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J. Jack Flash
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soggy bottom vs dirty mess 1
#19404105 - 01/11/14 02:21 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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listen up. new guy here with nothing to prove to the internet. just being constructive.
prepped two equivalent jars. (MS inoculation of whole brown rice prepared unorthodoxically, noc'd 12/22, forgive the text wall)
since one jar was only intended to be redundant in case of contamination, and i'm just effin around, decided to try my hand at a more or less direct comparison between grow methods.
the dirty mess: ok so, this here tin was presented to me with cookies inside.
 i ate the cookies. here also is the spawn.
i lined the tin with a trashbag i had rinsed with bleach.

i soaked much of the spawn for nearly 20 minutes.
 it looks brown because i had piled it and the pasteurized sub (70/30+ coir/verm/gyp) into the tin to get the volume right, then scooped the spawn back into the jar. what can i say, i forgot to soak before hand. it was about a 2:3 ratio. i think i got the field capacity thing right, per RR's video.
so i mixed it up in a stainless bowl and poured it into the tin. packed loosely and trimmed the bag.
 pretty as you please, suitable for gift giving.
1-14

colonization is getting close. looking forward to this.
meanwhile, the jar destined for a soggy bottom is consolidating right along side the colonizing tin. when the tin reaches 100% the jar will be cased and the two will be put into a virgin shotgun, built to spec.
questions: should the tin be covered tightly with the lid, or with foil with holes, or what? i actually made about two quarts of sub. never worked with coir before, shit's weird, man. anyway, can i hang onto it for use as sub later without repasteurizing, keep it wet, let it dry out so it doesn't mold, or what can i do with the leftover stuff? i have four other jars going, started 1/5 and this little experiment may just determine their fate.
thoughts and positive vibes appreciated.
disclosures: my first successful grow is yet to come. i am biased just slightly toward the soggy bottom approach because i have already invested in a bunch of plasticware. but whatever, my mind is open and the jars work for agar rather nicely. regardless of such bias, i think it can be said that my inexperience is a net positive for this being a more or less just comparison. biggest variable is the multispore angle, i guess.
the substrate pasteurization wasn't perfect. again, first attempt. the temp peaked at about 175f but was above 170 for only about five or seven minutes before i poured it out into a bowl, and fluffed it for a few minutes to cool it down. i then put it back into the jars, recovered and put back in the water bath. temps moved back to just below 160f and slowly dropped to 150 over the next hour. after that, i considered it good and it cooled overnight.
acknowledgements: roger rabbit, frank horrigan, et al for the dirty mess violet for the soggy bottom pastywhyte for the idea and excellent work the shroomery for being
finally, be it poetically disclaimed:
before you unleash your arrogant air or negative vibes upon this thread, feel free to ignore said thread instead.
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Edited by J. Jack Flash (01/14/14 08:18 PM)
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spacechildo
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No hole for GE?
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mushmagic
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You will want some sort of gas exchange on the tin whether you cover the top with plastic wrap with a few holes in it, cutting hole inn the tin lid or leaving the lid itself slightly ajar. Positive to the plastic wrap would be that it can receive light during colonization (light on a 12/12 schedule is beneficial during all stages; indirect during colonization and direct during fruiting).
Depending on your storage method you should be able to store the coir for a little bit till you're ready to use it. I'd store the unused jars of coir in the fridge in the meantime but i have stored them at room temp for a week with no problems, although that's not optimal.
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: soggy bottom vs dirty mess [Re: mushmagic] 1
#19404783 - 01/11/14 05:00 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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yeah, i thought gas exchange but wasn't sure. and yep, forgot about light too. right, so plastic wrap it is. thanks y'all.
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J. Jack Flash
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ok, the dirty mess is under plastic with a few holes poked in it. it's coming along nicely.
just loaded the shotgun, (heavy fucker ain't it?) and i got to thinkin...
 questions:
when fruiting time comes, should i birth the dirty mess or leave it in the tin? i feel it's a personal preference thing, but felt like asking anyway.
in any case, should the bulk be misted and/or fanned?
the soggy bottom will be cased and set right next to the dirty mess, think this matters any?
the whole setup is on a rolly cart in a tiny closet. lights inside on a timer, door closed during the day... i got neighbors. think this makes for bad fresh air exchange, or will air still circulate well enough to not stress them? the closet is opened overnight.
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J. Jack Flash
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edited op

