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Zenlykos
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Iso alcohol 91% extraction result
#19539020 - 02/08/14 10:25 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mixed a half quart of 91% iso with 20+ grams of dried and powdered cubes. Let sit for a week or so, shaking daily. Filtered iso using a nose and mouth style med mask. evaporated on a flat pan at room temp for 1 week. This is the result. Bio assy coming soon. Final product weight is .9 grams
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19539085 - 02/08/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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 the actives you're seeking are more soluble in water.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
#19539127 - 02/08/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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evaporated on a flat pan at room temp for 1 week.
This probably oxidized most of the psilocin. I'm guessing that those 20+ grams you used will be about as potent as 4.
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Zenlykos
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
#19539165 - 02/08/14 11:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
 the actives you're seeking are more soluble in water.
Yes, I know. If I remember correctly, inorganic solvents are better than organic when it comes to dissolving and capturing the alkaloids.
Next trial run I will be using 91% ISO and Distilled water at 1:1 as my solvent. follow the same wait and shake procedure, then after filtering I will be adding salt to the mixture to separate the ISO and water into two layers, and evaporating each one separately.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result *DELETED* [Re: Zenlykos]
#19539501 - 02/08/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Andjew]
#19539579 - 02/08/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe it was David Nichols that found that using varying concentrations of methanol/water and ethanol/water worked best at getting psilocybin and psilocin respectively.
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Zenlykos
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Andjew]
#19539627 - 02/08/14 12:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Andjew said: Isopropyl alcohol is organic, has carbon.
C3H8O
Yes it is. That is why I am going to do an ISO:Water extraction next time to see which one does better since Iso separates from water with the addition of salts. Whichever one has the highest concentration wins.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19539636 - 02/08/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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how will you determine the concentration, the tar you pulled isn't 100% actives, you'll only be able to judge by bioassay which is pretty irrelevant IMO
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Zenlykos
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
#19539674 - 02/08/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like I said, I will be doing a bio assay. Since I started with 20g+ of powder, I will be dividing the result between 5-6 very experienced users and taking notes.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19539792 - 02/08/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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This may be a dumb question, but does the fact that isoalcohol is denatured have any negative effect, or is that evaporated off as well?
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Zenlykos
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MustardTiger66 said: This may be a dumb question, but does the fact that isoalcohol is denatured have any negative effect, or is that evaporated off as well?
Not a dumb q at all. ISO is poisonous so everything has to be evaporated off before use.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19551011 - 02/11/14 02:56 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ISO is NOT very poisonous. It is actually less poisonous that regular ethanol. Denatured iso is "poisonous". The MSDS for iso is BS. Natives drink ISO all the time to get drunk. The real problem with it is how little it takes to overdose.
Id suggest a quick double boil to remove alcohol. Keep the temps low enough to just boil the ISO. It is FINE if a little is left in there. No need to let it sit for WEEK. Once it looks dry, its done.
Do not use denatured ISO.
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Zenlykos
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: crackacola]
#19551248 - 02/11/14 06:27 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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crackacola said: ISO is NOT very poisonous. It is actually less poisonous that regular ethanol. Denatured iso is "poisonous". The MSDS for iso is BS. Natives drink ISO all the time to get drunk. The real problem with it is how little it takes to overdose.
Id suggest a quick double boil to remove alcohol. Keep the temps low enough to just boil the ISO. It is FINE if a little is left in there. No need to let it sit for WEEK. Once it looks dry, its done.
Do not use denatured ISO.
ISO whether denatured or not, is a poison. Do NOT drink it please. You cannot just boil off the ISO in a solution because ISO and water become an Azeotrope.
This means if you have a solution with X% ISO and Y% H2O, After boiling for any amount of time, you will still have X% ISO and Y% H2O.
I do not want people dying or getting sick off of this thread please.
Also note that ISO breaks down in the liver to form ACETONE. If you wouldn't drink ACETONE, why would you drink ISO.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19551262 - 02/11/14 06:38 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, OP, did u eat your ISO mushroom ball yet?
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Zenlykos
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: lil_demented]
#19551316 - 02/11/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not yet, but soon. It's been harder than I thought to get everyone over during the day so we can split it up and see how it goes.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19551324 - 02/11/14 07:21 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I seriously doubt it will get more than one person off, so don't get embarrassed in front of friends. At least 90% of the actives in the original 20 grams are wasted or destroyed. I'd eat a small piece myself to test it first. 
Why do you think psilocybin molecules would form a tar ball? RR
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Zenlykos
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19551346 - 02/11/14 07:31 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I seriously doubt it will get more than one person off, so don't get embarrassed in front of friends. At least 90% of the actives in the original 20 grams are wasted or destroyed. I'd eat a small piece myself to test it first. 
Why do you thing psilocybin molecules would form a tar ball? RR
You're more than likely completely right. But it's become a reason to get together to test out the unusual thing I make, more than the desire to feel an effect. Everyone is completely aware that it may be a failure, but that's what the weed, mescaline, and LSD I have stashed away is for.
I don't think it's the psilocybin molecules that have created the tar. I think that may be the result of unfiltered plant matter. Failure on my part is still a good option, as it still answers a lot of questions
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Generic]
#19551399 - 02/11/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Generic said: This probably oxidized most of the psilocin.
Psilocin oxidizes quickly regardless. The only way to avoid that is to eat the fruits fresh or immediately freeze dry them after picking.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: FooMan]
#19551429 - 02/11/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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FooMan said:
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Generic said: This probably oxidized most of the psilocin.
Psilocin oxidizes quickly regardless. The only way to avoid that is to eat the fruits fresh or immediately freeze dry them after picking.
I was under the impression that Psilocybin oxidizes quickly, not psilocin.
IMO psilocin is still plentiful in fruit bodies that have been left out in open air for weeks. Although most of the time I pack them in bags in the freezer.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19551643 - 02/11/14 09:50 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm interested in your bioassay, but as RR said, don't be expecting tons of magic, do a personal test first. In my experience the magic degrades fast. You have your psilocybin and Psilocin reversed. Both can be oxidized but Psilocybin with its phosphate group is more stable.
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