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Iso alcohol 91% extraction result
    #19539020 - 02/08/14 10:25 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Mixed a half quart of 91% iso with 20+ grams of dried and powdered cubes. Let sit for a week or so, shaking daily. Filtered iso using a nose and mouth style med mask. evaporated on a flat pan at room temp for 1 week. This is the result. Bio assy coming soon.
Final product weight is .9 grams



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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19539085 - 02/08/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:
the actives you're seeking are more soluble in water.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19539127 - 02/08/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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evaporated on a flat pan at room temp for 1 week.




This probably oxidized most of the psilocin.  I'm guessing that those  20+ grams you used will be about as potent as 4. :shrug:

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19539165 - 02/08/14 11:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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the actives you're seeking are more soluble in water.




Yes, I know. If I remember correctly, inorganic solvents are better than organic when it comes to dissolving and capturing the alkaloids.

Next trial run I will be using 91% ISO and Distilled water at 1:1 as my solvent. follow the same wait and shake procedure, then after filtering I will be adding salt to the mixture to separate the ISO and water into two layers, and evaporating each one separately.


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    #19539501 - 02/08/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Andjew]
    #19539579 - 02/08/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I believe it was David Nichols that found that using varying concentrations of methanol/water and ethanol/water worked best at getting psilocybin and psilocin respectively.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Andjew]
    #19539627 - 02/08/14 12:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Isopropyl alcohol is organic, has carbon.

C3H8O




Yes it is. That is why I am going to do an ISO:Water extraction next time to see which one does better since Iso separates from water with the addition of salts. Whichever one has the highest concentration wins.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19539636 - 02/08/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

how will you determine the concentration, the tar you pulled isn't 100% actives, you'll only be able to judge by bioassay which is pretty irrelevant IMO

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19539674 - 02/08/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Like I said, I will be doing a bio assay. Since I started with 20g+ of powder, I will be dividing the result between 5-6 very experienced users and taking notes.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19539792 - 02/08/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

This may be a dumb question, but does the fact that isoalcohol is denatured have any negative effect, or is that evaporated off as well?


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: TheMustardTiger]
    #19539849 - 02/08/14 01:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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This may be a dumb question, but does the fact that isoalcohol is denatured have any negative effect, or is that evaporated off as well?



Not a dumb q at all. ISO is poisonous so everything has to be evaporated off before use.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19551011 - 02/11/14 02:56 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

ISO is NOT very poisonous.  It is actually less poisonous that regular ethanol.  Denatured iso is "poisonous".  The MSDS for iso is BS.  Natives drink ISO all the time to get drunk.  The real problem with it is how little it takes to overdose.

Id suggest a quick double boil to remove alcohol.  Keep the temps low enough to just boil the ISO.  It is FINE if a little is left in there.  No need to let it sit for WEEK.  Once it looks dry, its done. 

Do not use denatured ISO.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: crackacola]
    #19551248 - 02/11/14 06:27 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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ISO is NOT very poisonous.  It is actually less poisonous that regular ethanol.  Denatured iso is "poisonous".  The MSDS for iso is BS.  Natives drink ISO all the time to get drunk.  The real problem with it is how little it takes to overdose.

Id suggest a quick double boil to remove alcohol.  Keep the temps low enough to just boil the ISO.  It is FINE if a little is left in there.  No need to let it sit for WEEK.  Once it looks dry, its done. 

Do not use denatured ISO.




ISO whether denatured or not, is a poison. Do NOT drink it please. You cannot just boil off the ISO in a solution because ISO and water become an Azeotrope.

This means if you have a solution with X% ISO and Y% H2O, After boiling for any amount of time, you will still have X% ISO and Y% H2O.

I do not want people dying or getting sick off of this thread please.

Also note that ISO breaks down in the liver to form ACETONE. If you wouldn't drink ACETONE, why would you drink ISO.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19551262 - 02/11/14 06:38 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

So, OP, did u eat your ISO mushroom ball yet?

