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OfflineLiquidSmoke
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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: LungCheeseFungus]
    #19365731 - 01/03/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This forum is about science, so discuss it.


Tell me in specific mechanisms, how modern pharmaceuticals are only being geared to symptomatic treatment instead of treating the root causes, like you are claiming.


You claim to read books and be so informed.  Then let's talk pharmacology, since this is clearly what you need to be explaining your theory with.


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #19401020 - 01/10/14 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LiquidSmoke said:
This forum is about science, so discuss it.

Tell me in specific mechanisms, how modern pharmaceuticals are only being geared to symptomatic treatment instead of treating the root causes, like you are claiming.

You claim to read books and be so informed.  Then let's talk pharmacology, since this is clearly what you need to be explaining your theory with.




I think it is somewhat true that pharma companies gear their efforts towards treatments and not cures. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, and I think I can give a good explanation of why I think this is ture.

There are plenty of small molecule treatments available for many of the individual cancers, so drug companies know development of these products is an obtainable goal. Also, to get any drug to market is no small task, you need to provide a great deal of evidence(through preclinical work) to get what is called a biologics licence to perform clinical trials with your drugs. The FDA awards these and the list of drugs licensed for clinical trails each year is pretty small. Usually the minority of drugs on this list are so called" first in class" drugs meaning they have a unique mechanism of action. This means the majority of the drugs to receive a biologics licence are based on previously known mechanisms and are probably less likely to be a novel cure( and may even be very similar to already approved drugs). this type of imbalance may make drug companies less likely to go out on a limb with more risky, novel routes which may impede any effort for developing a cancer cure.


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OfflineLiquidSmoke
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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #19403119 - 01/11/14 10:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, an educated, intelligent, thoughtful response.


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #19407646 - 01/12/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"This forum is about science, so discuss it."

Waiting on you to follow the lead.



"Tell me in specific mechanisms, how modern pharmaceuticals are only being geared to symptomatic treatment instead of treating the root causes, like you are claiming."

You need to understand, I owe you nothing. You are in theory ~ as capable as anyone else to find the truth. That being said, what are most drugs for? To try to relieve the symptoms of an infirm person. Pick up most any bottle and read it.


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: something cool]
    #19409419 - 01/12/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is an old and silly argument.  Drug preperations derived from naturally occuring substances can be patented and even a naturally occuring substance can get an exclusivity period in the US.  i.e. "nobody will use marijuana cuz big evil drug companies can't make money off of it...."  meanwhile Marinol was approved and the manufacturer got a monopoly on THC, sativex was developed from whole marijuana extract, et cet.


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: something cool]
    #19432503 - 01/17/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just want to say for those with a personal interest in this drug: It is Sodium dichloroacetate and though big pharma has no interest in it, there are companies on the internet where you can order the compound and use it on your own accord, an offshoot of the Reseach Chemicals trend where people get their own pharms directly.

For most people Sodium dichloroacetate treatment is relatively harmless and benign and can be added to most treatments for cancer, but consult your doctor before doing so.


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: Asante]
    #19432656 - 01/17/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, WS!


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: something cool]
    #19503391 - 01/31/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)
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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: johnm214]
    #19521242 - 02/04/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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johnm214 said:
This is an old and silly argument.  Drug preperations derived from naturally occuring substances can be patented and even a naturally occuring substance can get an exclusivity period in the US.  i.e. "nobody will use marijuana cuz big evil drug companies can't make money off of it...."  meanwhile Marinol was approved and the manufacturer got a monopoly on THC, sativex was developed from whole marijuana extract, et cet.




I can appreciate that it's old. The OP isn't a statement of opinion, but a question of plausibility. The viewpoint is that it's indeed plausible, and has likeness, even exact-likeness in associated things. It's therefore of full-plausibility, detectable-likeliness, but unknown-certainty.


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: something cool]
    #19530519 - 02/06/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

exactly why money is to blame. money = root of all problems. If it never existed, this would go viral.


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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: tripp23]
    #19550837 - 02/11/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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tripp23 said:
If it never existed, this would go viral.





The thing is though, this treatment probably doesn't even work at all.  There is no magic bullet for cancer - cancer is many diseases, there will never be any one molecule you can take the fixes all of them.  If someone claims to have cured all cancer, that's your clue that it probably is BS.

The video never said why they think it even cures cancer.  Cancer in a test tube is easy to cure - Turkey tail mushrooms, salt, fire, a hammer, etc....who knows if this stuff works in real cancer cases where someone's life is on the line.  Probably not.

It's not like this chemical is controlled or hard to get.  The government is not stopping cancer patients from taking this stuff, it just can't be marketed that way.


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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19555312 - 02/12/14 12:21 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

hey, I'd definitely give it a go. :thumbup:

i understand.  But I don't understand why they don't do testing.. 

Just wish the government would do something right for a change..


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OfflineSeussA
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Re: Cancer cured, but no big pharma profit to be made = no store availability? [Re: tripp23]
    #19555767 - 02/12/14 03:11 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

> But I don't understand why they don't do testing..

Who says they don't?  The conspiracy yoyo's that want you to believe that there is a cure for cancer, but that "big pharm" is somehow hiding it because a cure wouldn't be profitable?  The pharmaceutical companies do not have that kind of power.


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