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First flush is weak
    #19564008 - 02/13/14 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I got two casings (and one more on the way), and it appears that the first flush is about wrap up as a few of my mushrooms are starting to reveal torn veils. Most of the mushrooms are really small, like an inch or so tall and a got a handful that are around 3 inches give or take. I dunno man, I can't ever get it right.

Should I just be thankful for what I got? And I'm hoping that the following flushes will be stronger, because that has been the case for me in the past. I'm just frustrated right now.

And also, am I really supposed to harvest/flush all at once? I have a bunch of small ones left (plus about a billion pins) that don't appear anywhere ready to go. And even if they are they're so small what's the point. After they dry they'll be like frigging paper clips.

Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564044 - 02/13/14 11:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not giving us much to go on... but sounds like a moisture issue or maybe genetic.

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Re: First flush is weak [Re: shaymisco]
    #19564076 - 02/13/14 11:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't usually end up picking them all at once. Usually in about 2-3 waves of picking as they all mature at different sppeds

Whenever I had small fruits on a first flush I always felt like I did not get enough water in the sub because when i soak it and do the second flush they are a lot bigger. However it is a fine line of field capacity or too much water


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: shaymisco]
    #19564093 - 02/13/14 11:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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shaymisco said:
Not giving us much to go on... but sounds like a moisture issue or maybe genetic.




My casings are 50/50 verm/peat, Ecuador strain. I FAE probably 6 to 8 times a day on average, and have been misting just once a day. I'm guessing that the lack of misting has been the issue. I guess I was so worried about overdoing it (and causing aborts) that my stupid ass under did it and now...aborts anyway :facepalm:

I'm a freaking moron.

And thanks, Liquid. I'd really hate to pull all of these at once, because there's still countless immature ones. Ugh.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564140 - 02/13/14 11:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You spawned to verm/peat?  Or is that just your casing layer? People saying casing instead of substrate seems to occur a lot.

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Re: First flush is weak [Re: shaymisco]
    #19564153 - 02/13/14 11:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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shaymisco said:
You spawned to verm/peat?  Or is that just your casing layer? People saying casing instead of substrate seems to occur a lot.




Sorry man I'm no expert, trying my best :wink:

Could you explain the difference?


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564171 - 02/13/14 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"casing" layer is a very thin(1/4 inch) layer of non-nutritive material such as peat and verm. You cannot use coco because it has nutes. You apply the casing layer right before or right after you see the first few pins. However cubensis do not benefit from a casing layer(unless it is PE)

Substrate is the mix that you spawn your colonized mycelium to.

So that would spawning to bulk substrate


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564197 - 02/13/14 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564212 - 02/13/14 11:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

both 2nd flush and 1st flush of dif genetics can setup pins and then wait their turn, try not to disturb them if you can.
You can harvest the ready fruits and leave the others to grow.  Shears makes this easier.

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Re: First flush is weak [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19564263 - 02/14/14 12:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LiquidGlass said:

Substrate is the mix that you spawn your colonized mycelium to.

So that would spawning to bulk substrate




Ahhh okay my bad. This. I spawned.


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both 2nd flush and 1st flush of dif genetics can setup pins and then wait their turn, try not to disturb them if you can.
You can harvest the ready fruits and leave the others to grow.  Shears makes this easier.




Okay thanks a bunch, bud. This is how I'll do it.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564332 - 02/14/14 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

By the way how often do you guys mist per day?


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564653 - 02/14/14 03:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Before and while it is pinning I usually only mist and fan once a day because if you have your monotub dialed in with the right amount of polyfil and fan placement then you almost do not even have to mist at all.

When the actual fruits start growing are growing still only once a day up until harvest

Frankhorrigan has a good write up on how to dial in your monotub

How to dial in your monotubs like a boss


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19564675 - 02/14/14 03:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Appreciate it LG you're the greatest


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564712 - 02/14/14 03:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



Check out my first flush. I picked all of the biggest ones, left all the small ones and this is what I got. It all fits on a single napkin in one layer.

:lolsy:
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

And then I looked at Frank Horrigan's and I just wanna cry. And yeah, the veils were actually breaking on all of those little fucks. Pathetic. I am pathetic.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564717 - 02/14/14 03:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And what's even worse about it is, those are wet and will be significantly smaller once I dry them. Once they're dry will I even get one trip out of those?

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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564721 - 02/14/14 03:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That is enough for a few trips for sure, definitely seen a lot worse. What variety?


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19564723 - 02/14/14 03:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That is enough for a few trips for sure, definitely seen a lot worse. What variety?




Ecuador


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz] * 1
    #19564724 - 02/14/14 03:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ur learning man, its not pathetic at all!  u got fruits, and many do not, despite many attempts.  u live and learn.  ur next grow will be better, and the grow after that will be even better.  do not give up.  its a journey.  ur working with a living organism, not a rulebook.  u will succeed no doubt if u keep trying, analyzing possible mishaps, fixing them, and comparing notes.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19564746 - 02/14/14 03:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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ur learning man, its not pathetic at all!  u got fruits, and many do not, despite many attempts.  u live and learn.  ur next grow will be better, and the grow after that will be even better.  do not give up.  its a journey.  ur working with a living organism, not a rulebook.  u will succeed no doubt if u keep trying, analyzing possible mishaps, fixing them, and comparing notes.




I appreciate the encouraging words, bud. It means a lot. You're right I should be thankful for what I got...and I'll hold out hope for improvement in the second flush.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Nifflerz]
    #19564765 - 02/14/14 04:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the first grow u have where everything clicks is the best.  and makes all the grows before it well worth it.  better to fail first and keep going, than have beginners luck and find that u are lost with a couple failed attempts after a few successful ones, u know?


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