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: lil_demented]
    #19551316 - 02/11/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Not yet, but soon. It's been harder than I thought to get everyone over during the day so we can split it up and see how it goes.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19551324 - 02/11/14 07:21 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I seriously doubt it will get more than one person off, so don't get embarrassed in front of friends.  At least 90% of the actives in the original 20 grams are wasted or destroyed.  I'd eat a small piece myself to test it first. :wink:

Why do you think psilocybin molecules would form a tar ball?
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19551346 - 02/11/14 07:31 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I seriously doubt it will get more than one person off, so don't get embarrassed in front of friends.  At least 90% of the actives in the original 20 grams are wasted or destroyed.  I'd eat a small piece myself to test it first. :wink:

Why do you thing psilocybin molecules would form a tar ball?
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You're more than likely completely right. But it's become a reason to get together to test out the unusual thing I make, more than the desire to feel an effect. Everyone is completely aware that it may be a failure, but that's what the weed, mescaline, and LSD I have stashed away is for.

I don't think it's the psilocybin molecules that have created the tar. I think that may be the result of unfiltered plant matter. Failure on my part is still a good option, as it still answers a lot of questions :smile:


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Generic]
    #19551399 - 02/11/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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This probably oxidized most of the psilocin.




Psilocin oxidizes quickly regardless. The only way to avoid that is to eat the fruits fresh or immediately freeze dry them after picking.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: FooMan]
    #19551429 - 02/11/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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This probably oxidized most of the psilocin.




Psilocin oxidizes quickly regardless. The only way to avoid that is to eat the fruits fresh or immediately freeze dry them after picking.




I was under the impression that Psilocybin oxidizes quickly, not psilocin.

IMO psilocin is still plentiful in fruit bodies that have been left out in open air for weeks. Although most of the time I pack them in bags in the freezer.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19551643 - 02/11/14 09:50 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I'm interested in your bioassay, but as RR said, don't be expecting tons of magic, do a personal test first.
In my experience the magic degrades fast.
You have your psilocybin and Psilocin reversed.  Both can be oxidized but Psilocybin with its phosphate group is more stable.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19552096 - 02/11/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

How can that be? I thought Psilocybin degraded into psilocin once the mushrooms were dried or digested.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19552130 - 02/11/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

When dried Psilocybin sticks around, psilocin degrades (starred at too hard psilocin degrades).
When eaten psilocybin is dephosphorylated into psilocin by a pass through your liver.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19552342 - 02/11/14 01:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I stand corrected then. Alright then.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19552367 - 02/11/14 01:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I have a bunch or trim, aborts, and scraps I have been saving for an extraction. Most likely just gonna powder em and make a tea, but I was also interested in the alcohol and methanol extractions.

Curios to hear your results.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19552641 - 02/11/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting experiment can't wait to hear the results successful or not

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Gondola]
    #19552730 - 02/11/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Tea is great, But I take my abort powder and pack it right into capsules or mix it with sprite and just chug. It's over quick and hits hard in 15 min tops.

as for results, my roommate just ate half of the tar ball so we will see. Not expecting the best bio assay since he's autistic...


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19552801 - 02/11/14 03:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

lol, i hope ur not serious about the autism.  or u mean like aspergers kinda autism?


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: blindingleaf] * 1
    #19552932 - 02/11/14 03:42 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

For best results I'd do an ethanol extraction and leave the psilocybin/psilocin in solution. It lasts much longer, possibly indefinitely, that way.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19553062 - 02/11/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Why not use grain alcohol to creat a tincture & crystals. I wouldn't trust something that turned into a tar but that's just my opinion..


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19553110 - 02/11/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Aspergers type autism. I would leave the actives in the alcohol but I was using ISO. Also there is a big difference between grain alcohol and ISO solvent wise. The tar was most likely a result of improper filtering.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19553161 - 02/11/14 04:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Why don't people just eat the mushrooms like has been done for millenia?


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19553217 - 02/11/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Why not use grain alcohol to creat a tincture & crystals. I wouldn't trust something that turned into a tar but that's just my opinion..



That's exactly what I'm saying however I wouldn't go to crystals since they don't survive well out of solution.
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Why don't people just eat the mushrooms like has been done for millenia?



