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Isildurrrr
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Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated.
#19511194 - 02/02/14 01:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have never cultivated mushrooms before. If someone was unable to sterilize their substrate at the same location they will be putting them into the grow box, is it okay to sterilize someone else then move the sterilized jars via a car ride to the new location for fruiting? Will the ride in the car shift around the substrate and no longer make it sterile? I am unable to sterilize where I will be fruiting and need to figure out a way to move the sterilized jars without contaminating them until i inoculate at the new location. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: Isildurrrr]
#19511218 - 02/02/14 01:57 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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if your doing grains it won't matter, pf cakes you risk shifting the verm barrier around but if you just finished sterilizing and still have the foil on go for it
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Isildurrrr said: is it okay to sterilize someone else
the only human you should strerilize is justin beiber, 90 minutes at 15 psi then trash him, not worth cloning
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: Isildurrrr]
#19511233 - 02/02/14 02:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you're pressure cooking them, just leave them in the sealed cooker and transport them that way. What methods are you using exactly? Some more info will yield better help. Cheers.
And cronicr..
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Isildurrrr
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19511285 - 02/02/14 02:08 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't have a pressure cooker so i'll be steaming them in a very large pot for several hours. Obviously ill have a tray or something in the pot so the jars dont get wet and the pot will be able to hold enough water to steam them for several hours. I heard that if you move the jars very much after sterilizing them that if the top layer of vermiculite or whatever you use on top of the substrate, if its shifts then the whole sterilization process was for nothing.
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19511294 - 02/02/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cronicr you make me laugh to much! That's why I like you.. and I found myself on every forum your on somehow.. Any who also mustard tiger that's a great name and I love the trailer park boys... Also person who posted this thread you can move them just fine in the jars.. Make shur you have some kind of filter disc or something on your lids though.. ( A big noob mistake) And more details of this would be helpful..
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19511298 - 02/02/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also someone told you wrong...
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: mycopanda]
#19511305 - 02/02/14 02:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hahaha. Cronic that was great. You should be fine op.
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: mycopanda]
#19511316 - 02/02/14 02:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycopanda said: Also someone told you wrong...
I thought that it was true actually? If the verm layer moves around it can shake contams down into the brf. Imagine what would happen if you flipped your jar lid over after you sterilized it.
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: Isildurrrr]
#19511326 - 02/02/14 02:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well you certainly don't want to disturb the dry verm layer for a few reasons: First and foremost, this is your protection from contamination. No verm layer = no protection. Secondly, in my experience, if the verm layer is tossed around it can "leak" down into the sides of your substrate jars causing it to dry out faster than it would under ideal conditions and also cause problems for the mycelium trying to make its way around the substrate.
Just sterilize them, leave the foil on top and secure them in a tight box (Maybe the box your jars came in?) and don't drive like an animal.
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19511347 - 02/02/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah you don't want it to shift after you inoculate,pre inoc with the foil on there should be no contams to shift anyway, if your still worried use micropore tape
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: cronicr]
#19511372 - 02/02/14 02:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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the only human you should strerilize is justin beiber, 90 minutes at 15 psi then trash him, not worth cloning
you heard the man!
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mycopanda
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: cronicr]
#19511404 - 02/02/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: yeah you don't want it to shift after you inoculate,pre inoc with the foil on there should be no contams to shift anyway, if your still worried use micropore tape

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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: cronicr]
#19511426 - 02/02/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: if your doing grains it won't matter, pf cakes you risk shifting the verm barrier around but if you just finished sterilizing and still have the foil on go for it
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Isildurrrr said: is it okay to sterilize someone else
the only human you should strerilize is justin beiber, 90 minutes at 15 psi then trash him, not worth cloning

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Isildurrrr
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: mycopanda]
#19511485 - 02/02/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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by filter on top of the lids do you mean like tin foil or micropore tap so no contaims get inside the sterilized jars?
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cronicr



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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: Isildurrrr]
#19511498 - 02/02/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm tired do me a favor
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PussyFart
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: Isildurrrr]
#19511499 - 02/02/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Isildurrrr said: by filter on top of the lids do you mean like tin foil or micropore tap so no contaims get inside the sterilized jars?
Tin foil is not considered a filter material as it filters nothing.
And micropore tape is the poorest choice....try tyvek or polyfill or ez felt or SFDs.
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cronicr



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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: PussyFart]
#19511525 - 02/02/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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Isildurrrr said: by filter on top of the lids do you mean like tin foil or micropore tap so no contaims get inside the sterilized jars?
Tin foil is not considered a filter material as it filters nothing.
And micropore tape is the poorest choice....try tyvek or polyfill or ez felt or SFDs.
i think he is talking about uninoc'd cakes he wants to travel with, although those are still kick ass options for cakes
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Isildurrrr
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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: cronicr]
#19511552 - 02/02/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry guys i should have been more specific with what kind of substrate i am using and methods, but the truth is i dont know yet, i just know that i will have to sterilize them at one location and move them to another.
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cronicr



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Re: Need advice on first grow. Input greatly appreciated. [Re: Isildurrrr]
#19511561 - 02/02/14 02:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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well your answer is, if its grains no sweat no matter what route you take, cakes just use micropore and remove the foil once you get there
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