colonization is getting close. looking forward to this.
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While it's a good idea to do a comparison, you will not be able to tell which is better in the end because you used multispore to inoculate.
MS is a crapshoot every time.
For a proper comparison you will need to use a clean isolate.
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J. Jack Flash
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oh yeah i know, only cause the community has taught me so. still, i feel like this is worth doing to demonstrate whatever difference there might be for total novices such as myself. i'm sure i'll revisit this once i get some for real isolates going, which won't be long. also, it got me to buy some coir. freaky stuff, that. the messes in my kitchen just keep gettin' weirder.
i was about to ask how you test isolates, then i remembered your 11 tubs thread. balls out.
thanks frank.
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No problem man, i agree it's not a bad idea.
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J. Jack Flash
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couple weeks later:
soggy bottom: 1/30 - 1/31 - 2/1

dirty mess: 1/30 - 1/31 - 2/1

beside themselves:

notes: the soggy bottom has many side pins. not a fan. but was easier to make. and it consolidated a while, as the bulk was colonizing. been reading a lot lately about consolidation potentially leading to greater strength. we'll see.
the dirty mess looks prettier, oddly. takes more space in the shotty, but no (i guess) side pins.
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Damn you got some nice shrooms to grow out of both and a nice cluster with huge shrooms in both. The one in the tin looks like it's a pretty fluffy mycelium growth (correct me if i'm wrong cause i can't tell 100% from the pic) but how did the one in the container with the soggy bottom look? Was it more tomentose or rhizomorphic? Just curious. Overall looks like you got some nice shrooms to chow down on. Happy trippin.
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: soggy bottom vs dirty mess [Re: 44teddyb] 1
#19507971 - 02/01/14 08:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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let's see, they were identical right up till the dirty mess was made. pretty rhizo at the leading edges. was glad to see the soggy bottom make no effort to colonize the casing. the tin, though only really looks fluffy around the edges where it meets the liner.
haven't eaten any of these yet. this thread is clearly lame, but i have to see it through, including the 'bio assay.' aka, the reason i'm here. the fruit really ain't to brag about, but they are kinda pretty. thanks for the kind words, man.
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J. Jack Flash
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best showing i've had yet, anytime, anywhere, ever.

a whopping sixty g wet.
from my perspective, i'm diggin bulk more, so far.
after clipping them, i dunked the substrate cause it felt a bit light. put it right back where i found it and am waiting to see what's up.
meanwhile, the others clipped from two days ago... the soggy bottom fruit dried a lot more quickly, so i got them weighed to about 2.75 dry. the others were not dry enough to weigh, but regardless, re: weight per unit time in fruiting conditions, dirty mess is way ahead.
i was really quite surprised that the timing to pin was so close. i mean, first visible pins appeared on the same day about two weeks into the shotty. beautiful.
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J. Jack Flash
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right. so i believe the bulk tin is spent. all told, it looks like it will have yielded 11g dry. from 3.5oz rice+.5oz rice flour. meh. strumpth was fair. 2g saturday was peachy.
soggy bottom is way behind, so far only about 4g dry, but it keeps pinning a little at a time. of course, multispore means nothing. 2g of these the prior saturday felt a lot stronger, but it's not meaningful, cause i realized only the next day i also drank a copious amount of beer all the while. severe hangover.
so anyway, i was vastly more impressed by the flush i got from the tin. so far my most successful grow. hooray small timers.
what have i learned? don't believe the hype, try everything you like and go with what works for you. or, how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.
later. jack
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good job
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