Novelty, lack of nausea, predictability of dosage, not having to eat the worst tasting mushrooms to have ever touched my tongue.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19553238 - 02/11/14 04:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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plant matter.





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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: urthtown]
    #19553418 - 02/11/14 05:09 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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plant matter.





:lolwut:




God damn... I bow my head in shame... I meant mushroom matter. That's what happens when I try multitasking.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19553441 - 02/11/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Any updates? How's your friend feeling? Like he just ingested 10 grams of shrooms worth of psilocybin? Haha.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19553499 - 02/11/14 05:27 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Well so far he's been sitting on the couch for the last hour with the Xbox controller in his hands, and the tv is off... So I think it worked. I'll have an after action report in the morning.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19553539 - 02/11/14 05:34 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

:rofl:

tv is off? thats awesome.

im not a video game guy, and don't even like tv tripping or sober.  but sometimes if I'm at my friends house, the only thing i will watch is nature shows if i am :raveface:

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19553553 - 02/11/14 05:37 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Haha. He probably forgot how to turn it on, that was me my first time eating a pot browny. Hahaha. I clicked the disc drive button and couldn't make sense of it after that so I jumped out the window, first story from five feet, and ran off. Hahaha. I'm glad it, probably, worked for him.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19553808 - 02/11/14 06:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Why not use grain alcohol to creat a tincture & crystals. I wouldn't trust something that turned into a tar but that's just my opinion..



That's exactly what I'm saying however I wouldn't go to crystals since they don't survive well out of solution.
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Why don't people just eat the mushrooms like has been done for millenia?



Novelty, lack of nausea, predictability of dosage, not having to eat the worst tasting mushrooms to have ever touched my tongue.




Hell yeah I would stick with the liquor myself to make it alot easier to dose correctly.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19553830 - 02/11/14 06:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I can't wait to make a liquor tincture. I distill and I've been saving all the nasty, but very high proof alcohol I make so that when my galindoi bags give me stones in a few months I can make an awesome tincture. I'm hoping to get it down to 1 gram of cubensis worth of psilo per cc of alcohol. 3 cc's under the tongue has got to be the coolest way to dose. Haha.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19553900 - 02/11/14 06:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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ISO is NOT very poisonous.  It is actually less poisonous that regular ethanol.  Denatured iso is "poisonous".  The MSDS for iso is BS.  Natives drink ISO all the time to get drunk.  The real problem with it is how little it takes to overdose.

Id suggest a quick double boil to remove alcohol.  Keep the temps low enough to just boil the ISO.  It is FINE if a little is left in there.  No need to let it sit for WEEK.  Once it looks dry, its done. 

Do not use denatured ISO.




ISO whether denatured or not, is a poison. Do NOT drink it please. You cannot just boil off the ISO in a solution because ISO and water become an Azeotrope.

This means if you have a solution with X% ISO and Y% H2O, After boiling for any amount of time, you will still have X% ISO and Y% H2O.

I do not want people dying or getting sick off of this thread please.

Also note that ISO breaks down in the liver to form ACETONE. If you wouldn't drink ACETONE, why would you drink ISO.




Agreed.  I also do not recommend consuming ISO, but look up ethanol.  Its much worse for your body/liver.  We drink it all the time.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19553915 - 02/11/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, I can't wait to make a liquor tincture. I distill and I've been saving all the nasty, but very high proof alcohol I make so that when my galindoi bags give me stones in a few months I can make an awesome tincture. I'm hoping to get it down to 1 gram of cubensis worth of psilo per cc of alcohol. 3 cc's under the tongue has got to be the coolest way to dose. Haha.





I completely agree with ya man!  Still can't wait till I try making my own liquor haha


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19553929 - 02/11/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Haha. It's a blast, nothing like making whiskey that actually tastes good! I can't even imagine how fun it'll be to have psiloshine in a few months.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19553934 - 02/11/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

"psiloshine" :aweohyou:

Such an amazing thought.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19553957 - 02/11/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Has anybody ever tried an acid base extraction on mushrooms?

