


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Adamist]
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from a Nietzchean perspective, Christ is a good example of the pointlessness of action. His life proves that even the most altruistic action can be corrupted and therefore defeat its origional purpose.

Christ came to earth and told people to do two things:
a) Love God
b) Be nice to eachother

And for this, they nailed him to a tree. Then, 2 centuries later, they rewrote everything he ever said and used it as justification for war, slavery, social manipulation, and empire.

I guess one person can make a difference

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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Adamist]
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Er... Christ was NOT the only Christian,he was/is THE CHRIST.Mary Magdalene was probably his only true desciple.The word cristian is corrupted and fouled by centuries of egoistic revision.I am a follower of Rabbi Yeshua Ben Joseph and a believer in the spiritual value of many great men.
christians are dogmatics and only narrowly interpret the words of THE CHRIST when they can be skewed to their agenda/dogma.

"Know ye not I come to set you free?"

that's the quote you rarely hear from a 'christian" or in a church unless there is a codicile attached to reserve some control and power to the church.
WR:rasta:


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: whiterasta]
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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: whiterasta]
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Yeeah we umm... pretty much slaugtered as violently as possible anyone that was ever of any real importance in our history. None of them ever seem to die of old age.... hmmmm... makes you think uh......

And Enter. I belive he can make that assumtion by simply looking up the general defenition of Christianity. If each Christian belives something diffrent, are they really all Christians?


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: World Spirit]
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You can't lump all Christians into one bundle and burn 'em, whiterasta. That's a generalization based out of fear and bitterness, perhaps even hatred for the effects of Christianity in your personal life.

Each Christian is an individual.
 


My point is about the mantle you choose. Saying "I am a christian" has so many interpretations as to be meaningless.Are you a christian who prompted the crusades? are you a christian who sodomizes the alter boys? Are you a christian who believes in the ultimate divinity of the white man?
Now I am not accusing you of any of these things just setting up my point,which is to be careful which lables you choose, as my interpretation of "christianity" is that it is a convienient lable under which many wrongs are commited.Christianity usually requires a preist,pastor,or reverend to interface and interpret "God's will"
and who knows what the agenda of a man is? I follow the words attributed to Rabbi Yeshua Ben Joseph and recieve guidance from the words of many other great spiritual men.I have NO predjudice against those who don the "lable" christian, I just believe that many who do, do not accept the negative baggage which also follows the "lable"
And trust me Enter I have no desire to harm or "burn" anyone regardless of their spiritual claims.I have just stated my opinions on the spirituality of christianity.Too many people trying on the same ill fitting hat,Are they ALL christians?If I believe Christ approved of pedophilia am I "christian"? If I believe he wants a 10% cut of my material wealth from the top, am I a christian?(Remember the money changers?)If I lead my nation to a war based upon my lies am I christian? I can tell you I have met "christians" who held all of these beliefs.
So now Enter I ask you are ALL of these various groups using the "lable" christian?
Study the first followers of Yeshua and see if the path may have strayed too far to keep using His name to promote a purely Earthly agenda.I am not a "christian" as that would force me to choose one of too many definitions for that "lable" I follow Yeshua, I folow HIS words, Not Pauls or any other man,I base my conduct upon the words directly attributed to the Rabbi Yeshua ben Joseph.With NO iterpreter as he is quite clear on what he expects of us, and it has little to do with the deeds of "christianity" today.
Again I do not predjudice anyones belief(unless they try to stuff it down my throat)I just point out that "christian" means far too many diferent things to be a meaningful "lable".
WR:rasta:
 


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: whiterasta]
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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: whiterasta]
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whiterasta said:
I am not a "christian" as that would force me to choose one of too many definitions for that "lable" I follow Yeshua, I folow HIS words, Not Pauls or any other man,I base my conduct upon the words directly attributed to the Rabbi Yeshua ben Joseph.With NO iterpreter as he is quite clear on what he expects of us, and it has little to do with the deeds of "christianity" today.   


It must suck to live your entire life based on the words and teachings of one man, right? I mean, come on, are you aiming to be his clone or something? :grin:

Seriously, though. There are so many connections out there that can lead to many great and insightful ideas that can be used within oneself, and only connecting yourself to the teachings of one man really cuts you off from the grandness of being your own self...
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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: World Spirit]
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Enter said:
3. For every Christian there is, a theology is born. Each human has his/her own vantage point (his/her own 'take' on reality). There is no safety or accuracy in lumping all Christians into one category. There is also no confidence that one can place in categorizing different groups of Christians. For even among demoninations there are individuals.



This is one of the greatest things you have ever said, man! :grin:

We are all individuals, finding our own truth in ideas we are presented with... everything is an idea, and if we adopt another's idea, it becomes our own idea...
Peace.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: fireworks_god]
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It must suck to live your entire life based on the words and teachings of one man, right? I mean, come on, are you aiming to be his clone or something? 


