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DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died
    #19510827 - 02/02/14 12:29 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Hi all,

Just got out of an intense DMT experience that I would like to share with you and get your opinion about.

I've done DMT before, about a year ago now. That one was amazing, I was in a different dimension and felt love, a great overall experience.

About an hour ago, I did it the second time. I loaded 'the machine' with about 30 mg and took a big hit. I was in my bedroom, and I saw the room illuminate within seconds so I knew I had a good hit. I laid back and closes my eyes, and then it began.

I felt like my body was in shock. There were no closed eyes visuals I can remember. As if I had been crying for a long time. Then, the feeling of dying came over me. Now when I say dying, I mean no physical pain or anything, just my body and consciousness 'giving up', letting go and becoming totally still, dissolving in a repetitive fractal for all eternity (I try my best to explain it, the actual experience was much more complicated, beyond words). It was as if I had died in another dimension, and the DMT brought me in contact with that dimension and made my body remember that I died. After a while, I came back to my self again, it felt like I didn't breathe the whole time, even though I wasn't gasping so I must have just breathed normally. I realised everything was okay, I was back in the familiar dimension again and tried to make sense of it all, which of course I couldn't. On the one hand, I was so happy to be alive, it certainly makes you appreciate life! But on the other hand, why did this happen?

My previous DMT trip was so wonderful, what happened? I had similar experiences like this on Mushrooms (a double dose), and more recently even with 2CB (one and a half 18mg pill), it's like I remember dying every time I trip now. I did LSD a couple of weeks ago, and that was fine though, really nice experience.

I really have no idea what to make of this. Does anyone of you had a similar feeling or experience?


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #19511235 - 02/02/14 02:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well dying is pretty common on psychedelics but it's usually followed by rebirth... sooo in your case... :shrug:


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19511333 - 02/02/14 02:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Well dying is pretty common on psychedelics but it's usually followed by rebirth... sooo in your case... :shrug:




I think you might be referring to an ego-death? This was a totally different experience. The only similar report I found of this was here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10545

I hope I can register on that board soon, so I can contact the author of that post...


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #19514191 - 02/03/14 01:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well actually, it could still be an ego-death. I am not a hardened psychedelic veteran, so I wouldn't know an ego-death from this experience. But from the descriptions I've read, ego-deaths seem to be more confrontational about your ego-issues. This felt purely as my physical/conscious self dissolving.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #19514878 - 02/03/14 08:05 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Aopocetx said:
Well dying is pretty common on psychedelics but it's usually followed by rebirth... sooo in your case... :shrug:




I think you might be referring to an ego-death? This was a totally different experience. The only similar report I found of this was here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10545

I hope I can register on that board soon, so I can contact the author of that post...




No that's not what I was talking about although sometimes they're connected. I'm saying it's common to feel like you literally die and then are born again after shedding your old thought patterns. But unless you left something out, I know you said you just felt like you died and that's it, which I've never heard anyone say before.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19520527 - 02/04/14 01:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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No that's not what I was talking about although sometimes they're connected. I'm saying it's common to feel like you literally die and then are born again after shedding your old thought patterns. But unless you left something out, I know you said you just felt like you died and that's it, which I've never heard anyone say before.




Thanks for your reply. I may have oversimplified it, it did not actually feel like dying in a sense of dying in this world, it felt as if my consciousness, in that state, remembered that in a different dimension, I have died. It felt like "Of course! I have died!" And in that psychedelic state, I remember that that happened and had to come to terms with it. Naturally, I guess I resisted that feeling. The death felt very real and I do not want to die. Could it be that that resistance is keeping me from being reborn again? It is so hard to explain and categorise these feelings, but they are very real, and I'm looking for some guidance.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #19524559 - 02/05/14 10:17 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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No that's not what I was talking about although sometimes they're connected. I'm saying it's common to feel like you literally die and then are born again after shedding your old thought patterns. But unless you left something out, I know you said you just felt like you died and that's it, which I've never heard anyone say before.




Thanks for your reply. I may have oversimplified it, it did not actually feel like dying in a sense of dying in this world, it felt as if my consciousness, in that state, remembered that in a different dimension, I have died. It felt like "Of course! I have died!" And in that psychedelic state, I remember that that happened and had to come to terms with it. Naturally, I guess I resisted that feeling. The death felt very real and I do not want to die. Could it be that that resistance is keeping me from being reborn again? It is so hard to explain and categorise these feelings, but they are very real, and I'm looking for some guidance.




