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InvisibleEchro
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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: absols]
    #19534403 - 02/07/14 08:44 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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absols said:
because reality about anything is one fact.. because existence is true .. so if all is wrong then you would be wrong too

but when existence is true then reality is living.. so meaning to support something else is free .. when all is right then the positive move is normal

while to you when all is right the negative move is normal, which is absurd




What the hell are you talking about? Objective reality is value free. Only as thinking, acting animals do we ascribe meaning to it. & that meaning is subjective & interpretive.


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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: Echro]
    #19534746 - 02/07/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

you are the proof of what I said.. despite everything around and others and even yourself being you will still say that it is nothing but you willing something.. subjectivity cannot be the source of anything

subject is oneself which is free out of nothing real so never a matter of being

being is from realizing else being then oneself becomes real .. which is relative so never the positive truth

objective has nothing to do with perspectives.. on the contrary what objectively exist is what no one can see .. that is how it is always through abstract conceptions of positive values which are free 

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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: absols]
    #19534850 - 02/07/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I agree, in that the Objective world exists outside of human abstractions.
However, Subjectivity can be a source of many things, primarily because it is the only driving source of human valuation & actions derived from those valuations. The two are intrinsically linked. Subjectivity is but the linguistic mythos weaved to rationalize our daily affairs.


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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: Echro]
    #19535038 - 02/07/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

subjective actions are never positive source

conscious beings cant even realize themselves alone.. while else reality is always the present fact

subjects powers are only negative, through ruining the positive factor of objective sights .. while meaning to be superior present of being fact

it is only through constancy that superiority exist .. while only superiority is positive objective matters reasons

and constancy is by definition the essence of objective forms

subjects are by definition free so never constant .. then no one is ever anything reason nor source .. any one is only itself subjective fact that cant have a form

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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: HalfLight]
    #19535308 - 02/07/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I feel that every action a person takes is to benefit themselves.




The first word that screamed at me was 'every'. There is always an outlier. The outlier may be someone who perceives the world differently than you.

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every action a person takes is to benefit




But what is a person? Remember that people range on measures such as IQ or Abnormality. Again, there is always an outlier - maybe an ascetic or a person with mental retardation?


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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: XUL]
    #19538292 - 02/08/14 06:45 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

persons are free that is the justification of their existence in truth

because existence is by definition true, so matters clearly seen

then freedom is the only thing that can hang around true matters without touching it .. freedom is objectively like nothing
so what is true objectively stay true

while his premise is meaning the opposite, which show how all is wrong

as if willing to benefit from existence is right

because existence is true then any benefit mean is evil fact and ways

the true benefit is freedom .. when everything is true then freedom is the positive result, truth objective value, so absolutely the fact out of everything and anything or all .. that is how existence look like meaning positive life of any free sense

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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: HalfLight]
    #19539097 - 02/08/14 10:45 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

There is, however, a difference between an selfish selfish act and an unselfish selfish act.

There is a difference between caring about self and caring about others, even if it is a self that cares about others.


And there is the experience that self is other, where the concept of selfish or unselfish drops away. And if you never experienced it, I doubt no amount of talking about it could convey any understanding of it.

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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: HalfLight] * 1
    #19540773 - 02/08/14 05:28 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Empathy, and feeling good from helping others, is probably very important to humans' success.

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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: birdland]
    #19542589 - 02/09/14 04:43 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

you keep repeating the same things while knowing how they are contributing to make everything worse

you cannot force empathy or whatever you mean.. obviously it doesn't exist as a constant factor of being and that is what matter only, the constant you are which is the base of positive factor .. free true constancy so present fact

reason

another is not what you are supposed to care about.. positive with others is meaning yourself .. which is nothing to objective facts and reality of everything

you can be nice to others if you want, but that doesn't help anything nor anyone else so never everyone

that is how it is clearly meant for one evil powerful force through life .. by convincing what is forced to be consciously positive relatively with the fact of being forced .. so to not reject the force on everyone rights for only one free superior life the evilest one .. always by throwing facts value down and getting over everything and every free wills then easily

so the true reason has nothing to do with the fact .. plural individuals existence positive life 

there is no such thing as empathy.. only objective facts are common perspectives of different conscious beings presence

you cant feel another .. it is you the present abstract value .. while realizing yourself positively then is the right way of being ...

care and caring are to objective things, that are constant value by definition of existence reality in truth .. to care about something as an objective way of being real also with everything in positive ways of being oneself present right

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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: absols]
    #19542601 - 02/09/14 05:00 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Either you completely misinterpreted what I was saying or your post just makes no sense at all. Quite possibly both.

I'm saying the fact that it's nice to be nice, benefits the human race in the long run.

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Re: Self-serving generosity [Re: birdland]
    #19542650 - 02/09/14 06:04 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

for you it is nice to be nice, totally subjective ... being nice is against facts so not true, and what is not true cannot be anything to any future not even present existence

and I repeat, how can you talk about benefits when everything of everyone says the opposite consciously
it just prove how far you disrespect facts .. so lean on being subjectively only.. but then why pretending knowing what is good for others and everything ??

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