I never stated that Yeshua was my only insight I gave props to many spiritual men whose words shape my opinion.As for being his clone...I am NOT worthy as I am a sinner saved by his grace.All I can do Is try to live my life by a moral code others can respect and rely upon.Yeshua,Bhudda,and many others have helped me achieve what little success I can claim.
And Enter your response was eloquent and beautifuly wrought.I agree with each individual a new belief is born.In fact that is how I send the Jehova's Witnesses away,by simply saying "I have a deep and personal relationship with Christ as I know him"
You and I are not SO different I am just a little stickier about the lables I hang on myself.Without a doubt a persons relationship with his/her creator is deeply personal and individual and In fact does create an idividual "religion".This is in fact exactly what I have done in my life.The nick whiterasta is part and parcel to some of my influences on a spiritual level.
WR:rasta: 


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: whiterasta]
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Be careful of how you word things, then, as you said "I follow HIS words, Not Pauls or any other man" :grin:
Peace.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: fireworks_god]
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Too Right! My Bad.If this was other than a sunday morning discussion I would be more concerned about a error in haste.
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"I follow HIS words, Not Pauls or any other man"
 


Still true if one considers Yeshua more than a mere man though :wink: and I do not "follow" the words of any other.Yeshua's word is my bottom line all others are simply facilitating the execution of the will( as I percieve it) of Yeshua.
I would also state that this is MY interpretation I do not expect or demand anyone else hold my belief over their own or in any regard other than that it is simply MY belief.I encourage everyone to determine what it is they themselves believe and act upon it...too many act on others beliefs and not their own or even bother to formulate a belief system, rather they pick one from the shelf of religion and cloak themselves in it's mantle then give it no further thought.
WR:rasta: 


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: silversoul7]
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I quoted the laughing philosopher to a gal over dinner once and she reminded me that Nietzche also said that women are cows and poets liars. /shrug

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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: farfelu]
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farfelu said:
I quoted the laughing philosopher to a gal over dinner once and she reminded me that Nietzche also said that women are cows and poets liars.  /shrug


and...? :smirk:


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: silversoul7]
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lol ...and I ordered another bottle of wine and asked her about Erica Jong. :smirk:     

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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
from a Nietzchean perspective, Christ is a good example of the pointlessness of action. His life proves that even the most altruistic action can be corrupted and therefore defeat its origional purpose.

Christ came to earth and told people to do two things:
a) Love God
b) Be nice to eachother

And for this, they nailed him to a tree. Then, 2 centuries later, they rewrote everything he ever said and used it as justification for war, slavery, social manipulation, and empire.

I guess one person can make a difference

[/nihilism]



Christ came to die. He knew it was his job to die for us sinners (everybody). In John 3, while talking to Nicodemus (sp?), Jesus said, "Just as the serpent in the wilderness was lifted up, so must the Son of Man."


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Funguy]
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Funguy said:
Christ came to die.


We all came to Earth to die.
Peace.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: fireworks_god]
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We didn't crucify Jesus. Neither did we (or most of us, anyway) drop an atom bomb, free Europe from nazi control, etc, etc. What's past is in the past. Time to let it go and look for the significance of the event.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Alan Stone]
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> Christ came to earth and told people to do two things:
> a) Love God
> b) Be nice to eachother

... which is basically what the ten commandments say, if you look at them. There are five that tell how to love God, and five more that tell how to love each other.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Seuss]
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Christ came to die. He knew it was his job to die for us sinners (everybody). In John 3, while talking to Nicodemus (sp?), Jesus said, "Just as the serpent in the wilderness was lifted up, so must the Son of Man."


but what did his death accomplish?

and how many more Christs will we kill before we learn our lesson?

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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: DoctorJ]
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He came to accomplish what he knew he must do since Adam and Eve ate the fruit.  The greatest GIFT of all, the atonement for our sins.  Jesus was the ONLY Christ.  Many Christians have been slaughtered because of their beliefs, and "Christians" have slaughtered others because of their beliefs. :sad: :mad2:  You have no idea the anger I feel for what so-called "Christians" have done.  From the Spanish Inquisition to the Alabama monument.  It burns me up.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: DoctorJ]
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"how long, o lord?"
how many times must we murder the divine?
in human societies, there have been many dead & risen gods (& goddesses, ok...) - hasn't anybody read _the golden bough_ ???
i ran across a nice matrist retelling of the demeter/persephone story...
gimme that old time religion...
okay, has anybody read edgar pangborn's beautiful sci-fi cycle, the "davy" stories? oh yeah, send us a fresh message & a new messenger, and we will pervert the message & we will kill the messenger... (abraham, god's messenger, tied to the wheel & broken for our sins, in the city of nuber, in the flooded ruins of what once was new england, maybe a century or so after the spasm war & following plagues that destroyed our so-called civilization...)
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a cultural motif of deicide (and of theophagy!) can be found in cultures from across time and around the world...
a myth is as good as a smile...
and i'm sure if we go back long before these stories were written down (thus moving from myth to scripture, mmkay?), that our pre-literate ancestors over the past, what, 100,000 years or so (writing has only been happening for like less than 10,000 years...) would recognize "that old, old, story"...
(of course, when the spanish priests who accompanied the conquisidors to the new world heard the aztec tales of sacrificed gods & ritual consumption of god's fleash, they thought that maybe satan had led these people down the path to perdition by giving the indians a horrible perversion of the true christian gospel... oh well, baptize the savages & then kill them all, god will sort them out...)
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strange daze...


