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crackacola
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Zenlykos]
#19553900 - 02/11/14 06:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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crackacola said: ISO is NOT very poisonous. It is actually less poisonous that regular ethanol. Denatured iso is "poisonous". The MSDS for iso is BS. Natives drink ISO all the time to get drunk. The real problem with it is how little it takes to overdose.
Id suggest a quick double boil to remove alcohol. Keep the temps low enough to just boil the ISO. It is FINE if a little is left in there. No need to let it sit for WEEK. Once it looks dry, its done.
Do not use denatured ISO.
ISO whether denatured or not, is a poison. Do NOT drink it please. You cannot just boil off the ISO in a solution because ISO and water become an Azeotrope.
This means if you have a solution with X% ISO and Y% H2O, After boiling for any amount of time, you will still have X% ISO and Y% H2O.
I do not want people dying or getting sick off of this thread please.
Also note that ISO breaks down in the liver to form ACETONE. If you wouldn't drink ACETONE, why would you drink ISO.
Agreed. I also do not recommend consuming ISO, but look up ethanol. Its much worse for your body/liver. We drink it all the time.
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DannyDGAF
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19553915 - 02/11/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: Yeah, I can't wait to make a liquor tincture. I distill and I've been saving all the nasty, but very high proof alcohol I make so that when my galindoi bags give me stones in a few months I can make an awesome tincture. I'm hoping to get it down to 1 gram of cubensis worth of psilo per cc of alcohol. 3 cc's under the tongue has got to be the coolest way to dose. Haha.
I completely agree with ya man! Still can't wait till I try making my own liquor haha
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
#19553929 - 02/11/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haha. It's a blast, nothing like making whiskey that actually tastes good! I can't even imagine how fun it'll be to have psiloshine in a few months.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19553934 - 02/11/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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"psiloshine" 
Such an amazing thought.
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entheogenicmedic
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
#19553957 - 02/11/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has anybody ever tried an acid base extraction on mushrooms?
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
#19553979 - 02/11/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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DannyDGAF said: "psiloshine" 
Such an amazing thought.
Haha. I know right?!? It almost might be more fun to have each dose be a shot. Haha. Talk about interesting drinking contests.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19554046 - 02/11/14 07:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh god... "Here, take this shot. What is it? Just drink it" *15 min later laughing uncontrollably* lmao that would be awesome.
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entheogenicmedic said: Has anybody ever tried an acid base extraction on mushrooms?
Sure if mushrooms had a molecule you wanted a freebase form of, but they don't
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36fuckin5
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bodhisatta]
#19554110 - 02/11/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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entheogenicmedic said: Has anybody ever tried an acid base extraction on mushrooms?
Sure if mushrooms had a molecule you wanted a freebase form of, but they don't 
So you'd salt it out.
But an A/B isn't the best thing to do for psilocybin or psilocin. You'd do better to slightly refine the raw mushrooms with a solvent extraction then run liquid chromatography columns with different eluents till you get some fractions with pure psilocybin.
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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19554145 - 02/11/14 07:37 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Try the extraction with anhydrous acetone. You will have an easier time evaporating the solvent and it wont take a week.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bolbol]
#19554226 - 02/11/14 07:54 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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DannyDGAF said: Oh god... "Here, take this shot. What is it? Just drink it" *15 min later laughing uncontrollably* lmao that would be awesome.
Presidential debate drinking games just got way cooler. Hahaha. You really don't wanna do an extraction from mushrooms down to crystals. The actives don't stay good for long out of solution. You really want to keep them dissolved in a solution or else the actives degrade very quickly. Solution? Ethanol extraction.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19554301 - 02/11/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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MudaFuka
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: DannyDGAF]
#19554316 - 02/11/14 08:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm in the middle of doing an extraction using 2 ounces of cubes and 500 ml bottle of absinthe.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: MudaFuka]
#19554321 - 02/11/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I'm in the middle of doing an extraction using 2 ounces of cubes and 500 ml bottle of absinthe.
That's about 30 ml per dose, are you planning on boiling it down a bit?
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19554434 - 02/11/14 08:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I,m actually using 58.5 grams of aborted pins. My math may be off but it should work out to just under an eighth of shrooms per shot of absinthe.
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StygianKnight
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bolbol] 1
#19554450 - 02/11/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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DannyDGAF said: Why not use grain alcohol to creat a tincture & crystals. I wouldn't trust something that turned into a tar but that's just my opinion..
The crystals are a myth (or well non-actives). Goo seems to be the best you can do without lab equipment.
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bolbol said: Try the extraction with anhydrous acetone. You will have an easier time evaporating the solvent and it wont take a week.
That would be great if you didn't want psilocybin. Anhydrous acetone can be used to wash your product and reduce the 'tar' appearance.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: StygianKnight]
#19554467 - 02/11/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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if it doesnt dissolve in acetone it probably wont dissolve in isopropyl either.. If its the water in the isopropyl that does the dissolving the work then I guess you are right
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: MudaFuka]
#19554472 - 02/11/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well a shot is about 44ml and my math showed that you would get an eighth from 30ml without taking into considerations that you're using aborts. I divided 500ml by 58.5 grams to get 8.55 ml/gram. Then I multiplied that by 3.5, the average dose in grams, to get almost exactly 30ml. If a shot is 44ml then you're looking at about a 5 gram dose by my calculations. If that's wrong please tell me where, I'm just trying to make sure you don't accidentally give yourself a heroic dose. Haha.
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StygianKnight
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: bolbol]
#19554509 - 02/11/14 09:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bolbol said: if it doesnt dissolve in acetone it probably wont dissolve in isopropyl either...
Zwitterions are funny like that.
Based on a few papers the best solvents are in order, Methanol Iso Ethanol + water Slightly acidic water. Water. (While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.) All will extract the magic, they are ranked here in speed and how little non-magic they bring over.
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Re: Iso alcohol 91% extraction result [Re: StygianKnight]
#19554535 - 02/11/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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(While methanol and ISO don't seem to need water, they found extraction drops to almost 0 when pure ethanol is used, with the best ratio at around 70% ethanol to water.)
That just made my day! I've been trying to get 95% alcohol out of my still with some difficulty for tinctures, but 70% alcohol is child's play! I've got this!
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