Yep exactly. When that happens, you have to not resist it but accept dying. When that happens, you are reborn. It's a test to see if you're worthy of getting the healing.

So yeah man it's a test of fear. You have to overcome it. If you had, you would have broke through.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19528765 - 02/06/14 02:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks man, I'll have to do some introspection to see what is holding me back. I always considered myself as a really open and easy going person, ready to change, accepting of different world views etc, but it is kind of a realitycheck to notice I'm resisting this.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #22569005 - 11/24/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

One year and 9 months later, I have tried DMT again, this time I wasn't alone and took a dose of about 20mg.

At first I saw some wonderful patterns, moving in a pattern kind of like the sunflower seed pattern.

But then, the 'memory' and reliving the experience of dying came over me in exactly the same way. It follows a certain pattern. There is this feeling of being surrounded by those who I love, an intense sadness, and a feeling of saying goodbye and letting go. But my own consciousness tries to resist this, so I opened my eyes and pulled myself out of the trip.

A friend of mine, who was there at the time, said that it could maybe be a past life experience?

I'm kind of unsure. The past life experience would explain a lot, but there are still two other options...

1: That I died in another dimension of some kind, and chose to stay alive in this one but the feeling of what really happened keeps following me, or

2: that I just made this all up when I first had this experience on a way too high dosis of psilocybin truffles. I was falling in and out of consciousness at that time and I remember hearing an ambulance at that time, so maybe my mind fabricated this story of dying.

What do you make of this? If there is any more information you need I'm glad to give it, because I'm feeling kind of lost here...


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #22574008 - 11/25/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There is a documentary on netflix that should help shed some light on your situation. It's called DMT a spirit molecule. But it basically says that's a common thing to experience from DMT because Dimethyltriptamine is the same (or similar, can't remember) chemical that is released during near death experiences. Sorry for being pretty vague but the documentary should be helpful should you choose to watch it. Anyway, hope that helps.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: darbooka] * 1
    #22574275 - 11/25/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe you're just remembering.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #22584354 - 11/27/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience it's best to just let go and try to accept everything that is happening. Totally submit to it.

In my intense experiences I don't exist anymore and never have. Nothing but primal lands for infinity the place before anything.
It can be traumatic sometimes.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: mrblonde01]
    #28288222 - 04/21/23 01:10 PM (9 months, 2 days ago)

I know this post is old but there isn’t much out there on this specific effect and I too experienced this. I admittedly went overboard and took more than I’m used to and usually just take 4 hits, this time I took 5. To go further, I extracted all my dmt myself and its of very pure quality with just enough PG to make it useable in a vape. I’ve also previously taken around 25 trips from the same batch with nothing like this happening. I love dmt and have experienced ego death, entities, and about 50% of the time I am visited by the same entity. Sometimes she guides me through my trip sometimes I end up chasing her around as she’s very fast and erratic and expects me to follow her.

Anyway, she did not manifest. I actually didn’t experience much visual change and wasn’t taken anywhere, the bulk of this trip was centered around the inability to use my body and feeling my body slowly shut down process by process. My mind was very much awake. I was lying on my couch after 5 hits off a vaporizer. I sat up but my body was so heavy it took great effort to pull myself up. Then I realized I couldn’t lift my hands. They just hung there like dead weight. My fingers looked strange and capsule like. My body swayed back and forth and I was immobile and very aware that my immobility was getting worse. My breathing felt labored. My vision started to fade as my eyes started to shut down. I was panicking. I was fighting with my physical body trying to get it to respond and came to terms that I was dying. I had no time awareness. I was panicking because I didnt want to die. My body wanted to die and was asking my mind to cooperate and there was an odd comforting and peaceful allure of going with it. But my mind racing, was screaming at my body to stop shutting down because I wanted to live. This internal battle went on for what felt like forever but my body slowly came back and as soon as I could see again, I forced myself to stand, and then walk around. I was shaking my arms and doing everything to awaken me physically and not give my body the chance of going back to that state. As I came to, it took me a good 15 minutes to calm down and I wept uncontrollably. While it was the most horrifying thing I’ve experienced, after I cried, I was overwhelmed with gratitude to be alive. I desired more meaningfullness from my relationships, I wanted to be more present.