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Alan Stone]
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From now on, I think I'll say "i'm a follower of Christ" rather than saying "i'm a Christian". The word Christian has too many stigmas linked to it.

And any stigma will lick a good dogma...


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: catalyst777]
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I don't think it took a guy to die for us for us to be free from our sins, although we still live with the direct consequences.. I mean, I am flattered that someone sacrificed themselves for the good of everyone before and after him and all, but was it necessary? Jimi Hendrix lived in an illusion that he was Christ and was living out his life....
Peace.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Funguy]
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Funguy said:to the Alabama monument.  It burns me up. 


Why is everyone always blaming us?!?

Yea that whole thing was just gross.  Too bad you didn't get to see it first hand.

:rolleyes: 

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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: fireworks_god]
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hendrix was raised in the church and had no affinity towards being a diety. though by the time he died, he wasnt anymore christian than i am.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: automan]
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automan said:
hendrix was raised in the church and had no affinity towards being a diety. though by the time he died, he wasnt anymore christian than i am.


Heh, from the way I understand it, he was believing that he was Christ and such, and that he would be crucified...

The whole thing about him is really messed up. His manager used to work for the U.S. government (CIA or something, don't remember), and there was all sorts of inside stuff going on with the mob.. I don't have my Guitar World in this country that goes really in depth about it, but there was nevertheless some twisted stuff going on..
Peace.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Spokesman]
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If some white people talk different than other white people, are they really white? c'mon, of course Christians don't agree on their books and doctrines, but that's because it was never one religion of one God in the first place. Christianity is the eternal resting urn of the Greek, Egyptian, and Babylonian Pantheons, plus the Gnosis.
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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Pandiras_Box]
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Ah!  The resurrection! 

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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
automan said:
hendrix was raised in the church and had no affinity towards being a diety. though by the time he died, he wasnt anymore christian than i am. 


Heh, from the way I understand it, he was believing that he was Christ and such, and that he would be crucified...

The whole thing about him is really messed up. His manager used to work for the U.S. government (CIA or something, don't remember), and there was all sorts of inside stuff going on with the mob.. I don't have my Guitar World in this country that goes really in depth about it, but there was nevertheless some twisted stuff going on..
Peace. 


"Heh, from the way I understand it, he was believing that he was Christ and such, and that he would be crucified..."

He really believed this?
Sources?


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
fireworks_god said:
automan said:
hendrix was raised in the church and had no affinity towards being a diety. though by the time he died, he wasnt anymore christian than i am. 


Heh, from the way I understand it, he was believing that he was Christ and such, and that he would be crucified...

The whole thing about him is really messed up. His manager used to work for the U.S. government (CIA or something, don't remember), and there was all sorts of inside stuff going on with the mob.. I don't have my Guitar World in this country that goes really in depth about it, but there was nevertheless some twisted stuff going on..
Peace. 


"Heh, from the way I understand it, he was believing that he was Christ and such, and that he would be crucified..."

He really believed this?
Sources?


John Lennon thought he was Jesus for a time as well. Its the acid man. They reach a form of enlightenment and feel how Jesus probably felt then it gets into their head that they actually are Jesus or some profit that has been placed on the Earth. This is more common than you would think.


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Re: "There was only one true Christian..." [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
"...and we crucified him"--Nietzche

Discuss. 


Religion is sin!

True spirituality is found within yourself and not inside a book.

If you have a clear conscience and you ask yourself for the answer it will be clear and well understood.(sometimes the answer is that you don't need the answer or you will learn in time with a point in the right direction) If you search for your answers in the literal meaning of a book that was written a long time ago you find confusion and misunderstanding. When you have to translate what was written you only further confuse what is already gossip. I'm not saying that Jesus did not exist but even if he was as wonderful as we would like to believe how can you trust that the Scriptures are portraying his true message?

An easy way to control a society is to have them worship another human being. This automatically undermines the potential of every human being. They don't want any more Jesus running around. Convincing everyone that they should worship him as the one and only son of God is is how they try to ensure that we don't have to deal with anymore of the likes of him. I do not see God as a being or entity waiting to judge me when I die but I do believe in God as an all powerful and all encompassing energy source or something of the sort, of which we are all part of. We are all sons and daughters of God and we all have the potential to be a savior or Prophet. Religion segregates humanity and causes much confusion, lack of acceptance and even war.

The world would be a better place without religion.

It is a huge insult to the intelligence of humanity to suggest that we should refer to an instruction manual for life!

More to the point of this thread, there are many people who believe themselves to be Christian and I would not disagree with them even if just to avoid an unnecessary confrontation. I hope you can see from the rest of my post that I agree with the 0P. Humanity has adopted a far more efficient method of silencing the truth with censorship, imprisonment, the use of psych wards and the occasional assassination.

And we didn't crucify him, they did!... at least that's how the story goes...

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