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19553979 - 02/11/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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"psiloshine" :aweohyou:

Such an amazing thought.



Haha. I know right?!? It almost might be more fun to have each dose be a shot. Haha. Talk about interesting drinking contests.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19554046 - 02/11/14 07:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Oh god... "Here, take this shot.  What is it?  Just drink it" *15 min later laughing uncontrollably* lmao that would be awesome.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: entheogenicmedic]
    #19554082 - 02/11/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Has anybody ever tried an acid base extraction on mushrooms?



Sure if mushrooms had a molecule you wanted a freebase form of, but they don't :shrug:

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19554110 - 02/11/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Has anybody ever tried an acid base extraction on mushrooms?



Sure if mushrooms had a molecule you wanted a freebase form of, but they don't :shrug:




So you'd salt it out.

But an A/B isn't the best thing to do for psilocybin or psilocin. You'd do better to slightly refine the raw mushrooms with a solvent extraction then run liquid chromatography columns with different eluents till you get some fractions with pure psilocybin.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19554145 - 02/11/14 07:37 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Try the extraction with anhydrous acetone. You will have an easier time evaporating the solvent and it wont take a week.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bolbol]
    #19554226 - 02/11/14 07:54 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh god... "Here, take this shot.  What is it?  Just drink it" *15 min later laughing uncontrollably* lmao that would be awesome.



Presidential debate drinking games just got way cooler. Hahaha.
You really don't wanna do an extraction from mushrooms down to crystals. The actives don't stay good for long out of solution. You really want to keep them dissolved in a solution or else the actives degrade very quickly. Solution? Ethanol extraction.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19554301 - 02/11/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19554316 - 02/11/14 08:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I'm in the middle of doing an extraction using 2 ounces of cubes and 500 ml bottle of absinthe.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19554321 - 02/11/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm in the middle of doing an extraction using 2 ounces of cubes and 500 ml bottle of absinthe.



That's about 30 ml per dose, are you planning on boiling it down a bit?


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19554434 - 02/11/14 08:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I,m actually using 58.5 grams of aborted pins. My math may be off but it should work out to just under an eighth of shrooms per shot of absinthe.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bolbol] * 1
    #19554450 - 02/11/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Why not use grain alcohol to creat a tincture & crystals. I wouldn't trust something that turned into a tar but that's just my opinion..



The crystals are a myth (or well non-actives).  Goo seems to be the best you can do without lab equipment.

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Try the extraction with anhydrous acetone. You will have an easier time evaporating the solvent and it wont take a week.



That would be great if you didn't want psilocybin. 
Anhydrous acetone can be used to wash your product and reduce the 'tar' appearance.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19554467 - 02/11/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

if it doesnt dissolve in acetone it probably wont dissolve in isopropyl either.. If its the water in the isopropyl that does the dissolving the work then I guess you are right

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19554472 - 02/11/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Well a shot is about 44ml and my math showed that you would get an eighth from 30ml without taking into considerations that you're using aborts. I divided 500ml by 58.5 grams to get 8.55 ml/gram. Then I multiplied that by 3.5, the average dose in grams, to get almost exactly 30ml. If a shot is 44ml then you're looking at about a 5 gram dose by my calculations. If that's wrong please tell me where, I'm just trying to make sure you don't accidentally give yourself a heroic dose. Haha.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bolbol]
    #19554509 - 02/11/14 09:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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if it doesnt dissolve in acetone it probably wont dissolve in isopropyl either...



Zwitterions are funny like that.

Based on a few papers the best solvents are in order,
Methanol
Iso
Ethanol + water
Slightly acidic water.
Water.
(While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.)
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19554535 - 02/11/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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(While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.)



That just made my day! I've been trying to get 95% alcohol out of my still with some difficulty for tinctures, but 70% alcohol is child's play! I've got this!


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19554646 - 02/11/14 09:29 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Has anybody ever tried an acid base extraction on mushrooms?