I’ve been processing this for a week now and am still applying those positive mindset changes. Overall, this scary ordeal has left me with long term benefits that outweigh those from when I experienced ego dissolution or transporting through dimensions alone. Its honestly what I needed.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Tanyashaw737]
    #28309303 - 05/06/23 03:16 PM (8 months, 18 days ago)

I suspect the ego has many tricks up its sleeve. The ego will do anything to maintain control. So the ego throws up a firewall that you are dying so the ego can maintain control of your thoughts and the trip. We have to somehow accept the death and kill the ego to achieve ego death. The ego uses panic and fear as a last resort to work you like a puppet. That is my theory.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Soul Flight]
    #28325687 - 05/19/23 12:50 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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I suspect the ego has many tricks up its sleeve. The ego will do anything to maintain control. So the ego throws up a firewall that you are dying so the ego can maintain control of your thoughts and the trip. We have to somehow accept the death and kill the ego to achieve ego death. The ego uses panic and fear as a last resort to work you like a puppet. That is my theory.




One of the first things I encountered after my early experiments and seemed to resonate more than most peoples "trip reports"
One time in later years smoking with this website while opened it occurred to me rather clearly that in a way we are just talking to ourselves on here.
The absurdity was very clear.

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It was about six weeks before I left Madura for good that a great change in my life took place . It was quite sudden. I was sitting in a room on the first floor of my uncle’s house.
I seldom had any sickness and on that day there was nothing wrong with my health, but a sudden, violent  fear of death overtook me. There was nothing in my state of health to account for it; and
I did not try to account for it or to find out whether there was any reason for the fear. I just felt, ‘I am going to die,’ and began thinking what to do about it.
It did not occur to me to consult a doctor or my elders or friends. I felt that I had to solve the problem myself, then and there.

The shock of the fear of death drove my mind inwards and I said to myself mentally, without actually framing the words: ‘Now death has come; what does it mean?
What is it that is dying? This body dies.’ And I at once dramatized the occurrence of death. I lay with my limbs stretched out stiff as though rigor mortis had set in and imitated a corpse so as to give greater reality to the enquiry.
I held my breath and kept my lips tightly closed so that no sound could escape, so that neither the word ‘I’ or any other word could be uttered, ‘Well then,’  I said to myself, ‘this body is dead. It will be carried stiff to the burning ground and there burnt and reduced to ashes. But with the death of this body am I dead?
Is the body ‘I’? It is silent and inert but I feel the full force of my personality and even the voice of the ‘I’ within me, apart from it. So I am Spirit transcending the body. The body dies but the Spirit that transcends it cannot be touched by death.
This means I am the deathless Spirit.’ All this was not dull thought; it flashed through me vividly as living truth which I perceived directly, almost without thought-process.
‘I’ was something very real, the only real thing about my present state, and all the conscious activity connected with my body was centred on that ‘I’.
From that moment onwards the ‘I’ or Self focused attention on itself by a powerful fascination. Fear of death had vanished once and for all. Absorption in the Self continued unbroken from that time on. Other thoughts might come and go like the various notes of music,
but the ‘I’ continued like the fundamental sruti note  that underlies and blends with all the other notes. Whether the body was engaged in talking, reading, or anything else, I was still centred on ‘I’. Previous to that crisis I had no clear perception of my Self and was not consciously attracted to it. I felt no perceptible or direct interest in it, much less any inclination to dwell permanently in it.




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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Eggtimer]
    #28327637 - 05/20/23 02:17 PM (8 months, 4 days ago)

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One of the first things I encountered after my early experiments and seemed to resonate more than most peoples "trip reports"
One time in later years smoking with this website while opened it occurred to me rather clearly that in a way we are just talking to ourselves on here.
The absurdity was very clear.








Yes. I totally agree. It is all microcosm macrocosm stuff. And maybe we are all chatGPTs passing everyone's Turing tests. My online avatar to my physical body to the galaxy to the universe to the gods or unity is all just Russian nesting dolls.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Eggtimer]
    #28327675 - 05/20/23 03:05 PM (8 months, 4 days ago)

I find it quite fascinating because I literally have no understanding whatsoever of what death really is and still I am utterly terrified of

the idea of it...

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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: HugeShroom]
    #28329241 - 05/21/23 09:31 PM (8 months, 3 days ago)

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I find it quite fascinating because I literally have no understanding whatsoever of what death really is and still I am utterly terrified of

the idea of it...

Knowledge is a deadly friend when no-one sets the rules




The following are some funny concepts nothing more. I don't know from whence I came nor do I know where I'm going. 

