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Joust
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Re: Psilocybe silvatica [Re: Joust]
#19513874 - 02/03/14 12:24 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: But Joust, those pics are stellar bud!! Nice job!
 These mircographs look amazing, far better than I expected I'm sorry for being a dick about you not posting any a few days ago. I can get a little irritable at times, I'm working on it.
Are you taking the pictures with you DSLR and then Photoshopping them? The resolution looks huge compared to the ones that goes in my eye piece.
What did you use to rehydrate the mushrooms in the last set of pictures, is it just water? Is that what a crush mount is supposed to look like?
I will take a video of how i do things... its way to hard to show and i have a few tricks ive developed thanks to hearing what others do....
Its difficult to work with things while the time lapse is going, its done tonight or tomorrow...
RANDOM NEWS! I have a meeting with the president of the Pacific Northwest Key Council tomorrow morning to asses my collections! woo!
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Alonso CortesPerez
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Alonso CortesPerez said: Notice how distant the stem is from the gills? All of them are like this too. I think they may be a Deconica because they smell nothing like a Psilocybe, they smell kinda like old leaves.
Hello, I would like to study this collection if you agree. I want to know if it is a Psilocybe or Deconica. Psilocybe caerulipes from Mexico, very little farinaceous smell and almost no blue stain. It is possible that it is a species of Psilocybe. Great find!
I'll absolutely send some to you, it's an honor. I think Alan gave me your address. I'll send sample out to you and Joust before the end of the weekend.  Would 5 fruit bodies be enough?
Thank you very much maynardjameskeenan for the samples. For me it is also an honor to study these collections are very interesting. I hope soon to share with you mircographs of this collection.
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Re: Psilocybe silvatica [Re: Joust] 1
#19515688 - 02/03/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Byrain said: Ah shit, I thought that was labeled pleurocystidia, I should go to bed...
Yea, your pleurocystidia images look like basidioles.
thats what i thought tooo. check this out!
heres the 2000x CHEILOcystidia  




Joust Great Work! I think it is not Psilocybe silvatica. The type of P. silvatica has cheilocystidia more similar to Those of P. caerulipes. Saludos!
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Joust
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Thanks Alonso! Thank you for the input! i was doubtful it was Psilocybe silvatica. Interested to see if you find any pleurocystidia! Good luck!
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kcrocker802
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Re: Psilocybe silvatica [Re: Joust]
#19525294 - 02/05/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I am so confused as to what this is. No one knows still?
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Alan Rockefeller
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kcrocker802 said: I am so confused as to what this is. No one knows still?
Probably a Deconica, however if there is chrysocystidia it is Hypholoma.
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maynardjameskeenan
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It looks and seems like a Deconica to me, they are by far the biggest Deconica I've ever seen in person though... Alan, do you know of a Deconica key that I can use? The only ones that come up on Google aren't very good- http://www.pnwherbaria.org/m/datasets/fungi/lists/pnw/strophariaceae.htm http://www.svims.ca/council/Stroph_I.htm
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kcrocker802
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Interesting. I wish I could afford a microscope and get into all this stuff. Gotta get back to school while I am still young and play with the scopes they have there.
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Ganzig
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If you are in school you can always use their scopes.
Schools have all sorts of equipment. Just ask.
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Re: Psilocybe silvatica [Re: Ganzig]
#19526581 - 02/05/14 04:57 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I plan on going back to school and studying at least some mycology mixed with simple bio, some ecology, and environmental education. Also, take some political theory, and philosophy while I am at it. Just getting residency in Washington for a price reduction right now.
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psylosymonreturns
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Good, i am glad we are moving away from Psilocybe on this one. I really didnt think it was P silvatica.
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maynardjameskeenan
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I think the habitat matches well for P. silvatica -"It is gregarious but not cespitose on wood debris or on wood chips or in well-decayed conifer substratum or among fallen leaves of hardwoods from the end of September until December". As does the macroscopic description -"The cap is 0.8— 2(2.5) cm broad and is obtusely conic, becoming broadly campanulate to broadly conic, often with an acute umbo. It is tawny dark brown when moist, fading to pale yellowish brown or grayish brown. It is even to striatulate when moist, smooth, hygrophanous, and viscid when moist from a thin gelatinous pellicle that is barely separable, if at all. It sometimes has a grayish-green tinge along the margin. It fades to pale buff. The gills are adnate to adnexed, close to subdistant, narrow to moderately broad, and dull grayish brown to cinnamon brown at first then smoky brown at maturity, edges remaining whitish. The spores are dark purplish brown, (6.6)8.5 — 9.5(11) x (3.8)4 — 5.5(6) µm from 4-spored basidia, which are sometimes 2-spored. The stipe is 2— 8 cm long by 1— 3 mm thick, equal to slightly enlarged at the base, tubular, and somewhat flexuous. It is pallid to brownish beneath a silky fibrillose covering. It becomes darker towards the base, partial veil poorly developed, cortinate, thin to obscure, and soon absent. It is slightly bluish-green at base. It has a farinaceous taste and odor". besides the farinaceous taste and odor and the bluing base.
the microscopy is similar too -"Microscopic features: Pleurocystidia are absent. The cheilocystidia are 24 — 34(40) x 4.4 — 6.6(8.8) µm, fusoid ventricose to lageniform, with a long flexuous neck, and are1.6 — 2.2 µm thick." The spore are close the right size, Pleurocystidia is absent, cheilocystidia are a slightly different shape.
Who knows, maybe Psilocybe silvatica is a misidentified Deconica, time will tell. I am excited to see what Alonzo comes up with, he's basically a master in the genus
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Alan Rockefeller
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maynardjameskeenan said: cheilocystidia are a slightly different shape.
Who knows, maybe Psilocybe silvatica is a misidentified Deconica, time will tell. I am excited to see what Alonzo comes up with, he's basically a master in the genus
The cheilocystidia are actually a pretty different shape. P. silvatica has cheilocystidia that are almost lanceolate.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Something like that couldn't differ between collections, Phenotypes and what-not? I know sometimes macroscopic feature are different from one another. I'm a total greenhorn when it comes to microscopy, forgive my ignorance.
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Joust
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maynardjameskeenan said: Something like that couldn't differ between collections, Phenotypes and what-not? I know sometimes macroscopic feature are different from one another. I'm a total greenhorn when it comes to microscopy, forgive my ignorance.
they are pretty different you should look at alans picture of the cheilo on... i believe it was caerulipes, should have the same type of cystidia, i think thats what Alan said.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Psilocybe silvatica [Re: Joust]
#19527656 - 02/05/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Wait so, the type collection for Psilocybe silvatica was collected in New York state and looks identical to P. caerulipes, microscopically?
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kcrocker802
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Plot twist?
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maynardjameskeenan
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Have there been confirmed (with microscopy) collections of P. silvatica in the PNW?
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kcrocker802
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Is the description of Psilocybe silvatica on wikipedia from PMOTW or is it the original. It isn't cited.
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maynardjameskeenan
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It probably can from; Guzman, G. The Genus Psilocybe: or Guzman, G., Jott, J. Boydston, S.H. Pollock. 1976 Psychotropic mycoflora of Washington, Idaho, Oregon, California and British Columbia
I'm just guessing, PMOTW doesn't list which species the "works cited" came from, it just rattles off references in no particular order alphabetically- by name of author.
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Edited by maynardjameskeenan (02/05/14 09:58 PM)
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