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Mushroom food? Macro &Micro
    #19555473 - 02/12/14 01:01 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Hello shroomery users and viewer's, im starting my first grow soon and i have a question or two. I dont want to sound like a noob or ask a question that has been ask alot, but i went through the post and no one has ans werd whats on my mind..

What do mushroom eat, love, need, etc as nutrients. Do they feed off carbon? Iron? Magnesium? N/P/K?????!! Some one must know this I've looked online, though the shroomey,no answers so far..

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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: Growbig]
    #19555662 - 02/12/14 02:31 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Um... pretty much any of the substrates mentioned in any tek will work as a food.

Cubes seem to prefer manure/straw/grain/etc... based foods.

I know I'm not getting real technical here... but pretty much anything that anyone is using in any tek to grow mushrooms on this forum counts as food.


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: funton]
    #19556100 - 02/12/14 06:00 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Mycelium(not mushrooms) feeds off decaying or decayed organic matter.  'Feed' them compost, manure, sawdust, etc., depending on species.
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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: Growbig]
    #19556300 - 02/12/14 07:55 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

psilocybe species mycelium for the most part like cellulosic material, but there are other things they will eat aswell, since many substrates will colonize with many other materials than cellulose. now if I could get a yae or nae from someone more experienced, that would be some reassurance for you if i'm right or wrong.


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: supernewfie]
    #19556367 - 02/12/14 08:30 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

complex carbon containing molecules, carbohydrates starches fiber cellulose etc...


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19556620 - 02/12/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Complex carbon? Cellulose? I will ask my teacher about these things.what does cellulose come from,  where may i come across it naturally or organically? I hope the answers find me before my syringe gets here. Bodihsatta thank u, you've started me out on the right track, i think. Lol (:. Ima keep you all posted, my teacher will know somthing..


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: Growbig]
    #19556641 - 02/12/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

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Complex carbon? Cellulose? I will ask my teacher about these things.what does cellulose come from,  where may i come across it naturally or organically? I hope the answers find me before my syringe gets here. Bodihsatta thank u, you've started me out on the right track, i think. Lol (:. Ima keep you all posted, my teacher will know somthing..




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It's really just a "polymer" of carbohydrates, and all a carbohydrate is is carbon and hydrate(h2o) some carbs are starch some are sugar some are fiber etc.. some of them get mashed together into cellulose and Lingin which is simmilar to cellulose but it's what the wood-loving species like to digest.


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: Growbig]
    #19556683 - 02/12/14 10:27 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

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Complex carbon? Cellulose? I will ask my teacher about these things.what does cellulose come from,  where may i come across it naturally or organically? I hope the answers find me before my syringe gets here. Bodihsatta thank u, you've started me out on the right track, i think. Lol (:. Ima keep you all posted, my teacher will know somthing..




any substrate you read here that people are using would contain either cellulose, starches, carbohydrates etc.. like straw, brown rice, rye, grasses, hardwood wood chips(wood lovers), grazing animal manure(you want field aged)... there are many different things you could use, mostly all come from plant material


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: Growbig]
    #19556727 - 02/12/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

OP, you're over thinking and complicating stuff.
just follow a tek and you're good to go.
grains to coir+verm in a tub and you can't go wrong! :thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: spacechildo]
    #19556857 - 02/12/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Your definitely right, the question seems to complex ed really. But that doesn't mean it should be avoided, the datas out there, somewhere there some numbers some figures. I just need to do a little more research.  I really want my grow to work out, and if doesn't i wanna know why.


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Re: Mushroom food? Macro &Micro [Re: Growbig]
    #19556862 - 02/12/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Spores either drop, or are ejected from the bottom of the mushroom cap. The miniscule size of spores allows them to get caught in, and carried along, gentle air currents. When most spores hit the ground, they fall on infertile ground: rocks, leaves of grass, streams, etc. The few spores that do fall on fertile ground send out shoots into the ground, finding other shoots, from other spores and starting a reproductive process, connecting and expanding the underground fungus system otherwise known as mycelium
hyphae is just one filament of a fungi..
mycelium is a network of hyphae..

Hyphae compose the mycelium so they have the same function, digestion and absorption of nutrients from the environment, and producing spores and sporangia. The sporangium is the structure upon which the spores are produced. The spores produce new hyphae and mycelium.