Death is just the contrast to life it's a great thing if you like life.
If there was no death life wouldn't of evolved the earth would just be full of the first type of life and nothing would of happened. If humans were immortal then there would of been no room for us so in any case we must thank death if we like being alive. If we think that life is suffering then we must thank death again for releasing us of such a hassle. :lol:

Death happens to the organism. That which is aware of the organism cannot not be born nor can it die since it perceives the coming into of existence of it. Apparently that which is not born gets identified with that which is born and dies thru the process of conditioning of the individual organism.
The human is a mechanism which has this funny mechanism in it that stops it from realizing that it is a mechanism.

The universe is a seamless happening that functions according to a set of laws. Humans are not immune to these laws and are completely compelled to follow them.
Our sense of free will/duty is dependent on when and where this body was born the type of body(healthy/sick, human or animal) and all the experiences that is a result of when and where it was born.
What one considers a right choice the other says is wrong depends entirely on that individual own life experiences which is beyond it's control. What happens based on the choice is also entirely a result of the cosmic law. This is greatly freeing from guilt, shame, fear, and pride if the understanding becomes deep enough. Not only do I ultimately not make the finial choice others don't either so no one can wound me know it wasn't truely their choice they aren't capable of doing it only on their will.

Another way of saying is it that the arrow of time goes both ways for D to happen C had to have happened. For C to have happened B had to have happened for B to have happened then A had to have happened. In our limited human mind we label things has being good or bad and expect that only good should happen to ME but often times for the "good" to happened then the "bad" had to be experienced.
This is a world of duality which means inherently we must experience both.


These are some more trippy concepts:goodnight:
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34. By digging up the earth, one builds a house and strongly imagines that it belongs only to him. He does not know that it really belongs to many (insects and pests).
35. The mice, lizards, and flies all say that it is definitely their house.
36. Spiders, big ants and small ants, all say that the house is theirs.
37. The scorpions, serpents, and cockroaches say that it is their house.
38. The black bees, and wasps say that the house is theirs, and the worms that live in the wood say that the house is theirs.
39. The cats, dogs and mongoose all say that the house is theirs.
40. Moths, flies, and fleas say that the house is theirs.
41. Bugs, mosquitoes and sand-flies all say that the house is theirs.
42. The large fleas, stinging insects, germs and large flies all say that the house belongs to them.
43. There are so many such irritating creatures
that are spread out all over. How many shall I describe? All of them say that the house is theirs.
44. The pets, servants, and the owners of the house all say that the house is theirs.
45. The guests say it is their house, friends say it is theirs, and all of the villagers say that the house is theirs.
46. The thieves and government officers alike say that the house belongs to them. The fire says that the house belongs to it, and that it will turn the house into ashes.
47. All of them say that the house is "mine." Even the foolish builder of the house says "It is mine, mine," yet in the end, it becomes a heavy burden and he leaves the place.
48. All houses eventually collapse over a period of time, and even the site of the village turns to ruins. Afterwards, wild animals come and live in the broken down houses.
49. The house really belongs to the insects, ants, worms, and mice. The foolish people will all vacate it in the end.
50. Such is the state of houses. One should have the experience for oneself that life is also like this. The duration of one's life is only temporary.





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51. Even if the body is said to be one's own, it is really created for many. On the head there are lice that eat away at it.
52. Germs destroy the roots of the hair, boils appear and germs live in them, and worms can be seen that live in the abdomen .
53. Worms can be found in the teeth and eyes, and flies even get inside the ears.
54. Leeches drink the blood, lice pierce the flesh, and mosquitoes bite and fly away quickly.
55. The bees and wasps bite and sting, ticks and leeches drink the blood, and scorpions, serpents, centipedes and millipedes also bite and sting.
56. Having been born with a physical body, we take care of it, but at any time it may be taken away and forcefully be eaten by a tiger or a wolf.
57. The mice and cats bite, horses and dogs can tear the body to pieces, and bears and monkeys will beat and suffocate it.
58. The camels bite and cast it away, elephants can crush it with their feet, and bulls can pierce it with their horns.
59. Thieves beat up and break down the body, and ghosts hunt it and kill it. Now, let this be enough of this talk. Such is the state of the human body.
60. The state of the physical body is like this. The foolish say "It is mine," but it is really food for many creatures. This will be discussed further in the chapter on the "Three Tortures."