Sure if mushrooms had a molecule you wanted a freebase form of, but they don't :shrug:




True that makes sense. What about HCL? psilocybin/psilocin HCL. Now that would be awesome..

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: entheogenicmedic]
    #19554661 - 02/11/14 09:32 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Why would psilocin hcl be any better? That is a genuine question, I'm very curious to see your reasoning.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19554671 - 02/11/14 09:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Not implying it would be better, just implying it would be cool. I would love to have a small amount of white powder/crystal that came from mushrooms if that was at all possible. Just trying to think outside the box. :pipesmoke:

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    #19554685 - 02/11/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Not implying it would be better, just implying it would be cool. I would love to have a small amount of white powder/crystal that came from mushrooms if that was at all possible. Just trying to think outside the box. :pipesmoke:



I have to agree, it would be cool and I am all for thinking outside the box!


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19554687 - 02/11/14 09:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Just posting to see about his report in the morning. This should be interesting.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19554724 - 02/11/14 09:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Well a shot is about 44ml and my math showed that you would get an eighth from 30ml without taking into considerations that you're using aborts. I divided 500ml by 58.5 grams to get 8.55 ml/gram. Then I multiplied that by 3.5, the average dose in grams, to get almost exactly 30ml. If a shot is 44ml then you're looking at about a 5 gram dose by my calculations. If that's wrong please tell me where, I'm just trying to make sure you don't accidentally give yourself a heroic dose. Haha.



oh yah. that sounds rite. I have no fear of high doses. chances are ill drink the whole thing in one night with 3 or 4 friends.


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Haha. Sweet Jesus, a 20 gram trip. :trippnballs:


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
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(While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.)



That just made my day! I've been trying to get 95% alcohol out of my still with some difficulty for tinctures, but 70% alcohol is child's play! I've got this!




Are you using a reflux or pot still? If you use a reflux, try adding a thumper, you'll get 90%-95% first run. If It's a pot still, just add 2 thumpers with a hot plate under the first. :thumbup:


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(While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.)



That just made my day! I've been trying to get 95% alcohol out of my still with some difficulty for tinctures, but 70% alcohol is child's play! I've got this!




Are you using a reflux or pot still? If you use a reflux, try adding a thumper, you'll get 90%-95% first run. If It's a pot still, just add 2 thumpers with a hot plate under the first. :thumbup:



A reflux still, thanks! That's a great idea!


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(While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.)



That just made my day! I've been trying to get 95% alcohol out of my still with some difficulty for tinctures, but 70% alcohol is child's play! I've got this!




Are you using a reflux or pot still? If you use a reflux, try adding a thumper, you'll get 90%-95% first run. If It's a pot still, just add 2 thumpers with a hot plate under the first. :thumbup:



A reflux still, thanks! That's a great idea!




Glad I could help. If you need a good thumper design let me. plus when you're not using it for your still, it makes a great water bong!


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Haha. That's funny, I do totally need a design, I can't find a good one anywhere.


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lmao that be one hell of a fuckin bong


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    #19560739 - 02/13/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Here's the thumper in bong form. just remove the bowl head and run it to your still. Use 1/4" OD copper tubing for the whole thing including the thumper out. I'd recommend a condenser coil after the thumper as well, and a temp probe on the lid of the jar. This set-up uses a 1/2 gal jar but any size should work, just load it up a little past the coil with at least 70% alcohol.



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    #19560849 - 02/13/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

That seems like an awesome way to make bong water liquor. Hahaha. I'll be doing this tonight, is there any reason for the coil within the jar? It seems unnecessary, but what do I know. Haha. Do you run the still without a the Liebig condenser running so that it puts hot vapor into the thumper or do you want cold alcohol running into it?


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    #19560971 - 02/13/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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That seems like an awesome way to make bong water liquor. Hahaha. I'll be doing this tonight, is there any reason for the coil within the jar? It seems unnecessary, but what do I know. Haha. Do you run the still without a the Liebig condenser running so that it puts hot vapor into the thumper or do you want cold alcohol running into it?