It is through the mycelium that a fungus absorbs nutrients from its environment. It does this in a two-stage process. First, the hyphae secrete enzymes onto or into the food source, which break down biological polymers into smaller units such as monomers. These monomers are then absorbed into the mycelium by facilitated diffusion and active transport.
Mycelia are vital in terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems for their role in the decomposition of plant material. They contribute to the organic fraction of soil, and their growth releases carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere. The mycelium of mycorrhizal fungi increases the efficiency of water and nutrient absorption of most plants and confers resistance to some plant pathogens. Mycelia are an important food source for many soil invertebrates.
Sclerotia are compact or hard masses of mycelia. which leads us 2....
mushrooms

The main body of the fungus - - the part that's digesting the substrate - - is called a mycelium, and the threads that make it up are called hyphae (HIGH-fee). The fruiting body of the fungus is also made up of hyphae: the "fibers" in the stem of a mushroom are made up of hyphae running in parallel to make the stem strong; the cap of the mushroom is made of of hyphae so tightly interwoven that they seem to be one solid mass;
Mushrooms are fungi, and are usually placed in a Kingdom of there own apart from plants and animals. Mushrooms contain no chlorophyll and most are considered saprophytes. That is, they obtain their nutrition from metabolizing non living organic matter. This means they break down and "eat" dead plants, like your compost pile does.
The body of the mushroom stores nutrients and other essential compounds, and when enough material is stored and the conditions are right they start to fruit - produce mushrooms. It is a hidden kingdom. The part of the fungus that we see is only the “fruit” of the organism. The living body of the fungus is a mycelium made out of a web of tiny filaments called hyphae. The mycelium is usually hidden in the soil, in wood, or another food source. A mycelium may fill a single ant, or cover many acres. The branching hyphae can add over a half mile (1 km) of total length to the mycelium each day. These webs live unseen until they develop mushrooms, puffballs, truffles, brackets, cups, “birds nests,” “corals” or other fruiting bodies. If the mycelium produces microscopic fruiting bodies, people may never notice the fungus.

Most fungi build their cell walls out of chitin. This is the same material as the hard outer shells of insects and other arthropods. Plants do not make chitin.

Fungi feed by absorbing nutrients from the organic material in which they live. Fungi do not have stomachs. They must digest their food before it can pass through the cell wall into the hyphae. Hyphae secrete acids and enzymes that break the surrounding organic material down into simple molecules they can easily absorb - this is composting.

Mushrooms are nutritious: They are a good source of B vitamins, especially niacin and riboflavin, and rank the highest among vegetables for protein content. But because they are low in fat and calories, Western nutritionists mistakenly considered them of no food value (a fresh pound has only about 125 calories). Yet in dried form, mushrooms have almost as much protein as veal and a significant amount of complex carbohydrates called polysaccharides. Shiitake mushrooms are among the most delicious & very nutritious.

Mushrooming up over night? If the body is spread out and microscopic, how do mushrooms grow so quickly? There are two basic reasons: 1) Since they store up compounds between fruiting and most fruit once a year, they have a lot of reserve available to support the mushroom. 2) Mushrooms develop differently than plants or animals do. Plants and animals grow through cell division - to get bigger they have to produce more cells. Cell division is relatively slow and requires a lot of energy. The mushroom body also grows by cell division. However, the mushroom fruit does not grow by cell division. Just about as soon as it starts to develop, a mushroom has almost the same number of cells that the mature mushroom will have. The mushroom increases in size through cell ENLARGEMENT! This means that the cells can balloon up very rapidly. Very little energy is required, basically the cells just enlarge with water. So a mushroom can increase in size as fast as water can be pumped into its cells. Almost overnight a mushroom can go from a pin head to a large mushroom.

Some mushroom terms:
hyphae (hí - fee) plural: the threads that form the body of a fungus (mycelium)
mycelium (my - sée - lee - um): see hyphae
mycorrhiza (my - koh - rý - zuh) singular; mycorrhizae (my - koh - rý - zee) plural: a beneficial combination between a fungus and a living plant root
Nomenclature (nō - mən - klā'chər) a system of names or terms as used by an individual or community, especially those used in a particular science (scientific nomenclature).
symbiosis (sim - by - óh - sis) singular; symbioses (sim - by - óh - sees) plural: a partnership formed between two living organisms.


Water

Mushrooms need water for their fruit to "grow".

Mushrooms have no skin so they can lose water to the atmosphere very easily. That is why they grow in high humidity (lots of water vapor in the air) conditions. If the humidity is too low the cells lose water faster than it can be "pumped" in and the immature mushroom dries up and dies.

Mushrooms love all the water they can get? NO! Mushrooms need to breath just like humans do, except they do not have lungs. Mushroom cells exchange gases directly with the atmosphere. If the body of the mushroom is submerged in water it is comparable to drowning. No oxygen can be exchanged, anaerobic bacteria (bacteria which do not need oxygen to thrive) build up, and the mushroom is choked to death.

It is almost the same with the mushroom fruit. If it is too dry they lose too much water and desiccate. However, if it is too wet - the humidity is too high - the excess water prevents any gas exchange and the developing mushroom chokes off.


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