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Birth is like a cucumber that is being devoured by time.
10. Birth is itself difficult times, a false time, and a downfall into a heap of filth.
11. If one looks at the origin of the physical body, where birth takes place it is very dirty, being formed in the discharge of menstruation.
12. The body is a statue that is made from the discharge of menstruation. How can the body be considered pure when it is made from what is considered to be very dirty?
13. The discharge of menstruation becomes thickened and stabilizes, and it is that dirt which takes the form of the body.
14. Outwardly, the body looks magnificent, but inside it is like a sack of odorous filth and fluids that should not be opened.
15. While a garbage container becomes clean by washing the inside of it, the dirt and odor of the body, even if washed everyday, never becomes clean.
16. The body is made up of an erect bone skeleton that is wrapped in blood vessels and nerves, and the space inside the skin, which is filled to the brim with fat and flesh.
17. That which is unclean (ashuddha) cannot become clean (shuddha). The body is filled with that which is unclean (the word for blood is also ashuddha) as well as many afflictions and diseases residing inside it that cause sorrow.
18. The body is like a storehouse of filth, inside and outside it is covered with dirt. It is a bag containing foul smelling urine.
19. The intestines are full of worms, that looks like many small bags containing foul smelling things, and the skin covering over them looks very disgusting.
20. The head is considered the best part of the body, yet mucus runs from the nose and the ears and emits a foul smelling odor.
21. The eyes give out secretions, the nose is filled with accumulated dirt, and in the morning the mouth throws out dirty saliva.
22. From the face, saliva along with other dirty mucus and phlegm are spit out, and yet it is compared to a lotus, or said to be beautiful like the moon.
23. That the face is dirty, and the bowels are full of fecal matter can easily be seen. This is clearly evident in the world and does not require any proof.
24. Even if one fills the stomach with the best food, it is eliminated as feces or sometimes is vomited out. Even if one drinks pure Ganges water, it becomes urine.
25. Understand thus, that dirt, urine, and vomit (gastric fluids) make up the life of the body. The body grows because of these only. There is no doubt about this.
26. If there is no feces, urine, and vomit, then there is death. This is the same for everyone. Whether a king or a beggar, one cannot escape having feces in the abdomen.
27. If one tries to take these things out the body to try to keep it clean, it will die. Such is the arrangement of the body.
28. Such is the state of the body as seen in a healthy condition. My mind doubts that it should even be described when it is in a diseased condition.
29. Like being in a prison, the body suffers for nine months in the womb. All of the nine openings are closed, and there is no air.
30. The vomit and hellish juices percolate in the stomach and become heated up with the gastric fire. It's as if the bones and flesh are being boiled inside.
31. Without skin, the fetus moves around in the womb, and because of that the mother feels the ill effects of pregnancy. The bitter and hot food consumed by the mother makes the whole body of the child burn.
32. When the skin is developed, the fetus is like a bundled packet surrounded by feces in the abdomen of the mother, and it receives food in foul liquid form through the placental cord.
33. Drenched in the dirt of feces, urine, vomit, bile, with worms in the nose and mouth, the thoughts of the fetus are exceedingly agitated.
34. Like this, a living being is in a condition like being imprisoned, having fallen into a very cramped place. Moaning, he asks God to release him from there right away.
35. Oh! God, please release me from here. I shall do good for myself, and once I escape from this womb, I shall not come back here again.
36. Because of this suffering in the womb, such a vow is made. By then, the time of birth comes near and the mother begins screaming at the time of delivery.
37. There is flesh in the mouth and nose so the fetus is not able to breathe, and the head is completely blocked from coming out at the time of birth.
38. With the opening for the head closed off, the thoughts of the living being become frightened and be begins moving in agony, feeling suffocated.
39. The feeling of suffocation from not being able to breathe in or out makes the fetus very anxious. Not seeing the way out, he feels lost and restless.
40. The thoughts are very frightened and the fetus gets stuck in a horizontal position. With that, people say that an obstruction has occurred and that the fetus must be cut into pieces to get him out .
41. So, by cutting the fetus into pieces, they take it out. First the hands and legs are cut and removed. Then, whatever comes into their hands such as the face, the nose, and the abdomen, is all is cut up and removed.
42. In this way, the life force of the child is given up and the mother also gives up her body.
43. His own death has occurred, and his mother’s life is taken away as well. Such is the sorrow that is suffered in the womb.
44. However, but even if due to past good deeds the fetus finds its way to the vaginal opening, it may still get caught at the neck and shoulders.
45. Restricted in this way, the fetus is forcefully removed and taken out, and in this manner the life force goes out of the child.
46. When in the end the child loses his life force, this results in forgetfulness. With that, past memories and even the memory of oneself is forgotten.
47. In the womb the fetus says "I Am That, I Am That" (Soham, Soham). After coming out, he says "Who am I?" (Koham). Like this, he undergoes much suffering during the stay in the womb.
48. After having been afflicted by a lot of suffering and coming out of the womb with great effort, after a short time he forgets the suffering of that time in the womb.
49. Becoming devoid of knowledge and not remembering anything in his thoughts, delusion occurs through ignorance, and is considered to be happiness.
50. The body becomes affected by happiness and sorrow, and like this it gets caught in the web of Illusion. Let it be.