The coil in the jar is to help transfer heat from the vapor to the thumper before it enters the alcohol in the thumper. This design allows you to use a liebig condenser as your fine tune temperature control. reduce flow to the liebig and the temps in the thumper will rise to the desired level. But note that the condenser before the thumper is only used to keep the temps from running up too fast. If you choose to use the thumper right off the top of your column, make sure to start slow as the pressure from the coil in the thumper will make your column run much hotter faster.

I came up with this design to be used with a pot still with a condenser after the thumper to make it cost effective for cheap skates like me. or a reflux column for those with more money to throw around.

Also any alcohol left over in the thumper after a run will have a higher content of flavorings and impurities, and since I like to distill the excess wine I make, I get a much higher concentration of delicious flavors in the thumper.

And for any of you who want to know what this design has to do with mushrooms: You can add a reflux column with psilo contain mushroom matter to the thumper, and have psilo containing thumper juice after a distillation run.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19561080 - 02/13/14 11:16 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Gotcha, awesome information man! Normally my condenser can cool the vapors down to room temperature so I'll have to run the pump a lot slower or intermittently. This is a great concept and it also seems like a great way to make gin which I've wanted to do for a while now. Thanks a ton, this is awesome!


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19561166 - 02/13/14 11:32 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Just run your condenser after the thumper. unless you have two condensers. What are you using in your reflux column?

Glad I could help! :thumbup:


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19561363 - 02/13/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I have a 4 or so foot tall column packed with pot scrubbers with a reflux condenser at the top and a leibig condenser soldered at the top of it. Unfortunetly I couldn't really move the Liebig condenser without totally screwing it up, so I'll just keep it off when I run the thumper and use a different condenser.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19561477 - 02/13/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I've always had trouble with pot scrubbers in a column. I always ended up with inconsistent flow. I swear by glass marbles now, and they are easier by far to rinse clean after a run. Good luck!


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19561506 - 02/13/14 12:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

That's a ton of glass marbles! Haha.


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19561813 - 02/13/14 02:18 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

lol, yeah. it can get pretty heavy. But I never used a column over 2 feet high with a 4"ID


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19561821 - 02/13/14 02:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Haha. If I ever find marbles for sale by the 100 pound bag I'll certainly have to try that out. Thanks for the tip! I'll hopefully be making my thumper tonight!


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19562441 - 02/13/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck. any q's just pm me


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
    #19562457 - 02/13/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Cool, thanks man!


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19564050 - 02/13/14 11:05 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I think yall lost yer marbles lmao


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    #19564085 - 02/13/14 11:18 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I think yall lost yer marbles lmao



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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19564659 - 02/14/14 03:19 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I think yall lost yer marbles lmao




yea i lost you guys when u started talking about coils, haha
i still read to try and figure it out, seems awesome.  i would love to learn distilling at some point (if that was what was talked about at some point..?)
u guys seems to know what ur doing tho :rockon:


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19564819 - 02/14/14 05:03 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

There's a moonshine forum here on the shroomery, we should start posting there more.


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:bigyesnod:


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19565414 - 02/14/14 09:22 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

moonshine forum?  now there's trouble :zombie3:


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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: StygianKnight]
    #25150186 - 04/19/18 07:54 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Based on a few papers the best solvents are in order,
Methanol
Iso
Ethanol + water
Slightly acidic water.
Water.
(While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.)
All will extract the magic, they are ranked here in speed and how little non-magic they bring over.




Hello. Does anyone have the source or reference for this ranking? In particular I'm hoping to find details about the anhydrous IPA extraction.

Apologies if this info is posted elsewhere, I checked and could not find it.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Loveall]
    #25150383 - 04/19/18 10:10 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

There's no source that corroborates that listing. Theres an old merck index that has some solvent/solubility listed, it was also published over 40 years ago.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25150421 - 04/19/18 10:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I had a pint of shine with 10g of mush and 25 drops of L in it once. My homegirl drank it all herself in 2 or 3 sittings. She loved it.

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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25151633 - 04/19/18 07:17 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, thanks for the info bodhisatta. I went to the Merck Index online but they require pay per view, so I'll just run tests.

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