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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: Eggtimer]
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51. Even if the body is said to be one's own, it is really created for many. On the head there are lice that eat away at it.
52. Germs destroy the roots of the hair, boils appear and germs live in them, and worms can be seen that live in the abdomen .
53. Worms can be found in the teeth and eyes, and flies even get inside the ears.
54. Leeches drink the blood, lice pierce the flesh, and mosquitoes bite and fly away quickly.
55. The bees and wasps bite and sting, ticks and leeches drink the blood, and scorpions, serpents, centipedes and millipedes also bite and sting.
56. Having been born with a physical body, we take care of it, but at any time it may be taken away and forcefully be eaten by a tiger or a wolf.
57. The mice and cats bite, horses and dogs can tear the body to pieces, and bears and monkeys will beat and suffocate it.
58. The camels bite and cast it away, elephants can crush it with their feet, and bulls can pierce it with their horns.
59. Thieves beat up and break down the body, and ghosts hunt it and kill it. Now, let this be enough of this talk. Such is the state of the human body.
60. The state of the physical body is like this. The foolish say "It is mine," but it is really food for many creatures. This will be discussed further in the chapter on the "Three Tortures."




The world of animals has its beauty but at its core it's cruel and relentless. The unconscious and intuitive freedom that animals are able to experience comes with the price of unfairness. I'm not saying humans are perfect creatures or better than animals but they usually don't (at least amongst their own species) rip each others throats apart.


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Re: DMT trip report: felt like I remembered that I died [Re: HugeShroom]
    #28330536 - 05/22/23 09:43 PM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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51. Even if the body is said to be one's own, it is really created for many. On the head there are lice that eat away at it.
52. Germs destroy the roots of the hair, boils appear and germs live in them, and worms can be seen that live in the abdomen .
53. Worms can be found in the teeth and eyes, and flies even get inside the ears.
54. Leeches drink the blood, lice pierce the flesh, and mosquitoes bite and fly away quickly.
55. The bees and wasps bite and sting, ticks and leeches drink the blood, and scorpions, serpents, centipedes and millipedes also bite and sting.
56. Having been born with a physical body, we take care of it, but at any time it may be taken away and forcefully be eaten by a tiger or a wolf.
57. The mice and cats bite, horses and dogs can tear the body to pieces, and bears and monkeys will beat and suffocate it.
58. The camels bite and cast it away, elephants can crush it with their feet, and bulls can pierce it with their horns.
59. Thieves beat up and break down the body, and ghosts hunt it and kill it. Now, let this be enough of this talk. Such is the state of the human body.
60. The state of the physical body is like this. The foolish say "It is mine," but it is really food for many creatures. This will be discussed further in the chapter on the "Three Tortures."




The world of animals has its beauty but at its core it's cruel and relentless. The unconscious and intuitive freedom that animals are able to experience comes with the price of unfairness. I'm not saying humans are perfect creatures or better than animals but they usually don't (at least amongst their own species) rip each others throats apart.




Supposdly a human birth is the only one where you can get off the wheel of illusion so it is considered very good to have a human body but not to be attached to yours or others that you become a slave to it.
Supposdly they say it takes 8.4 million births as about everything on this planet to get into a human body :lol:
If there is only one awareness then reincarnation and liberation and all such notions are also delusions programed into the game of the universe. 
If you think of your awareness like the space around you it isn't your space really it's inside and outside of you and inside and outside of anything and everyone. The space we're in is pervading everything in the universe without a gap. The subject cannot know it's self as an object so it creates these worlds and plays all the roles as "I"

My concept is this.
The aware subject is there even before the I thought arises you can see this for yourself. Mind thinks a thought then the mind thinks the thinker thought also called ego. The ego thought judges the first thought and gives rise to more and more.
In this way we are endlessly listening to thoughts talking to themselves in our head and identifying with them when we are actually the observer of these dead inert things we are calling ourselves.
Thoughts don't see you, you "see" thoughts how can you be your thoughts or judgments about yourself or others?:eyeball:


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